P-38 CHS changes

worr · Post by **worr** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:48 am

Once again I'll post a work sheet with foot notes. Data in (parenthesis) is CHS only. There was an extra slot for the P-38L so I included that using numbers from Lockheed. If you have a Pilot Operating Handbook you'll have J numbers for the P-38L. These are higher due to the evolution of fuels right as the P-38 became available. However, maneuver and durability remains the same. See notes below.

Most of the changes deal with climb rates and production. So I don't see much impact on the game...mostly just some corrections.

References are:

Warren Bodie "The Lockheed P-38 Lightning"

David D. Whitney "Vee's for Victory!: the story of the Allison V-1710 Aircraft Engine 1929-1948"

Dean "America's Hundred-Thousand: US Production Fighters of world War Two"

Martin Caidin "The Forked Tailed Devil"

William Green "Famous Fighters of World War II"

John Stanaway "P-38 Aces of the Pacific and CBI"

John Stanaway "P-38 Aces of ETO/MTO"

Jeff Ethell, various articles and books

P-38 Pilot Operating Handbook

General Kenney Memoirs

Eric M. Bergerud "Fire in the Sky"

Various correspondence, and other books on the larger war in the PTO.

Worr, out

worr · Post by **worr** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:11 am

(P-38F)

Max Spd: 391 Maneuver: 32 Max Load: 0

Cruise Spd: 185 Durability: 38 GV 16

Climb Rate: 2353 Endurance: 575 – 9.58

Max Altitude: 30000 Armour: 1

Upgrade: 38G Range: 1772.9 29/9/7 in hexes

Date: 12/41 % Rate: 1/ 10 production *

P-38G

Max Spd: 391 + Maneuver: 32 (33) Max Load 2000

Cruise Spd: 185 Durability: 37 (39) GV 16

Climb Rate: 2353 + Endurance: 575 – 9.58

Max Altitude: 39000 (30000) Armour: 1

Upgrade: 38J Range: 1772.9 29/9/7

Date: 10/42 Rate: 20 (1/35 in production)

P-38J

Max Spd: 414 Maneuver: 34 Max Load 3200

Cruise Spd: 195 Durability: 39 (40) GV 16

Climb Rate: 3178 ++ Endurance: 660 – 11

Max Altitude: 44000 Armour: 1

Upgrade: 38J +++ Range: 2145 35/11/8

Date: 9/43 Rate: 50 (70/45)

(P-38L) &

Max Spd: 440 Maneuver: 34 Max Load 3200

Cruise Spd: 195 Durability: 39 (40) GV 16

Climb Rate: 4,178 Endurance: 695 – 11.5

Max Altitude: 44000 Armour: 1

Upgrade: 38L Range: 2260 37/12/9

Date: 6/44 Rate: 80/60

% Change to 4/42. The above 38F is really a 38E with strong performance numbers. See squadron recommendations below.

* Change to 5 replacement; 25 production. Net result is an increase (180 vs 121) but you are loosing (-29) two 38F FSs that start 12/41. P-38G actually began delivers 8/42, but best to leave it at 10/42 as deliveries only trickled into the PTO that early.

Historically P-38s came into the PTO piecemeal replacing P-39s and P-40 Fighter Squadrons as they became available. The first replacement squadrons were the 39th FS/35th FG which began receiving theirs the summer of 1942. Immediately afterwards the 9th FS/49th FG received theirs then the 80th FS of the 8th FG and the 8th FS 49th FG. Two more operating off Guadalcanal were partially equipped. 339th FS/347th FG; 70th FS/18th FG together with P-39s.

+ P-38G top speed 400; 2,700 ft/min Some of the numbers above match but not war emergency power numbers. However, other aircraft are given best performance numbers under combat power. So these are corrected above. Also by the end of August AAF Fighter Command lifted limits placed upon Manifold Pressure as kinks in intercoolers were worked out. Hence higher numbers in later 38Gs. 38G had slightly better sustained climb rate than Zero.

Typical combat radius for the J/L variants was 275 miles for 410 US gallons of fuel (no external tanks) and 650 miles with 740 US gallons (w/ 165 gal external tanks). These ranges allowed for 20 minutes combat at target and 30 minutes of reserves. With 300 gal tanks, missions were made over ranges in excess of 1000 miles and durations of nine hours or more.

