Irrelevant (Tony S) vs Impertinent (Ron S): Farting around...

[Ron Saueracker]

Basically the CHS with WITP 1.795 build but...

Turn Allied DamCon off and adds enhanced durability to Allied warships (only) with each successive refit. Civilian merchants of all nations now have 50% of initial durability as well.

Has an A2A mod much like Nik's. People are requesting that something like Nik's mod be included so why not try it out with CHS production/rates? PDU ON as I want to see if the logistical changes make PDU less of a toy.

Logistics system has been severely altered. Approx 90% of resources on island bases (ie DEI, Australia), India and Burma has been removed and replaced by oil. Only mainland souces remain as per CHS (Japanese Asian continental possesions, Japanese Home Islands, Russia, China, North America). The Middle East and Panama now have larger reource/oil output to compensate). Manila, Batavia and Soerabaja have small munufacuting capability as compensation as well. Panama has small repair yard capability to model Atlantic ports. Reason...to alleviate the 1.25:1 supply/resource dynamic which I believe is too plentiful and eliminates the need for manufacturing supply and shipping it to the front. Should slow the game down drastically and alleviate some of the massive base buildups.

Civilian merchants (AKs) have had their capacity reduced to 20% of CHS caps. Civilian Tankers have had their capacities cut 50%. Military AKAs, AOs, AEs and APs remain the same due to assumption that these are military specific. Reason...to model an abstract civilian economy (alleviates the generic supply model...beans are not bombs).

Device load costs have been doubled for Japanese and Chinese, tripled for Western nations (ie, more equipment, western units required more than the basics Japanese and Chinese units did...SPAM is bulkier than dried rice ) Russia unaltered as I was not going to activate them and they have no shipping as of yet.

Ship max speeds have been cut 10% as these were not utilized on a 24/7 basis as the game allows. This may have positive impact on many things, ability to bombard bases with shoot and scoot runs with impunity from tactical air assets for example.

Ship tower armour removed to make armoured ships more vulnerable to smaller weapons given they were not painted with armour, some areas were unarmoured. Given that tower armour is superfluous to the model I wanted to try this.

CVs having armoured decks because of the presence of armour over machinery spaces are now vulnerable. I cut the deck armour value for these ships by 50%.

This also has the device modifications for ASW specific to CHS. Might be too much but what the hey...it's a test.

Hi there. Irrelevant was nice enough to try out my wacky ideas with me. I figure go big or stay home. Just waiting on Tony for first turn. No real house rules as this modded CHS is designed to see if even the rather massive adjustments to the logistics can curtail much of the issues we see now with pace, hordes of supply etc. I know El Cid for example hates the idea of the 10% speed reduction but I'm curious all the same and may as well see how it feels, eh?

[tsimmonds]

First time even looking at CHS, GT1 might take a day or two[;)].

Actually, I'll just use the same basic strategy that I was using in my most recent previous game, that should be a pretty good test of how much IJ is slowed down by your changes. Of course, if your changes are effective, my most recent strategy won't even be possible!

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: irrelevant

First time even looking at CHS, GT1 might take a day or two[;)].

Actually, I'll just use the same basic strategy that I was using in my most recent previous game, that should be a pretty good test of how much IJ is slowed down by your changes. Of course, if your changes are effective, my most recent strategy won't even be possible!

Of course, if your changes are effective, my most recent strategy won't even be possible!


If these huge changes don't have some real impact I'll give up beer. (for awhile anyway[;)])

[tsimmonds]

Oh, and quit harming the game, will ya? Sheesh![;)]

OMG! No fast APs. That'll make a difference.....[:)]

[Ron Saueracker]

Does this make sense to anyone?

Device load costs affect more than the logistics in transporting the units. By doubling the load cost of a device, we increase the carrying capacity required for transport, decrease the supplies and support required per man unit for support of the device and doubles the strength of infantry units.

To accomplish the effect of doubling the support and supplies required by an Allied infantry unit, one would actually make the load cost half that of the similar Japanese infantry unit. The trick to it is that Allied units would require twice as many infantry "squads" in a division, the number of support squads needed would double and the supplies consumed would increase.

The primary reason for this is that the combat system treats each load cost unit as a set of boots.

