Lunacy in the Pacific: Mogami vs. Oleg

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RE: China early in War.

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ORIGINAL: TokyoBoyTensai

ORIGINAL: Mogami

All you have to keep in mind when playing against me is that no matter how quiet the game or how bad my position is.......I am looking to hurt you.

Not planning on getting married are you Mog?

Are you offering? [:D]
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RE: China early in War.

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ORIGINAL: Nomad

ORIGINAL: TokyoBoyTensai

ORIGINAL: Mogami

All you have to keep in mind when playing against me is that no matter how quiet the game or how bad my position is.......I am looking to hurt you.

Not planning on getting married are you Mog?

Are you offering? [:D]

Is he showing signs of interest?


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RE: China early in War.

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KB + AP TF spotted near Fiji, I think he's preparing to invade. Good thing I have 5 Marine + 3 Soviet Guards divisions behind level 12 fort on that island.

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Day Air attack on Suva , at 86,114

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
D3A Val x 24
B5N Kate x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
B5N Kate: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Coast Farmer, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AP Republic, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
17 x B5N Kate bombing at 10000 feet

I took Tatung in China since it was empty (no I didn't learn anything from recent setbacks)

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Ground combat at Tatung

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3126 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 46 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied forces CAPTURE Tatung base !!!




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RE: China early in War.

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9th Feb, he bombarded Rabaul for the first time:

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Naval bombardment of Rabaul, at 61,88


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Catalina I: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
DD Arare
DD Yamagumo
DD Tanikaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Urakaze
CL Kuma
CL Abukuma
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Ashigara
CA Nachi


Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 28
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 3

Attacked Manila again, and failed, with heavy casualties:

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 259710 troops, 2765 guns, 305 vehicles

Defending force 84795 troops, 865 guns, 217 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 5)


Japanese ground losses:
16872 casualties reported
Guns lost 300
Vehicles lost 38

Allied ground losses:
850 casualties reported
Guns lost 34


This is very good news for me. In his previous attack he got 1:1 and actually reduced fort level by 1 so I expected he'd have easier job now. Don'tknow what happened - I didn't change any commanders, and even if I did manage to sneak some supply in, general supply level cannot be better than at the time of his previous attack.

Anyway, it'll take him a week or so to prepare another round of attacks, so Manila heroes buy more time for... for who exactly?

I believed Luzon IJA troops are earmarked to attack Russians once they finish their job on Luzon but I guess that won't be the case. Does Mog plan to use them in China?? That would mean overwhelming force vs Chinese.... Anyway, every day Manila holds longer, someone gets more time to prepare.

O.

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RE: China early in War.

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11th Feb 42.

Well Mog may have postponed the attack on USSR but he hasn't written it off completely cause I still see messages like this:

1st Mixed Brigade is planning for an attack on Uglahamensk.

Whole theatre is generally quiet in these last couple days. Seems like his attack on Fiji was just KB raid, not an actual invasion. In that case it wasn't much of a success, as he sunk 3-4 APs. I was stupid enough to panic, and some of those APs took parts of small unit with them, and this whole unit is as good as lost - needlessly, because he didn't even invade. That's what panic will do to you.

BTW I just realised how few APs Allies get overall. Nearly 90% of merchant totals are AKs. Actually it may easily be IJN has more APs than Allies in the game (even though Allies have mountainloads of AKs). Was it really like that?

I remember some hardcore CHS guys proposing that only APs may be used to transport troops. That change would make life for Allies REALLY hard. I guess in real war troops were transported in ships rated AK in the game?

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RE: China early in War.

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Again, those threatening messages...

5th Army is planning for an attack on Khomsomalsk.

Please, make it go away... (or at least spell KhomsomOlsk right [;)] )

Anyhow... I still haven't decided what to think of Mog's Russian plans. I am not even sure what would I like him to do. If he attacks Russia and fails, the game may be over right then and there. If he succeeds, I see his most evil plans materializing... even though I always say he can win AV with just some luck and no crazy plans at all.