++ Climb rate 4,000 FTP Best initial climb rate

& P-38L was heavier and possessed the new V1710–30 engines as well as aileron boost and dive flaps. Improvements were made in both fuel quality and intercoolers to allow greater manifold pressure. Most P-38Ls were run under P-38J regimes but in the field were given higher-octane fuel to give most power. Yet over all maneuver rate didn’t change as most PTO combat was at lower altitudes where the aileron boost and dive flaps made little difference.

worr · Post by **worr** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:36 pm

Squadron Plane Arrival Origin Assignment Ready/Damaged/Max

14th FG *

48th FS P-38F 12/6/41 LA WEST 7/6/24
49th FS P-38F 12/6/41 LA WEST 16/0/24

329thth FG

330th FS P-38F 7/10/42 S.F. WEST 16/0/24
331st FS P-38F 7/10/42 S.F. WEST 12/0/24
332nd FS P-38F 7/10/42 S.F. WEST 16/0/24

33rd FG

58th FS 38G 2/6/44 US SEASIA 12/4/24
59th FS 38G + 12/31/43 US SEASIA 12/0/24

475th FG

431st FS 38G 4/14/43 San D SWPAC 24/0/24
432nd FS 38G 4/14/43 San D SWPAC 12/0/24
433rd FS 38G 4/14/43 San D SWPAC 12/0/24

51st FG

449th FS 38G 8/26/43 Kara SEASIA 12/0/24

80th FG

459th FS 38G + 9/01/43 Kara SEASIA 12/0/24

* 14th FG transferred 6/42 to England and then to MTO. Recommend remove both squadrons. 329th FG is represented as P-38 group in West Coast Defense.

+ P-38Js for those squadrons coming into the theater later. Not all P-38 squadrons are represented. P-38Ls will come in as replacements only.

akdreemer · Post by **akdreemer** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:06 am

3 questions:
First there are references to P-38's carrying 4000lb bomb loads, why 3200 limit in the J's and L's? Unfortunately i am at work and cannot quote any of them off hand.
Second, it is my understanding and I may be incorrect, but does't a plane have to be introduced in a reinforcement squadron before it becomes available for upgrades?
Third and last, I have understood that the power assist flaps enable the P-38 to turn tighter at a higher speed at low altitude, something that most none power assist planes have problems with?

Other than this I like what you have put together.

worr · Post by **worr** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:54 am

ORIGINAL: AlaskanWarrior

3 questions:
First there are references to P-38's carrying 4000lb bomb loads, why 3200 limit in the J's and L's? Unfortunately i am at work and cannot quote any of them off hand.
Second, it is my understanding and I may be incorrect, but does't a plane have to be introduced in a reinforcement squadron before it becomes available for upgrades?
Third and last, I have understood that the power assist flaps enable the P-38 to turn tighter at a higher speed at low altitude, something that most none power assist planes have problems with?

Other than this I like what you have put together.

Thanks for the input, AlaskanWarrior. I appreciate it.

I didn't understand the loads either....so I didn't touch them. I wanted to put 1k bombs on as well as these were carried, but when I looked at the game it didn't seem to fit. So I thought I best let sleeping dogs lie. I know history well enough, but the game dynamics are still beyond my reach at times.

Can you restate the second question. I'm not sure that I understand it. Give me a for instance.

As to the third and last, that I think I can speak to.

First, let me say that aileron boost doesn't tighten your turn radius. It is rather that it increases roll rate, especially when trying to overcome inertia....which is a big problem with twins. Hence the unique control throttle in the FTD...a wheel instead of a stick. You still fly one handed so it matters little....probably just an assurance, or a way to close the deal with the federal government. To be sure, you have to roll before you turn...so you might get into the turn a split second sooner, but it doesn't make your turn radius tighter. Some 38 pilots, most notably Ira Bong, would chop throttle on the inside engine to let the outside engine pull the forked tailed devil through a tighter turn. But that is a different issue all together, and you have to be a confident pilot to do that.

I interviewed two P-38 pilots and both of them said the boost mattered little at low altitude, and sometimes if the fights were down low, such as in the MTO and PTO they just shut it off. It was too touchy in the approach to landing. I asked specifically about the J-25-LO series improvements. Stanway makes the same observation in his book on P-38 aces in the PTO.