This system would be a powerful tool except for the fatal flaw that we have only a single slot for the generic support unit rather than support unit slots that could be edited for the forces being represented. Because there is but one generic support unit, it would be impossible to historically reflect the secondary manpower when we tinker with the load costs and number of squads as I assume the current OOB's do now. At most, we can use the motorized support slot as a second standard support to help distinguish the logistical support needed by the different forces in the theatre.

If this is a bit illogical sounding and confusing, then you read it right.

[jwilkerson]

Logistics system has been severely altered. Approx 90% of resources on island bases (ie DEI, Australia), India and Burma has been removed and replaced by oil. Only mainland souces remain as per CHS (Japanese Asian continental possesions, Japanese Home Islands, Russia, China, North America). The Middle East and Panama now have larger reource/oil output to compensate). Manila, Batavia and Soerabaja have small munufacuting capability as compensation as well. Panama has small repair yard capability to model Atlantic ports. Reason...to alleviate the 1.25:1 supply/resource dynamic which I believe is too plentiful and eliminates the need for manufacturing supply and shipping it to the front. Should slow the game down drastically and alleviate some of the massive base buildups.

Of all the changes you've listed initially - this is the only one that jumps out at me as being a ( probable ) problem ( yuck - too early to come up with better wording ).

If total resource output available to Japanese is cut - especially if cut massively - this will drastically reduce production. In my current CHS PBEM which is in Nov 43 - resources ( not oil or factory capacity or shipping ) is the bottleneck preventing further expansion of real production. Removing 90% of the resource generation from DEI and Burma will put the Japanese way in the hole from the beginning. Moving this capacity to the MIddle East or Panama doesn't help the Japanese unless they capture those locations. So my fear is that you've killed Japanese production with this one - unless you've also added more resource generation to the Home Islands or the Mainland to compensate.

Maybe I"m missing something !!!

[tsimmonds]

Does this make sense to anyone?

Err, nope. Unless....

Is the writer saying that the combat strength of a squad or a device is based on its load cost? So in doubling the load cost of a squad/device you have doubled its combat strength, but since there is still the same number of squads/devices in total, the supply consumption is unchanged? IOW, supply consumption is dependent solely on the number of squads/devices, while combat strength is dependent solely on load cost?

Couple other things do concern me about the doubled load costs. One is production, load cost determines how many armament/vehicle/manpower points are consumed by arriving reinforcements/replacements, as well as how much supply is burned in the process. The other is air transport. I hope the paras haven't gotten too heavy to fit onto their transport a/c. Para-sumos. We'll find out soon enough....

jwilkerson, I've never had a problem with not enough resources, but then I've never made it into late 43 either....

[Ron Saueracker]

I did not go 100% across the board. Paras stayed the same, as did other light infantry types.

I hope I did not cull too much of the resources but thats what I want to examine. All the continental stuff remains for Japan. There is so much supply flying around I was hoping it would impact China if it was reduced.

Don't forget, we may have been spoiled with the vast array of supply prior to this. Allies had ample but had major difficulty moving it. Japan had to struggle with supply and fuel basically within the first year.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Logistics system has been severely altered. Approx 90% of resources on island bases (ie DEI, Australia), India and Burma has been removed and replaced by oil. Only mainland souces remain as per CHS (Japanese Asian continental possesions, Japanese Home Islands, Russia, China, North America). The Middle East and Panama now have larger reource/oil output to compensate). Manila, Batavia and Soerabaja have small munufacuting capability as compensation as well. Panama has small repair yard capability to model Atlantic ports. Reason...to alleviate the 1.25:1 supply/resource dynamic which I believe is too plentiful and eliminates the need for manufacturing supply and shipping it to the front. Should slow the game down drastically and alleviate some of the massive base buildups.

Of all the changes you've listed initially - this is the only one that jumps out at me as being a ( probable ) problem ( yuck - too early to come up with better wording ).