This turn he attacked Singapore from air for the first time (minor attack). In PI, he switched from bombing Manila port to ground attacks, targetting units individually.

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RE: China early in War.

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I love turns as uneventful as this (this is complete combatreplay.txt):

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/16/42

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Sub attack at 131,56

Japanese Ships
SS I-20

Allied Ships
AK Ohioan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Lamson
DD Maury


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3834 troops, 129 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 80843 troops, 778 guns, 212 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
126 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


Advice request!

What is the worst class of Brit DDs to withdraw back to England as requested?

O.
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RE: China early in War.

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Advice request!

What is the worst class of Brit DDs to withdraw back to England as requested?

I am not at my game, but i try to withdraw those with 2 ASW ratings. There are not that many, though. The game will suck EVERY Brit DD out from withdrawals, and at some point you have to "Just Say NO" - either voluntarily (you need the DDs) or involuntarily (you no longer have any DDs). Best just to bite the bullet early as possible, and pay the 600 PP penalty (300 per DD).
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RE: China early in War.

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Okay...

We have some huge fights in China - he pushed Chinese out of Homan:

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Ground combat at Homan

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 449306 troops, 5504 guns, 66 vehicles

Defending force 104493 troops, 699 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Homan base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
15228 casualties reported
Guns lost 385
Vehicles lost 10

Allied ground losses:
4917 casualties reported
Guns lost 117


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!


I wonder what can stop this enormous 450k land army? In most games it is KB that's nicknamed "Death Star" but here we have land Death Star, while KB sunk minimal number of ships so far.

I tried submarine invasion at Tjilatjap:

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Ground combat at Tjilitjap

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 77 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 1364 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)



Allied ground losses:
48 casualties reported

I feel I have to explain this: I HATE submarine invasions, they are strictly prohibited in my "serious" games. I will not do sub invasions even in this "no rules" game (at least not on a regular basis [:D]) Why I tried this stunt in Tjilatjap is because couple Dutch ships are scheduled to appear there, and they can't since Japs occupied the base. Idea was to have Tjilatjap for one turn, get the ships to appear there, and get away. Obviously this didn't work....

OK, back to discussing China and overall strategy....

I won't complain if Mog wins this game. In fact part of me would want to see him win, as in most of my other games I play as Jap and it would be encouraging to see firsthand that Japs can actually win in WITP.

But to see him win by crushing China and Russia would in my opinion be sad.... I think everyone will agree land war is not the best and most enjoyable part of WITP. To see best Jap player strategies revolve around crushing continental powers would not be encouraging for the future of this game IMHO [:(]

He started some minor invasions in Solomons area, so far he took Green Island and Kavieng.

He placed KB (or most of it anyway) near Noumea. I guess his idea is to stop me from reinforcing Solomons using KB (since most of his strongest land units are occupied in China and Manila). That is valid idea. So he puts KB as blocking force and takes Solomons with minor forces - he's welcome to it, we'll see how it goes....

So, we have Chinese and Manila guys buying time for everyone else.....

O.


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RE: China early in War.

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22nd Feb. Big aerial fight over Chinese capital.

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 134
G3M Nell x 27
G4M1 Betty x 81

Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 51
P-40E Warhawk x 6
I-153c x 16
I-16c x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 44 destroyed, 5 damaged
G3M Nell: 2 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 37 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 6 destroyed
I-153c: 9 destroyed
I-16c: 26 destroyed
C-47 Dakota: 3 destroyed
LB-30 Liberator: 2 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
8 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
13 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
14 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
14 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
5 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet


Yes that was AVG defending. I think this exchange is favorable for me. Attack on Chungking is part of his central-northern offensive in China - I will describe it in more detail once situation there stabilises.

KB continues its aimless wandering between Noumea, Fiji and Pago Pago (or whatever). It appears as if he has KB + one SC TF + AP TF there. It appears as if he can't decide what to invade with his APs? That's not typical Mogami, so I guess I am wrong, but that's how it looks - three TFs strolling left and right, surely he knows I see him, so he can't surprise me.

