Comprehensive City bombing testing WitP v1.77 (B-29's vs. Manpower)...

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

Ahhh... athough it is really time for others to test as well I did it one more time... [:D]


Description:

I created brand new custom scenario for this testing.

There are only 3 islands present: Marcus Island, Wake Island and Midway. Marcus Island is IJN base while Midway is USN base. For this test Wake Island is made Japanese base and exact Tokyo replica (i.e. it contains all properties of Tokyo including "Manpower").

Weather is always clear.

FoW is OFF.

Two B-29's groups have their default leaders (50's/60's ratings) while their EXP is set to 70 and morale to 90.

The B-29's have to fly 14 HEXes from Midway to Wake Island.

The B-29's attack from 10000ft.


5 consecutive runs of scenario in day (i.e. daytime bombings):


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 84


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 105

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 5250

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 84


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 107

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
16 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 5350

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 78


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 129

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 6450

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 85


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 99

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 4950

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 91


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 60

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 3000

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Discussion:

Rather unified destruction but the acual "Manpower" destruction (from initial 110 value) was not registered although fires were started - apparently the 2x 48 B-29 bombers are not enough...


Leo "Apollo11"

P.S.
The B-29's used here are 100% same (same leader, same EXP, same morale) as those who wrecked havoc on ships in port in similar scenario I posted before.

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

I will post additional tests later (4x 48 B-29's and 6x 48 B-29's for day and night)...


Leo "Apollo11"

[Yamato hugger]

Later? But

But


But

We want it NOW!

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Later? But

But


But

We want it NOW!

I have a life outside WitP as well... [8D]

New tests soon... 4x 48 B-29 are being done now...


Leo "Apollo11"

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

4x 48 B-29 this time...


Description:

I created brand new custom scenario for this testing.

There are only 3 islands present: Marcus Island, Wake Island and Midway. Marcus Island is IJN base while Midway is USN base. For this test Wake Island is made Japanese base and exact Tokyo replica (i.e. it contains all properties of Tokyo including "Manpower").

Weather is always clear.

FoW is OFF.

Four B-29's groups have their default leaders (50's/60's ratings) while their EXP is set to 70 and morale to 90.

The B-29's have to fly 14 HEXes from Midway to Wake Island.

The B-29's attack from 10000ft.


5 consecutive runs of scenario in day (i.e. daytime bombings):


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 192


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 351

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 18750
MANPOWER 106 (i.e. 4 destroyed because original was 110)

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 191


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 375

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
28 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 18750
MANPOWER 110 (i.e. 0 destroyed because original was 110)

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 192


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 308

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
10 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 15400
MANPOWER 110 (i.e. 0 destroyed because original was 110)

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 192


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 290

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
24 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 14500
MANPOWER 110 (i.e. 0 destroyed because original was 110)

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 153


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 308

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 15400
MANPOWER 110 (i.e. 0 destroyed because original was 110)

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Discussion:

More destruction and fires than when 2x 48 B-29 were used (as expected) but only once there was actual damage to "Manpower" value.



Leo "Apollo11"

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

8x 48 B-29's this time...


Description:

I created brand new custom scenario for this testing.

There are only 3 islands present: Marcus Island, Wake Island and Midway. Marcus Island is IJN base while Midway is USN base. For this test Wake Island is made Japanese base and exact Tokyo replica (i.e. it contains all properties of Tokyo including "Manpower").

Weather is always clear.

FoW is OFF.

Eight B-29's groups have their default leaders (50's/60's ratings) while their EXP is set to 70 and morale to 90.

The B-29's have to fly 14 HEXes from Midway to Wake Island.

The B-29's attack from 10000ft.


5 consecutive runs of scenario in day (i.e. daytime bombings):


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 384


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 814

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
32 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
32 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
32 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
16 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
16 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
28 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 40700
MANPOWER 110 (i.e. 0 destroyed because original was 110)

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 382


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 726

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
43 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 36300
MANPOWER 110 (i.e. 0 destroyed because original was 110)

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 384


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 683

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
43 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
43 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
20 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
10 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 34150
MANPOWER 110 (i.e. 0 destroyed because original was 110)

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 335


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 602

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
22 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 30100
MANPOWER 100 (i.e. 10 destroyed because original was 110)

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 367


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 522

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
43 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
36 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
35 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

FIRES 26100
MANPOWER 100 (i.e. 10 destroyed because original was 110)

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Discussion:

Again more destruction and fires than when 2x 48 or 4x 48 B-29's were used (as expected) but only twice there was actual damage to "Manpower" value.

I now think that there must be "dice roll" for actual damage because both times when there was damage to "Manpower" the attack was not the strongest (and not the biggest fire produced)...



Leo "Apollo11"

[Big B]

I haven't played a 1945 game yet - so I am ignorant of what the tests are showing.

Does this represent a signifigant increase or decrease in the destructive power of B-29 raids compared to 'out of the box' WitP?

B

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: Big B

I haven't played a 1945 game yet - so I am ignorant of what the tests are showing.

Does this represent a signifigant increase or decrease in the destructive power of B-29 raids compared to 'out of the box' WitP?

I think significant damage - 1 raid and 10% is destroyed/damaged...

BTW, I just realized that although I on purpose targeted the "Manpower" the other objects were also heavily destroyed/damaged as well!

In almost every raid there was 5%, 10%, 20% damage to:

Heavy Industry
Resources
Oil

Therefore the attacks are _HIGHLY_ successful / _VERY_ effective for USA and _DEVASTATING_ for Japan!


Leo "Apollo11"

[tabpub]

ORIGINAL: Apollo11


Therefore the attacks are _HIGHLY_ successful / _VERY_ effective for USA and _DEVASTATING_ for Japan!


Leo "Apollo11"

Appreciate the time that you took for these tests, but I have to mention that all it shows is the following
1. Clear weather is good for bombing.
2. 2 miles up in the air is not to high to fly to have accurate bombing.
3. Bombers that don't have to deal with flak or fighters don't have a problem hitting the target.

In fact, I would have been surprised that such a group of bombers wouldn't achieve those results in these conditions; they should devastate a square mile or more in that force. And considering the dense nature of the Japanese urban area 10% doesn't seem that far off; if anything, it would be light, considering the 'milk run' nature of the test, though the additional damage from the fires will probably end up doubling the damage, if the test were run out some more days following the strike.

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: tabpub

Appreciate the time that you took for these tests, but I have to mention that all it shows is the following
1. Clear weather is good for bombing.
2. 2 miles up in the air is not to high to fly to have accurate bombing.
3. Bombers that don't have to deal with flak or fighters don't have a problem hitting the target.

In fact, I would have been surprised that such a group of bombers wouldn't achieve those results in these conditions; they should devastate a square mile or more in that force. And considering the dense nature of the Japanese urban area 10% doesn't seem that far off; if anything, it would be light, considering the 'milk run' nature of the test, though the additional damage from the fires will probably end up doubling the damage, if the test were run out some more days following the strike.

Yes... the test was "the best case for the USA" (i.e. good weather and no opposition)... it's goal was to see the MAX amount of possible damage that can be achieved...


Leo "Apollo11"

[ChezDaJez]

Hi Apollo,

Could run run the same test at 30,000 feet for comparison? Would be intersting to see how great a differnece there is.

Chez