If total resource output available to Japanese is cut - especially if cut massively - this will drastically reduce production. In my current CHS PBEM which is in Nov 43 - resources ( not oil or factory capacity or shipping ) is the bottleneck preventing further expansion of real production. Removing 90% of the resource generation from DEI and Burma will put the Japanese way in the hole from the beginning. Moving this capacity to the MIddle East or Panama doesn't help the Japanese unless they capture those locations. So my fear is that you've killed Japanese production with this one - unless you've also added more resource generation to the Home Islands or the Mainland to compensate.

Maybe I"m missing something !!!

The resources have not been removed from each base, just reduced 90% from those areas which are up for grabs so to speak and had way to much free supply. They still get the 1.25 resource and 1 supply ratio at the base. This forces the Japanese to husband supply and resources bigtime. Upping the Oil does not really compensate as this is apples and oranges to the production system but I am trying to end around the darn free supply dynamic. Since supply is generic but there is no civilian economy one must assume that the supply is military and therefore should have to have been 'produced" from resources and sent back to the front. Because mangoes can kill and bauxite is edible, the need for much of the shipping in this game goes straight to military sealift because military supply is being produced automatically.

[Ron Saueracker]

OK, First turn has been sent on the hack job.

Buffering....

Oh, Tony. Can you send your combat report file along with the replay and turn files? The sync problem sort of demands it as the Allied player never knows if the replay is a good one or complete hogwash. Thanks.

[tsimmonds]

Will do. Where can I find the ship art files for CHS? Every time I select a ship that I don't have a side for, I get crashed out. Plus, surface combat looks very strange with ships only on one side....[&:][;)]

edit: never mind, I got it.

[Ron Saueracker]

Well, before I go anywhere let me just say this. If we are ever going to progress very far into this testathon the devs hopefully will concur with Apollo and the gang with their take on the extreme ease which subs are spotted and lower the probability of sighting a sub by air DRASTICALLY. Granted, the attacks are low but geez louise, the sightings are as common as mint in a "bias free" bar. Are subs easier to spot than say....a twenty ship task force!?! Apparently so.