O.
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RE: China early in War.

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In previous turn he attacked Chunking, disturbing Mr. Chang-Kai in his sleep, so he had to be punished:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/23/42

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Day Air attack on Wuhan , at 48,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 39

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 11
Wellington III x 15
B-17E Fortress x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 5 destroyed, 17 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 14 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 4 damaged
Wellington III: 12 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 18 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 31

BTW for weather fanatics (you know who you are [:D]) both strikes were launched during thunderstorms.

O.
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RE: China early in War.

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Aerial fights over China continue, I'll post the complete combatreport.txt for the first time:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/24/42

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TF 6 troops unloading over beach at Shortlands, 63,93


Japanese ground losses:
83 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Wuhan , at 48,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 29

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 3
Blenheim IV x 15
P-40B Tomahawk x 7
B-25C Mitchell x 12
LB-30 Liberator x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 5 destroyed, 13 damaged
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 3 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 9 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 16 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
8 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
7 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wuhan , at 48,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 14

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 10
Wellington III x 10
B-17E Fortress x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
Wellington III: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wuchow , at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 8
Ki-32 Mary x 31
Ki-51 Sonia x 48

Allied aircraft
I-16c x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 damaged
Ki-32 Mary: 5 destroyed, 8 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 9 destroyed, 22 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-16c: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
SB-2c: 3 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 48

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
18 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
26 x Ki-32 Mary bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wuchow , at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 27

Allied aircraft
I-16c x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
I-16c: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed
SB-2c: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wuchow , at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 61
G3M Nell x 39
G4M1 Betty x 39

Allied aircraft
I-16c x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
G3M Nell: 6 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-16c: 16 destroyed
Wellington III: 1 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
9 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
9 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
C5M Babs x 3
Ki-21 Sally x 13
Ki-49 Helen x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
92 casualties reported

Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 31st PA Division, at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
C5M Babs x 1
Ki-21 Sally x 8
Ki-48 Lily x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st PA Division, at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
C5M Babs x 1
Ki-21 Sally x 6
Ki-48 Lily x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 51st PA Division, at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
C5M Babs x 1
Ki-21 Sally x 9
Ki-48 Lily x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet

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Ground combat at Sian

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 153490 troops, 1893 guns, 22 vehicles

Defending force 5636 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese assault odds: 1352 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Sian base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
89 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1057 casualties reported
Guns lost 13


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6394 troops, 227 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 75685 troops, 682 guns, 201 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
134 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Singapore

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 28241 troops, 219 guns, 132 vehicles

Defending force 24578 troops, 178 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 7)


Japanese ground losses:
3622 casualties reported
Guns lost 100
Vehicles lost 7

Allied ground losses:
215 casualties reported
Guns lost 8


All in all he lost 55 aircraft this turn, I lost 53. (In previous turn he lost 45 me 3.) Considering we're still in Feb 42 (I'd love that these fight happened couple days later with lower Zero bonus), and considering by far the majority of my losses are Chinese fighters, I think this is very favorable exchange for me.

Loss ratio in aircraft went below 2:1 for the first time, so I hope I am slowly on my way to 1:1...

In China he pushed me out of Xian. North China is a mess.

First I lost Hsinyang because I was stupid and greedy and Mogami was smart and patient.

Then I lost Homan because I was stupid again, because Mog is Darth Vader of land combat, and because he concentrated half a million troops with combined AV of 14.000-some.

Finally I lost Xian because I evacuated the place and it was untenable.

Now he's free to proceed to Chungking, the very capital of China, but I have enough troops there, it's urban hex, giving me enormous defensive benefits, and frankly I don't think he stands a chance of taking it. Also my troops destroyed some time ago in Hsinyang are soon scheduled to be rebuilt (in 10 days).

I think he'll stop at Sian, as I see big part of his enormous army actualy march back towards east. What next for these guys? Changsha, North China, or perhaps Russia (I doubt it though). He's free to try any of those...

