Irrelevant (Tony S) vs Impertinent (Ron S): Farting around...

[Ron Saueracker]

I must say again that I'm liking the ASW routines as they pertain to surface ASW. Much more fun to watch by a long shot. I find the multiple attacks by the limited percentage of escorts more realistic than the old gang bang. Sub survivability is up (some fear too much) but I think the crew rating improvements over time will remedy the initial poor showing of the escorts and the subs will start paying the price for their insolence.

[Ron Saueracker]

As in the above post, I really like what was done with the surface ASW. This turn was a hoot.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/13/41

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Night Air attack on Singora , at 24,43

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IF: 3 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
Blenheim IF bombing at 2000 feet
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ASW attack at 32,64 Off Balikpappan

Japanese Ships
SS I-160, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Whipple
DD John D. Edwards
DD Edsall
DD Alden

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Sub attack at 26,55 NW of Borneo

Japanese Ships
SS I-165

Allied Ships
AP Ariadne Moller, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Whippoorwill


Allied ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Sub attack at 22,52 Off Palembang

Japanese Ships
SS I-122, hits 1

Allied Ships
AP Speelman, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
PC Circe

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Sub attack at 45,62 SE of Mindanao

Japanese Ships
CS Chitose
DD Amatsukaze
DD Hayashio
DD Natsushio
DD Hatsukaze

Allied Ships
SS Sculpin

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Sub attack at 26,44 Gulf of Siam

Japanese Ships
AP Miike Maru

Allied Ships
SS KXI

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Sub attack at 26,55 NW of Borneo

Japanese Ships
SS I-165

Allied Ships
AP Ariadne Moller, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage (sunk)
MSW Whippoorwill


Allied ground losses:
144 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Hong Kong , at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 49
G4M1 Betty x 71
C5M Babs x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 30

Aircraft Attacking:
G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet

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Day Air attack on Alor Star , at 24,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3
Ki-21-II Sally x 51
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5
Ki-15 Babs x 3

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 27

Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 29,37


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 6
P-40B Tomahawk x 5


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
97 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th Brigade, at 43,59


Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3
B-17E Fortress x 3


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
B-17D Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st Tank Regiment, at 25,41

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 4

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
Blenheim I bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 168th Chinese Division, at 46,36

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 6
Ki-30 Ann x 33
Ki-51 Sonia x 16
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 26,44


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 8


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Minegumo
CL Sendai

Aircraft Attacking:
Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 43,58

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
B5N2 Kate x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Dumaguete, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 43,58

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Dumaguete, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on Hong Kong , at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 3
Ki-30 Ann x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Singora at 24,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 9

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF, near Singora at 24,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 9

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF, near Singora at 24,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 9

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

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Sub attack at 22,52 Off Palembang

Japanese Ships
SS I-122

Allied Ships
PC Raub, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage (sunk)

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ASW attack at 32,64 Off Balikpappan

Japanese Ships
SS I-160, hits 4, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Whipple
DD John D. Edwards
DD Edsall
DD Alden


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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6788 troops, 74 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 33901 troops, 100 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 30534 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 126096 troops, 555 guns, 47 vehicles



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Ground combat at Cagayan

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 19461 troops, 81 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

[Ron Saueracker]

Well, the pace of operations has obviously been reigned in with my hack job. Raising the load costs and lowering AK capacities was a bit too much![:D] Tony has had some interesting experiences this past 8 turns.

Course, they can all load in one turn with all their equipment, even across a beach. Did you like the Dunkirk high speed evac at Cagayan? No amount of fiddling is ever going to be able to fix that….