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 12/07/41

Sighting report: 2 Allied ships at 52,39 , Moving East
Ki-21-II Sally sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 27,43 , Moving Southwest
Ki-48-I Lily sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 43,44 , Moving Southwest
Ki-48-I Lily has spotted Hai Lee at 43,44
Ki-30 Ann sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 43,42 , Moving East
Ki-51 Sonia has spotted Ben Nevis at 43,42
Ki-51 Sonia sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 43,44 , Moving Southwest
Ki-51 Sonia has spotted Churruca at 43,44
Ki-36 Ida has spotted Ben Nevis at 43,42
H6K4 Mavis sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 43,44 , Moving Southwest
H6K4 Mavis sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 45,44 , Moving West
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 43,52 , Moving Southeast
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 45,53 , Moving Northwest
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 46,54 , Moving Southeast
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 44,57 , Moving West
H6K4 Mavis has spotted Wake at 52,39
D3A2 Val sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 112,72 , Moving East
D3A2 Val sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 114,72 , Moving Northeast
D3A2 Val sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 114,72 , Moving Southeast
D3A2 Val sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 114,72 , Moving West
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 43,57 , Moving East
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 45,53
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 27,42 , Moving East
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 26,44
F1M2 Pete has spotted Kalgan at 27,43
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 44,57 , Moving East
E13A1 Jake has spotted Kalgan at 27,43
E8N Dave has spotted Kalgan at 27,43
E7K2 Alf reports suspected submarine at 26,44
E7K2 Alf reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E7K2 Alf reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E7K2 Alf has spotted Latouche at 44,57
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 45,48
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 41,47 , Moving Southwest
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 43,50
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E14Y1 Glen sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 115,72 , Moving West
E14Y1 Glen sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 118,70 , Moving West
Sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 63,66 , Moving Southwest
Sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 85,72 , Moving Northeast
Sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 63,66 , Moving Southwest
Sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 46,47 , Moving Southwest
Sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 46,47 , Moving Southwest
Sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 85,72 , Moving Northeast
Sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 85,72 , Moving Northeast
Sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 85,72 , Moving Northeast
Sighting report: 4 Japanese ships at 46,47 , Moving Southwest
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 113,73 , Moving East
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 113,71 , Moving East
PBY Catalina attacking I-25 at 113,71
PBY Catalina reports suspected submarine at 114,73
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 117,71 , Moving East
PBY Catalina reports suspected submarine at 114,73
PBY Catalina sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 46,55 , Moving Northwest
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 44,48 , Moving Southwest
PBY Catalina has spotted Yamahagi Maru at 44,48
PBY Catalina sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 44,48 , Moving Southwest
PBY Catalina has spotted Shinrei Maru at 44,48
PBY Catalina sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 47,44 , Moving East
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 114,71 , Moving East
OS2U-3 Kingfisher sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 114,71 , Moving East
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 113,71
OS2U-3 Kingfisher sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 112,73 , Moving East
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,71
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 113,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 113,73 , Moving East
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 113,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher attacking I-25 at 113,71
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,71
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 113,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 113,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,71
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,71
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 113,71
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 113,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 113,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher attacking I-6 at 114,71
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 113,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 113,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 113,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 113,73 , Moving East
OS2U-3 Kingfisher attacking I-24 at 113,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 114,71
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 113,71
OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports suspected submarine at 113,73
OS2U-3 Kingfisher attacking I-25 at 113,71
SOC-3 Seagull attacking I-3 at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 113,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 113,74
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 112,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 113,74
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 112,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 113,71
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 113,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 113,73
SOC-3 Seagull sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 112,73 , Moving East
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 112,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Linfen
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Hengchow
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Hengchow
C5M Babs takes recon photos of Hong Kong
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Kota Bharu
C5M Babs takes recon photos of Kota Bharu
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Alor Star
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Georgetown
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Lingayen
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Clark Field
C5M Babs takes recon photos of Clark Field
C5M Babs takes recon photos of Clark Field
C5M Babs takes recon photos of Clark Field
C5M Babs takes recon photos of Clark Field
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Clark Field
C5M Babs takes recon photos of Clark Field
C5M Babs takes recon photos of San Marcelino
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Laoag
Ki-30 Ann takes recon photos of Aparri
FO Allen, D. of 19th Fighter is credited with kill number 2
LTJG Kikuchi, T. of AI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2
LTJG Kubota V. of AII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2