O.
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RE: China early in War.

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After one quiet turn because of thunderstorms, air war over China continues. This turn I lost 41 ac. he lost 23. Majority of my losses were British Blenheims, well who cares, as soon as I will be able I'll upgrade them to better aircraft anyway.

It's good to know that, somehow, Canadians and Australians can upgrade, while their English masters still fly obsolete aircraft. Canadians show their gratitude though, by using their Wellingtons in Chinese bombing campaign (fine aircraft, Wellington).

In other news, he attacked Manila again, reducing fort level yet more, paying with lots of casualties. It will, again, take him some days or weeks to recover, and attack again. Hey Manila does great job by drawing so many Japanese troops, but it can't go on forever. I may try to sneak a Marine division or two there though...

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 335335 troops, 3255 guns, 491 vehicles

Defending force 74497 troops, 650 guns, 199 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 4


Japanese ground losses:
12753 casualties reported
Guns lost 261
Vehicles lost 26

Allied ground losses:
2318 casualties reported
Guns lost 72
Vehicles lost 3


One of these days I plan to post more detailed update re China, to explain in a bit more detail all the stupid things I've done there (and also how many Jap troops are drawn to this theatre, allowing others to prepare better)
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RE: China early in War.

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This last turn we had 63:33 in aircraft losses, in his favor.

Well, it could be argued that anything less than 4:1 is bad for IJN player who aims for AV, but I am not too happy about 2:1 either. It's the last day of February, he'll lose another point of Zero advantage tomorrow, we'll enter March with me still holding Manila (albeit barely), Singapore, whole of Burma, Wake, Midway, Lunga, Rabaul, Noumea, whole India and Soviet Union, Hawaii... some of those places are empty and Mog is free to take them, some are defended by token forces, some will be defended to the death.

Soviet airforce, especially istrebitennyi (fighter) divisions look pretty formidable by now. Production allowed me to upgrade some Polikarpov fighter units to Migs, Yaks and LaGGs, thus returning enough Polikarpovs back to pool to fill remaining Poli units with them. I also upgraded some SB-2 bomber units to much better Petljakov 2 bombers. I got couple new "polks" (air regiments) and one Il-2 Sturmovik unit too. Fort leves and prep points for Soviets rise daily.... prospect of attacking SU looks dimmer and dimmer by the day, but I still get occasional intel messages informing me some of his units prepare to attack targets in USSR. Maybe he still plans to attack (I think he's too late by now), maybe those units belong to KA and have nothing better to do but to prepare to attack SU anyway.

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RE: China early in War.

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Just watch your British pilot pool Oleg you really dont want low xp pilots in your Spitfire Sqns if he ends up going for India.

Managing your British pool is a real pain at times as you only get 30 a month airframes are easy pilots are not in most games where India/Burma is active I run very short of pilots.

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Thanks for the tip. Playing the allies I am so used to have abundance of everything by now, I rarely check to see if I actually lack something...

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RE: China early in War.

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It says for March I have to withdraw 1 CV + 2 DDs to England...... whoever said I'll soon be left without UK DDs was right. What about CV - I assume I may keep the airgroups and withdraw the ship??

Can I withdraw Hermes CVL or it has to be CV?

Thanks in advance.

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It says for March I have to withdraw 1 CV + 2 DDs to England...... whoever said I'll soon be left without UK DDs was right. What about CV - I assume I may keep the airgroups and withdraw the ship??

Can I withdraw Hermes CVL or it has to be CV?

Thanks in advance.

O.

No - pretty sure when it says CV, it means CV and not CVL. However, i've not tried the experiment. You COULD try it, but i ***REALLY*** doubt if it would work.

As for the airgroups, i think your assumption is right - they can stay (but again, i've never tried it).
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Last month in China

Post by Oleg Mastruko »

OK, here's the summary of what happened in China in recent weeks.

Phase 1 (yellow)

1. He left Hsinyang weakly defended, I got greedy, marched from Ichang and captured it (late January I think) I wanted to defend it, reinforced the city with couple units, for 8-9 units total.

2. He forms enormous infantry force near Homan crossroads, marches them to Hsinyang, simoultaneously sending tank unit behind Hsinyang back.