Besides all this, you don't want to mess with the maneuver ratings in the game without looking at every aircraft. That number is far more complex than just turn radius. I just didn't play with those at all. My mods are modest really.

Worr, out

m10bob · Post by **m10bob** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:57 am

Excellent research Worr.....Thank you..........

worr · Post by **worr** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:14 pm

Thanks, m10bob!

Worr, out

Hard Sarge · Post by **Hard Sarge** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:36 pm

funny, I was just reading on the 38 last night at work (do some of my best reading/reseach at night when I am at work)

the statement I read said that it "Provision for two bombs of up to 1600 lbs (726 kg)each under wing cetre section"

but it also tells of when the drop snout apeared, the raids flew with 1 1000 pounder, also states that could fly with 2, and on short missions could change to either 1 or 2 2000 pounders

so it conterdicks itself

but would say, up to 1600 on each wing was normal load, it could go higher if the mission was not far away

this book is saying the 38 J was the fastest model to see service, with a top speed of 413 at 30 K

and interesting, the 38 F did not carry any bombs

(I know, each book ends up with different info, this is just what the one I was looking at last night has)

HARD_Sarge

(I was looking for time in flight vs range for fuel loads)

worr · Post by **worr** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:28 pm

Yes, normal is the key.

"Could" doesn't always equal "did."

Worr, out

Hard Sarge · Post by **Hard Sarge** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:38 pm

Roger that bud
the one I like is a book that will give time to alt for this plane and then all the other planes, are for different alts

some of the manuels we been looking at, are giving ranges, based on a speed of 200 mph's at 10,000 ft, with a lotter time added in, and a 30 minute extra fuel for if any trouble on return to base

what plane ever flew combat with those setting

ahhhhh

worr · Post by **worr** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:44 pm

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

Roger that bud
the one I like is a book that will give time to alt for this plane and then all the other planes, are for different alts

some of the manuels we been looking at, are giving ranges, based on a speed of 200 mph's at 10,000 ft, with a lotter time added in, and a 30 minute extra fuel for if any trouble on return to base

what plane ever flew combat with those setting

ahhhhh

Well, what ever you use you have to use it across the board. What I've found is that best initial climb rates are being used. So best to keep it with than frame of reference but then also use time to alt as a cross check. Climb rates closer to sea level are stronger than those at altitude even with a turbo charger, and or, compressor.

That 30 minute they are talking about is at war emergency power too. BTW...FAA law is still 30 minutes day time; 45 minutes night time; for remaining fuel. So it is something of a national standard. However, you do see ranges here out to bone dry running on fumes miles. That seems a bit extreme given the pressures of formation flying, navigation over water, and combat. But again...has to be across the board.

Worr, out

Andrew Brown · Post by **Andrew Brown** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:19 am

ORIGINAL: worr
58th FS 38G 2/6/44 US SEASIA 12/4/24
59th FS 38G + 12/31/43 US SEASIA 12/0/24

My understanding is that the 58th and 59th (and 60th) Fighter Squadrons were transferred from the MTO (Italy) to the CBI theatre via Karachi (they would appear at the "Middle East" base in CHS), and were equipped with P-47s (I am guessing the P-47C) at that time. That is just from online sources, however.

Andrew

worr · Post by **worr** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:28 pm

They trained in them....others did this too. But when they hit operations they were in P-38s. As the war progressed more and more squadrons did their run up to combat closer to the front....intead of state side transiting to their normal fighter planes.

BTW...they are plenty of missing squadrons here in the CBI theater. These fighter groups are not full.

akdreemer · Post by **akdreemer** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:43 am

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

funny, I was just reading on the 38 last night at work (do some of my best reading/reseach at night when I am at work)

the statement I read said that it "Provision for two bombs of up to 1600 lbs (726 kg)each under wing cetre section"

but it also tells of when the drop snout apeared, the raids flew with 1 1000 pounder, also states that could fly with 2, and on short missions could change to either 1 or 2 2000 pounders

so it conterdicks itself

but would say, up to 1600 on each wing was normal load, it could go higher if the mission was not far away

this book is saying the 38 J was the fastest model to see service, with a top speed of 413 at 30 K

and interesting, the 38 F did not carry any bombs

(I know, each book ends up with different info, this is just what the one I was looking at last night has)

HARD_Sarge

(I was looking for time in flight vs range for fuel loads)

As an intersting side note LockheedMartin website states thatthe P38L had a max speed of 414mph:
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findP ... 6729&rsbi=

worr · Post by **worr** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:55 am

Wow, and they also have this:

Rate of Climb: 20,000 ft/min

I don't even think the space shuttle program does that.