LTJG Kanamaru, T. of BII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2
FO Allen, D. of 19th Fighter is credited with kill number 2
FO Owen, D. of VMF-211 Detachment is credited with kill number 2
FO Owen, D. of VMF-211 Detachment is credited with kill number 2
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of 80th Chinese Corps
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of 82nd Chinese Corps
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of 16th Chinese Corps
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Hong Kong Fortress
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of No. 108 RAF Base Force
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of No. 108 RAF Base Force
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of No. 108 RAF Base Force
PO Ritchie, B. of No.488 Squadron RAF is credited with kill number 2
Ki-51 Sonia attacking KXI at 26,44
Ki-51 Sonia has spotted Kalgan at 27,43
Ki-48-I Lily reports suspected submarine at 26,44
Ki-48-I Lily reports suspected submarine at 27,42
Ki-21-II Sally reports suspected submarine at 26,44
Ki-21-II Sally reports suspected submarine at 27,42
Ki-48-I Lily reports suspected submarine at 45,48
Ki-48-I Lily has spotted Chekiang at 43,44
Ki-48-I Lily has spotted Churruca at 43,44
Ki-30 Ann attacking S-36 at 45,48
Ki-30 Ann has spotted Kiangsu at 45,44
Ki-36 Ida has spotted Ben Nevis at 43,42
Ki-36 Ida has spotted Churruca at 43,44
Churruca is reported HIT
Ki-36 Ida has spotted Kiangsu at 45,44
H6K4 Mavis reports suspected submarine at 43,50
H6K4 Mavis sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 41,43 , Moving West
H6K4 Mavis has spotted Taiping at 41,43
H6K4 Mavis has spotted Churruca at 43,44
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake has spotted Escalante R at 46,54
H6K4 Mavis has spotted Wake at 52,39
E7K2 Alf sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 52,41 , Moving Southwest
E7K2 Alf reports suspected submarine at 45,48
D3A2 Val has spotted Litchfield at 114,72
D3A2 Val has spotted Wright at 112,72
D3A2 Val has spotted Jagersfontein at 114,72
D3A2 Val has spotted Wright at 112,72
Wright is reported HIT
D3A2 Val has spotted Jagersfontein at 114,72
D3A2 Val has spotted McFarland at 114,72
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 45,48
F1M2 Pete has spotted Ravnaas at 44,57
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 45,48
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 37,51 , Moving Northeast
E8N Dave reports suspected submarine at 26,44
E8N Dave reports suspected submarine at 26,44
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 45,48
E13A1 Jake has spotted Churruca at 43,44
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 43,50
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 45,48
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake attacking S-36 at 45,48
E13A1 Jake has spotted Latouche at 44,57
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 45,48
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 45,53
F1M2 Pete has spotted Escalante R at 46,54
E13A1 Jake attacking Salmon at 43,50
F1M2 Pete sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 42,49 , Moving Southwest
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 45,48
E7K2 Alf attacking KXI at 26,44
E7K2 Alf has spotted Isabel at 43,52
E7K2 Alf reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 45,48
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 45,48
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 43,50
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 45,48
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 45,48
F1M2 Pete has spotted Kiangsu at 45,44
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 45,48
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 41,45 , Moving Southwest
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 43,50
B-17D Fortress has spotted Ryujo at 46,55
B-17D Fortress sighting report: 5 Japanese ships at 46,55 , Moving Southwest
B-17D Fortress has spotted Yae Maru at 46,55
Do 24K-2 reports suspected submarine at 27,55
PBY Catalina reports suspected submarine at 114,73
PBY Catalina reports suspected submarine at 114,73
PBY Catalina attacking I-6 at 114,71
I-6 is reported HIT
PBY Catalina reports suspected submarine at 114,73
PBY Catalina reports suspected submarine at 114,73
PBY Catalina attacking I-3 at 114,73
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 114,71 , Moving East
PBY Catalina attacking I-4 at 114,71
I-4 is reported HIT
PBY Catalina reports suspected submarine at 114,71
PBY Catalina reports suspected submarine at 113,74
PBY Catalina has spotted Kaga at 113,70
PBY Catalina attacking I-1 at 114,73
PBY Catalina reports suspected submarine at 114,73
PBY Catalina attacking I-15 at 113,71
PBY Catalina reports suspected submarine at 113,73
PBY Catalina attacking I-24 at 113,73
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 44,48 , Moving Southwest
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 44,48 , Moving Southwest
PBY Catalina sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 44,48 , Moving Southwest
PBY Catalina sighting report: 7 Japanese ships at 45,46 , Moving West
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 47,44 , Moving West
PBY Catalina sighting report: 4 Japanese ships at 47,44 , Moving West
PBY Catalina has spotted Yawata Maru at 47,44
PBY Catalina has spotted Jinsan Maru at 47,44
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 44,48 , Moving Southwest
PBY Catalina damaged by flak
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 44,48 , Moving Southwest
PBY Catalina has spotted Yamura Maru at 44,48
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 44,48 , Moving Southwest
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull attacking I-3 at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,71
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,71
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,71
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 113,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 113,71
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,71
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 113,71
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 113,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 113,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 113,74
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 112,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 114,73
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 112,73
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Yenen
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Linfen
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Tavoy
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Kota Bharu
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Alor Star
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Georgetown
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Lingayen
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Clark Field
C5M Babs takes recon photos of San Marcelino
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Laoag
Ki-30 Ann takes recon photos of Aparri
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of 91st Chinese Corps
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of 2nd New Chinese Corps
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of 80th Chinese Corps
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of 81st Chinese Corps
C5M Babs takes recon photos of 8th Indian Brigade
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of No. 107 RAF Base Force
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of No. 107 RAF Base Force