Well, I wanted to find a limit and have regarding fiddling with devices too much.[:D] Next run is going to be a test of El Cids supply sink idea with his aircraft and ship ratings I think.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/14/41

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Sub attack at 33,46 Off Camranh Bay

Japanese Ships
AP Ayaha Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
PC Hashidate
PC Ch 7
PC Ch 9
PC Chosa Maru

Allied Ships
SS Porpoise

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ASW attack at 25,55 NW of Borneo

Japanese Ships
SS I-165

Allied Ships
MSW Lark

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Sub attack near Toboali at 21,57

Japanese Ships
SS I-157

Allied Ships
MSW Alor

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Night Air attack on TF at 46,58 Off Leyte


Allied aircraft
PBY Catalina x 10


Allied aircraft losses
PBY Catalina: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Teiryu Maru
AP Shinwa Maru
AP Sangetsu Maru

Allied Ships: Night attacks always show/report the previous vessel attacked during turn...
MSW Alor

Aircraft Attacking:
PBY Catalina launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Naga at 44,53

Japanese Ships
CL Tama
DD Okikaze
DD Nokaze
DD Numakaze

Allied Ships
AK Governor Wright, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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Sub attack at 26,44 Gulf of Siam

Japanese Ships
AP Ayato Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Yamato Maru
PC Shumushu
MSW W.1
PC Tatsumiya Maru
PC Uji
PC Saga

Allied Ships
SS KXI

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Sub attack at 25,55 NW of Borneo

Japanese Ships
SS I-165

Allied Ships
AP President Madison, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AVD Childs


Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported

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ASW attack at 22,54 Off Palembang

Japanese Ships
SS I-122, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Evertsen
DD Van Nes

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Sub attack near Toboali at 21,57

Japanese Ships
SS I-157

Allied Ships
TK Augustina, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 8
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 14

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
Blenheim I bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Alor Star , at 24,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3
Ki-21-II Sally x 45
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4
Ki-15 Babs x 2

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 29,37

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 5

Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 168th Chinese Division, at 46,36 AVG spank some over zealous pidgeons.

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 8
Ki-30 Ann x 32
Ki-51 Sonia x 17
Ki-15 Babs x 1

Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 4 destroyed
Ki-30 Ann: 7 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged


Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Singora at 24,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF, near Singora at 24,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF, near Singora at 24,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on Wuchow , at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 4
Ki-30 Ann x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 4 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Singora , at 24,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 11

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged


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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6856 troops, 75 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 33856 troops, 103 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 30540 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 127092 troops, 561 guns, 48 vehicles

[Ron Saueracker]

For some reason Irrelevant evacuated his landing forces at Cagayan. I know Mindanao is scary these days but in 41 through the eyes of the Japanese beasties?[X(] Guess I'll have to get my Irfanview working and post some pics...kinda dry or what?[:D]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/15/41

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Night Air attack on Singora , at 24,43

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IF: 4 damaged

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
Blenheim IF bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Air attack on TF at 46,58


Allied aircraft
PBY Catalina x 7


Allied aircraft losses
PBY Catalina: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Haguro
CA Myoko

Aircraft Attacking:
PBY Catalina launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Sub attack at 46,48 NE of Luzon

Japanese Ships
AK Ronsan Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS S-40

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Sub attack at 25,43 Gulf of Siam

Japanese Ships
DD Kasasagi
DD Hiyodori
DD Ikazuchi

Allied Ships
SS KXII

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Sub attack at 25,55 N of Borneo

Japanese Ships
SS I-165

Allied Ships
AK Mayon, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PG Asheville


Allied ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on Burma Area Army, at 30,39


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 10


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hong Kong , at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-II Sally x 74
Ki-15 Babs x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged

Airbase hits 6
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Alor Star , at 24,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 8
Ki-21-II Sally x 70
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4
Ki-15 Babs x 8

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 1 damaged


Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 33

Aircraft Attacking:
Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 13th Division, at 47,34


Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 3


Allied aircraft losses
IL-4c: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 40th Division, at 47,34

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 2
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3

Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
IL-4c: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Manila at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
Ki-51 Sonia x 18

Allied aircraft
P-35A x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Magallanes, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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ASW attack at 25,55 NE of Borneo