Worr, out

FeurerKrieg · Post by **FeurerKrieg** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:47 am

ORIGINAL: worr

Wow, and they also have this:

Rate of Climb: 20,000 ft/min

I don't even think the space shuttle program does that.

Worr, out

You HAD to say this to ge my curiosity going...

Specs for the Rockwell STS
Takeoff distance, ground roll: 0 ft

Takeoff distance over 50-ft obstacle: 0 ft

Maximum demonstrated crosswind component: 15 kt

Rate of climb (typical ascent profile at 130,000 ft): 132,000 fpm

Orbit Altitude: 185 to 643 kilometers (115 to 400 statute miles)

Orbit Velocity: 27,875 kph (17,321 mph)

Lift-to-drag (glide) ratio —

Hypersonic: 1.05

Subsonic: 5.1

Landing distance, ground roll (typical): 10,000 ft

Landing distance, ground roll (minimum): 7,000 ft

worr · Post by **worr** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:43 pm

Yes, but does it have any guns?

Worr, out

Honda · Post by **Honda** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:20 pm

I'd put my OscarIII agaist your Space Shuttle any day[8D]

worr · Post by **worr** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:34 am

I haven't checked this in the CHS 2.0 beta, but looking at the new docs things check out. Exction being a compromise in keeping one P-38E/F squadron on West Coast instead of taking them both out. I didn't see anything about production rates on the new birds. Some of these were changed. Replacement rate changes are mentioned.
 
Worr, out

worr · Post by **worr** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:31 pm