[Ron Saueracker]

Now on to the combat report for the Day in Infamy. This is the one sent by Irrelevant so this is the "master copy" or "actual one". Not into the first turn and a major sync issue has popped up. (Tony also said he lost at least a dozen leaders in turn one after never actually experiencing it before "I have never experienced the leader bug until now. This game ate at least a dozen admirals on the first turn". ...boy, this might not be alot of fun. I have not played PBEM in 8 months and am so keyed to play that I hope all the bugs and stuff don't ruin it) I just sat through a really long replay smothered in sub sightings which is in no way representative of what the real replay is. Just looking at the Japanese one reveals this. I'll post the Allied one when I get the turn. I'm going to post this without editing it for length just to compare.

Japanese version of Combat Report

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/07/41

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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 22,51

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 128

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 26 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
Blenheim IV: 2 destroyed
Vildebeest IV: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
13 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
11 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
11 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
10 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
10 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Naga , at 44,53

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 8
B5N2 Kate x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Governor Wright, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Taurus, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Si Kiang, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 79
G3M Nell x 54
G4M1 Betty x 75
C5M Babs x 5
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 3
P-35A x 2
P-40B Tomahawk x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 5 destroyed
P-35A: 7 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 10 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 2 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
249 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 33
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 246

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
15 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
14 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
8 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
11 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
5 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
7 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 114,72

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 90
D3A2 Val x 137
B5N2 Kate x 157

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
P-26A x 3
P-36A Mohawk x 8
P-40B Tomahawk x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
D3A2 Val: 1 destroyed, 33 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 10 destroyed, 54 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 3 destroyed
P-26A: 4 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 20 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 39 destroyed
B-18A Bolo: 7 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 16 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 2 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 5 destroyed
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 5 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 3 destroyed
C-47 Dakota: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DMS Trevor, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AV Tangier, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AD Dobbin, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Reid, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Utah, Bomb hits 1, on fire


Allied ground losses:
144 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 63
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 365

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
27 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
18 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
19 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
27 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
26 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
29 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
11 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
10 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
9 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
9 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
7 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
7 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
7 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
7 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
11 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
9 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
9 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 85,72

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 46

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
13 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 4th New Chinese Corps, at 48,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 10

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hong Kong Fortress, at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
Ki-15 Babs x 1
Ki-36 Ida x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-36 Ida: 8 destroyed, 15 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-36 Ida bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Shanghai at 52,39

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
PG Wake, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 12
Ki-21-II Sally x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Ben Nevis

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 43,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5
Ki-30 Ann x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Hai Lee, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 43,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 2
Ki-21-II Sally x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Chekiang

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 27,43

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-II Sally x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Kalgan

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 15000 feet
4 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 45,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 6
Ki-36 Ida x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Kiangsu, Bomb hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-36 Ida bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-36 Ida bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 85,72


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 8


Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Tatsuta, Bomb hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x F4F-3 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
4 x F4F-3 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 46,55

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 3

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 6
B-17E Fortress x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho
CVE Hosho

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 52,41

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 15
Ki-21-II Sally x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AP President Harrison

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Tacloban at 44,57

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 7
B5N2 Kate x 29

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Latouche, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
1 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 43,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 3
Ki-30 Ann x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Haraldsvang, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 43,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 2
Ki-21-II Sally x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Soochow

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 41,43

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Taiping

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Time Surface Combat at 41,43

Japanese Ships
DD Ikazuchi, Shell hits 1
DD Inazuma, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
AK Wawa, Shell hits 17, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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Day Time Surface Combat at 41,43

Japanese Ships
DD Ikazuchi
DD Inazuma

Allied Ships
TK Ebonol, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Time Surface Combat at 41,43

Japanese Ships
DD Ikazuchi
DD Inazuma

Allied Ships
AK Taiping, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Time Surface Combat at 110,130

Japanese Ships
PG Aikoku Maru, Shell hits 1
PG Hokoku Maru

Allied Ships
AK Vincent, Shell hits 7, on fire

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Day Time Surface Combat at 43,44

Japanese Ships
DD Kasasagi
DD Hiyodori

Allied Ships
AK Hai Lee, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Time Surface Combat at 43,44

Japanese Ships
DD Kasasagi
DD Hiyodori

Allied Ships
AK Chekiang, Shell hits 11, on fire

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Time Surface Combat at 43,44

Japanese Ships
DD Kasasagi
DD Hiyodori

Allied Ships
AK Haraldsvang, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

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Naval bombardment of Guam, at 63,66

Japanese Ships
DD Yuzuki
DD Kikuzuki
DD Uzuki
DD Oboro
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba

Allied Ships
MSW Penguin, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AO Robert L Barnes, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 4
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 85,72, firing at TF 16
TF 16 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 85,72


280 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Uji Maru, Shell hits 2
DD Mutsuki, Shell hits 3
DD Kisaragi
AP Chifuku Maru, Shell hits 7
DD Mochizuki

Japanese ground losses:
894 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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TF 83 troops unloading over beach at Guam, 63,66


Japanese ground losses:
177 casualties reported

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TF 90 troops unloading over beach at Batan Islands, 46,47


Japanese ground losses:
289 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Nanchang

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 43638 troops, 232 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 15360 troops, 50 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 20 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
541 casualties reported
Guns lost 10

Allied ground losses:
556 casualties reported
Guns lost 8


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Wake Island

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2958 troops, 58 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 6172 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
241 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Wake Island

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 5898 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 6182 troops, 56 guns, 12 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Wake Island base !!!



Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 6 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
5185 casualties reported
Guns lost 39
Vehicles lost 6


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Ground combat at Batan Islands

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 3052 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 108 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Batan Islands base !!!





Allright...here is the TOTALLY whacked and out of sync replay I saw. May not even bother watching them anymore, you know?[:@]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/07/41

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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 22,51

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 128

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 5 destroyed, 17 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
Vildebeest IV: 3 destroyed
Swordfish: 2 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
5 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
8 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
14 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
11 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
5 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Naga , at 44,53

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 8
B5N2 Kate x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Governor Wright, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Si Kiang, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 66
G3M Nell x 52
G4M1 Betty x 75
C5M Babs x 5
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 3
P-35A x 2
P-40B Tomahawk x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 3 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 6 destroyed
P-35A: 6 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 6 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 2 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
156 casualties reported

Airbase hits 42
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 174

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
14 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
8 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
11 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
8 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
12 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
5 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
9 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 114,72

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 90
D3A2 Val x 137
B5N2 Kate x 157

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
P-26A x 6
P-36A Mohawk x 7
P-40B Tomahawk x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged
D3A2 Val: 2 destroyed, 36 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 6 destroyed, 45 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 4 destroyed
P-26A: 9 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 17 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 34 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 16 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 5 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 2 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 2 destroyed
C-47 Dakota: 2 destroyed
B-18A Bolo: 5 destroyed
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 4, on fire
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Utah, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Jarvis, Bomb hits 1, on fire


Allied ground losses:
372 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 63
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 375

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
26 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
19 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
19 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
27 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
26 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
28 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
11 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
8 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
10 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
8 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
7 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
7 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
6 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
7 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
7 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
7 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
9 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
9 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 9000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 85,72

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 49

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged


Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
11 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
5 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 4th New Chinese Corps, at 48,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 10

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
103 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hong Kong Fortress, at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
Ki-15 Babs x 1
Ki-36 Ida x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-36 Ida: 8 destroyed, 13 damaged


Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-36 Ida bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Manila at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 12

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 6 destroyed


Allied Ships
PG Isabel, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
2 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Shanghai at 52,39

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
PG Wake, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 52,41

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 12
Ki-21-II Sally x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AP President Harrison

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 4
Ki-30 Ann x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Ben Nevis, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 2
Ki-21-II Sally x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Wawa

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 41,43

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
TK Ebonol, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 27,43

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-II Sally x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Kalgan

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 45,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 8
Ki-36 Ida x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Kiangsu, Bomb hits 5, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-36 Ida bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-36 Ida bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 85,72


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 9


Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Tenryu
CL Tatsuta

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x F4F-3 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
4 x F4F-3 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
4 x F4F-3 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 46,55

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 3

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 6
B-17E Fortress x 6

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CVE Hosho
CVL Zuiho

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Dumaguete at 42,57

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AP Luzon

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 43,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 11
Ki-21-II Sally x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Hai Lee

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 43,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 6
Ki-30 Ann x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Haraldsvang, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 43,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 2
Ki-21-II Sally x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Soochow

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 41,43

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Taiping, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Time Surface Combat at 41,43

Japanese Ships
DD Ikazuchi
DD Inazuma

Allied Ships
TK Ebonol, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

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Day Time Surface Combat at 41,43