3. He does the same in Wuhan and Chengting, but his plans fail there because I escape or fight my way out on time.

4. My relatively stong force Y marches from Homan, trying to relieve Hsinyang. They are too late and too weak. He destroys Hsinyang defenders.

5. Still not realising enormous size of his force, and thinking Ichang is next after Hsinyang fell, I actually try to reinforce Ichang with pitiful force of 3-4 units (he would have easily crushed them).

Phase 2 (magenta)

6. Now, he assembles forces from all three encirclements (two unsuccessful ones, and Hsinyang) and marches towards Homan.

7. My force Y (the one which tried to relieve Hsinyang) falls back to Homan. Still not realising the full size of his armada, I think city can be held (it was level 5, and my force Y was not that weak).

8. He does the same trick AGAIN - sends one tank unit behind my back etc. I play chicken, waiting one turn too late to go back and his encirclement is semi successful. His enormous shock attack with half million men takes Homan - no kidding, I think he got 12k APs on that attack - but defenders are not destroyed, they retreat north of the river. Had I been smart, they would have retreated in some order, towards Sian (not that it would change much I can see now).

Sian is next. With Homan defenders out of the way, it falls easily. Now my forces in North China are cut off. This is the moment when I felt some panic, because Chungking the capital was not very well defended, my troops were either very far away, out of the play (Homan defenders pushed beyond the river) or destroyed in Hsinyang, still too far away in rebuilding schedule.

He could have marched directly to Chungking having some chance to take it in coup de main (I had only couple units there). Also, he would have cut off Ichang defenders (see item no. 5 above).

Luckily he chose neither of those options - last I saw of his enormous army was marching east (he left 60k guys to defend Sian (Xian) and some on the Sian-Homan road. That was a week ago. His, now not-so-enormous-but-still-very-big army is either preparing to attack USSR with KA (don't believe this), marching south to attack Changsha, or is preparing to attack my isolated North China forces.

9. Ichang forces are pulled back and will not be lost (phew!).

10. Chungking is reinforced and now cannot fall. Hsinyang units are less than a week from being rebuilt.

11. Some of units beaten at Homan are finding their way back, beaten and exhausted (but very experienced by Chinese army standards [:D]). Poor guys have to attack accross the river, suffer auto attack rule, but that's war.

Couple days ago we started air war over China, which is already explained in detail in recent posts.

Now.... operationally, I'd say last couple weeks in China were Mog's marginal victory. Perhaps not entirely "marginal" but certainly not decisive either.

Strategically? Well, you be the judge. 500k Japanese troops spent more than a month (and are still spending more time) chasing Chinese. He captured two bases (three if we count Hsinyang), can probably capture 2-3 more (none of them vital for me). He destroyed 8-9 units in Hsinyang (which will be rebuilt). Another 300k+ force was spending this time on Luzon.

Save for the occassional KB raid on Noumea and Fiji (couple AKs sunk), and small force landings (unopposed) in Solomons Pacific was mostly quiet.


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RE: Last month in China

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Hi, From my point of view a Chinese advance east of RR has been turned into a Chinese retreat west of RR. The starting postions don't offer much to Japan if china stays put. Only if they advance can any advantage be made and only by concentrating force and moving fast. I felt like Stonewall in the Valley for part of the recent excercise. Fighting one force and then moving to fight the next. There was no chance to surround the force at Homan so I drove them across the river (didn't think you'd actually try to recross at Sian but rather would head north) In any event a sizeable Chinese force would be out of play and Chungking threatened. This would result in withdraw of other forward Chinese forces. (I would need several weeks to actually reach Chungking)
In the end Japan will be able to reposition forces against a reduced enemy. I hardly consider it a waste of time or supply.

1. The enemy had my will imposed on them rather then their directing events.
2. I hold more intiative in China now then I had on Dec 7 1941
3. It's not over.

The Allies have withdrawn from airwar. (after heavy loss)
WITP is not a fast game. Periods of quiet are only preludes to the storm.
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I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
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