[font="times new roman"](P-38F) [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Max Spd: 391                          Maneuver: 32                          Max Load: 0[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Cruise Spd: 185                  Durability: 38                            GV 16[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Climb Rate: 2353                Endurance: 575 – 9.58[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Max Altitude:             30000              Armour: 1[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Upgrade: 38G                          Range:  1772.9               29/9/7 in hexes[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Date: 12/41 %                          Rate: 1/ 10 production *[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]P-38G[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Max Spd: 391             +                      Maneuver: 32 (33)                  Max Load 2000[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Cruise Spd: 185                  Durability: 37 (39)                    GV 16[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Climb Rate: 2353 +             Endurance: 575 – 9.58[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Max Altitude: 39000 (30000)            Armour: 1[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Upgrade: 38J                            Range: 1772.9             29/9/7[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Date: 10/42                              Rate: 20 (1/35 in production)[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]P-38J[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Max Spd: 414                          Maneuver: 34                          Max Load 3200[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Cruise Spd: 195                  Durability: 39 (40)                    GV 16[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Climb Rate: 3178 ++                       Endurance: 660 – 11[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Max Altitude:            44000              Armour: 1[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Upgrade: 38J +++                 Range: 2145  35/11/8[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Date: 9/43                                Rate: 50 (70/45)[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"](P-38L) &[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Max Spd: 440                          Maneuver: 34                          Max Load 3200[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Cruise Spd: 195                  Durability: 39 (40)                    GV 16[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Climb Rate: 4,178               Endurance: 695 – 11.5[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Max Altitude:            44000              Armour: 1[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Upgrade: 38L                           Range: 2260  37/12/9[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Date: 6/44                                Rate: 80/60[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]% Change to 4/42. The above 38F is really a 38E with 38G performance numbers. See squadron recommendations below.[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]* Change to 5 replacement; 25 production. Net result is an increase (180 vs 121) but you are loosing (-29) two 38F FSs that start 12/41. P-38G actually began delivers 8/42, but best to leave it at 10/42 as deliveries only trickled into the PTO that early.[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Historically P-38s came into the PTO piecemeal replacing P-39s and P-40 Fighter Squadrons as they became available. The first replacement squadrons were the  39th FS/35th FG which began receiving theirs the summer of 1942.  Immediately afterwards the 9th FS/49th FG received theirs then the 80th FS of the 8th FG and the 8th FS 49th FG. Two more operating off Guadalcanal were partially equipped. 339th FS/347th FG; 70th FS/18th FG together with P-39s.[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]+ P-38G top speed 400; 2,700 ft/min Some of the number above match no war emergency power numbers. However, other aircraft are given best performance numbers under combat power. So these are corrected above. Also by the end of August AAF Fighter Command lifted limits placed upon Manifold Pressure as kinks in intercoolers were worked out. Hence higher numbers in later 38Gs. 38G had slightly better sustained climb rate than Zero.[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Typical combat radius for the J/L variants was 275 miles for 410 US gallons of fuel (no external tanks) and 650 miles with 740 US gallons (w/ 165 gal external tanks).  These ranges allowed for 20 minutes combat at target and 30 minutes of reserves.  With 300 gal tanks, missions were made over ranges in excess of 1000 miles and durations of nine hours or more. [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]++ Climb rate 4,000 FTP Best initial climb rate[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]& P-38L was heavier and possessed the new V1710–30 engines as well as aileron boost and dive flaps. Improvements were made in both fuel quality and intercoolers to allow great manifold pressure. Most P-38Ls were run under P-38J regimes but in the field were given higher-octane fuel to give most power. Yet over all maneuver rate didn’t change as most PTO combat was at lower altitudes where the aileron boost and dive flaps made little difference.[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Squadron            Plane                Arrival              Origin            Assignment            Ready/Damaged/Max[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]14th FG[/b] *[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]48th FS             P-38F              12/6/41            LA            WEST              7/6/24[/font]
[font="times new roman"]49th FS             P-38F              12/6/41            LA            WEST              16/0/24[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]329thth FG[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]330th FS            P-38F              7/10/42            S.F.            WEST              16/0/24[/font]
[font="times new roman"]331st FS             P-38F              7/10/42            S.F.            WEST              12/0/24[/font]
[font="times new roman"]332nd FS             P-38F              7/10/42            S.F.            WEST              16/0/24[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]33rd FG[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]58th FS             38G                 2/6/44              US            SEASIA         12/4/24[/font]
[font="times new roman"]59th FS             38G +              12/31/43          US            SEASIA         12/0/24[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]475th FG ++[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]431st FS            38G                 4/14/43            San D            SWPAC         24/0/24[/font]
[font="times new roman"]432nd FS            38G                 4/14/43            San D            SWPAC         12/0/24[/font]
[font="times new roman"]433rd FS            38G                 4/14/43            San D            SWPAC         12/0/24[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]51st FG[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]449th FS            38G                 8/26/43            Kara            SEASIA         12/0/24[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]80th FG[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]459th FS            38G +              9/01/43            Kara            SEASIA         12/0/24[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]* 14th FG transferred 6/42 to England and then to MTO. Recommend remove both squadrons. 329th FG is represented as P-38 group in West Coast Defense.[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]+ P-38Js for those squadrons coming into the theater later. Not all P-38 squadrons are represented. P-38Ls will come in as replacements only.[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]++ 475th had the distinction of being the first FG formed on foreign soil. Change Origin to Bisbane, AUS and arrival 6/26/43. Also increase experience above 1943 as almost half of the pilots were culled from active fighter groups in New Guinea.[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Factoids:[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]12/41 205 P-38d delivered all theaters including lend lease[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]6/42 P-38s arrive 39th FS/35th FG. First combat 12/42; Then 9th FS/49th FG. They loose these in 2/43 for P-47s[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]8/42 2 P-38s 54th FG Aleutians register first kill[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]11/42 first P38 combat in SWPAC[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]12/42 1264 P-38 deliveries; 214 F4/F5 photo recon[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]1/43 80th FS/8th FG receives P38s SWPAC[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]1/43 General Hap Arnold shuts down shipments of P-38s to the PTO to 15 per month for three months in the build up of operation torch--the invasion of the North Africa coast.[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]4/43 Yamamoto mission. 339FS 70th FS; 12FS and 18th FS involved.[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]9/43 212 P38s active in SWPAC[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]

P-38 CHS changes

P-38 CHS changes

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