Japanese Ships
DD Ikazuchi
DD Inazuma

Allied Ships
AK Taiping, Shell hits 20, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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Day Time Surface Combat at 110,130

Japanese Ships
PG Aikoku Maru, Shell hits 2
PG Hokoku Maru, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
AK Vincent, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Time Surface Combat at 43,44

Japanese Ships
DD Kasasagi
DD Hiyodori

Allied Ships
AK Hai Lee, Shell hits 5

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Day Time Surface Combat at 43,44

Japanese Ships
DD Kasasagi
DD Hiyodori

Allied Ships
AK Chekiang, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Time Surface Combat at 43,44

Japanese Ships
DD Kasasagi
DD Hiyodori

Allied Ships
AK Haraldsvang, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage

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Naval bombardment of Guam, at 63,66

Japanese Ships
DD Yuzuki
DD Kikuzuki
DD Uzuki
DD Oboro
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba

Allied Ships
AO Robert L Barnes, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Penguin, Shell hits 2, on fire

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 7
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 1

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 85,72, firing at TF 16
TF 16 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 85,72


494 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
CL Tatsuta, Shell hits 12
DD Mutsuki, Shell hits 1
DD Mochizuki, Shell hits 3
DD Kisaragi
AP Kinryu Maru, Shell hits 2

Japanese ground losses:
1569 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
84 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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TF 83 troops unloading over beach at Guam, 63,66


Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported

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TF 90 troops unloading over beach at Batan Islands, 46,47


Japanese ground losses:
134 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Nanchang

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 43638 troops, 232 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 15278 troops, 49 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
222 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Allied ground losses:
417 casualties reported
Guns lost 7


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Wake Island

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2910 troops, 59 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 5832 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

[Ron Saueracker]

I'm waiting impatiently for the turn to arrive...lots of orders to do. In my replay West Virginia and Pennsylvania went down as did the Utah...took a torpedo and the magazines went off but as you can see the Utah only took a bomb in the Jap report. Be interesting to see what exactly sank at PH.

[tsimmonds]

(Tony also said he lost at least a dozen leaders in turn one after never actually experiencing it before "I have never experienced the leader bug until now. This game ate at least a dozen admirals on the first turn". ...boy, this might not be alot of fun. I have not played PBEM in 8 months and am so keyed to play that I hope all the bugs and stuff don't ruin it)

This is the first turn I have played with 1.795, if that is in any way interesting.

[Ron Saueracker]

I really like the new ship ASW routines so far. Adds alot to the drama and gives some survivability to subs vs large TFs.

[Ron Saueracker]

So, Maryland was the victim, not WeeVee, Pennsy and Utah. With Allied DamCon off flooding may yet claim another victim or two. I would have liked to see Tatsuta get hit by four bombs dropped by the Wildcats at Wake...maybe some penetrations.

Sure would be something if basic issues like this sync problem were hammered out. I don't understand how the settings need to be identical on the opposing PCs when the Japanese player's settings are the governing ones, making them identical. They are identical anyway for what it's worth.

[tsimmonds]

maybe some penetrations

I saw the same thing, but nope; didn't even scratch the paint.

This mod has really succeeded in slowing down the IJ advance in a spectacular way! Will anyone be interested in playing it? Only if there are corresponding hobbles for the Allies....we shall see.

[tsimmonds]

I just finished 12/9. So far I have taken Wake, Guam, Laoag, Batan Island. I am shipping regiments, not divisions, to some interesting destinations. My interesting supply convoys have 10,000, not 100,000 supply. Soon I will have enough empty APs to turn around a second wave....this is very different. The fact that I do not have mega lift capability makes my moves more conservative, not just less volume, but also less ambitious geographically.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: irrelevant

maybe some penetrations

I saw the same thing, but nope; didn't even scratch the paint.

This mod has really succeeded in slowing down the IJ advance in a spectacular way! Will anyone be interested in playing it? Only if there are corresponding hobbles for the Allies....we shall see.

Allies have the same limitations to their merchies except the AKA and specialist assault craft which keep their capacity as they did not move civy stuff. I won't use them for merchant service either. Perhaps the 80% drop in capacity is too severe (of course it is) but I want to see just how loose this logistics system was.