Japanese Ships
SS I-165

Allied Ships
DD Pillsbury


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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 112392 troops, 571 guns, 49 vehicles

Defending force 33985 troops, 105 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 7)


Japanese ground losses:
875 casualties reported
Guns lost 16
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
449 casualties reported
Guns lost 9


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Ground combat at Ichang

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 74248 troops, 272 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 104410 troops, 454 guns, 100 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 30081 troops, 81 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 126552 troops, 544 guns, 47 vehicles

[tsimmonds]

For some reason Irrelevant evacuated his landing forces at Cagayan. I know Mindanao is scary these days but in 41 through the eyes of the Japanese beasties?

Ground combat at Cagayan

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 17414 troops, 61 guns, 16 vehicles

Defending force 22851 troops, 86 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 2)


Japanese ground losses:
899 casualties reported
Guns lost 14

Allied ground losses:
109 casualties reported

I attacked and bounced off, and it wasn't going to get any better any time soon, what with no shipping available to bring in any reinforcements. This force was originally headed for Davao, which in other scenarios is a worthwhile target; in CHS it's a 1 port 1 airbase IIRC; makes you wonder why IJN made it such a priority IRL.[8|]

[Ron Saueracker]

Missed a day. Not much happened anyway except for Tony "testing" what would happen if minelayers tried to mine the Bataan hex.[8D]Boom, boom, boom...
Lot's of sinking Japanese minelayers...[8D]

Don't forget, we are really just 'farting around".
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/17/41

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ASW attack at 28,55

Japanese Ships
SS I-121

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Night Air attack on TF at 45,47


Allied aircraft
PBY Catalina x 10


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PC Chiyo Maru
PC Akitsu Maru
MSW Banshu Maru #56

Aircraft Attacking:
PBY Catalina launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Sub attack near Toboali at 21,57

Japanese Ships
SS I-157

Allied Ships
TK Paula
MSW Alor

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Day Air attack on 15th Indian Brigade, at 24,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 7
Ki-21-II Sally x 21
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Ki-15 Babs x 3

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
140 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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ASW attack at 25,43

Japanese Ships
DD Samidare
DD Yudachi
DD Harusame
DD Murasame

Allied Ships
SS KXII, hits 2

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ASW attack at 46,48

Japanese Ships
PC Gamitsu Maru #1
PC Showa Maru #3
PC Kanko Maru
PC Busho Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-40

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ASW attack at 45,47

Japanese Ships
MSW Choun Maru #21
MSW Hinode Maru #20
MSW Musashi Maru
MSW Rokko Maru
MSW Toshi Maru #2
AK Tenryu Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-41

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ASW attack at 25,43

Japanese Ships
DD Samidare
DD Yudachi
DD Harusame
DD Murasame

Allied Ships
SS KXII, hits 1

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ASW attack at 46,48

Japanese Ships
PC Seisho Maru
PC Kure Maru #5
PC Chohakusan Maru
AP Gokoku Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-40


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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 142748 troops, 701 guns, 70 vehicles

Defending force 33398 troops, 97 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
314 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at Alor Star

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 99346 troops, 460 guns, 57 vehicles

Defending force 6204 troops, 17 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese assault odds: 96 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Alor Star base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
361 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Allied ground losses:
822 casualties reported
Guns lost 6


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Ichang

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 73502 troops, 253 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 95556 troops, 350 guns, 92 vehicles



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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 29638 troops, 83 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 166836 troops, 699 guns, 70 vehicles



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Ground combat at Kota Bharu

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5604 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 59098 troops, 306 guns, 57 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Kota Bharu

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 18272 troops, 101 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 5604 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)


Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
197 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

[rtrapasso]

Don't forget, we are really just 'farting around".

So, how does this mod feel to you (compared to the pace of the real events)??

[tsimmonds]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

Don't forget, we are really just 'farting around".

So, how does this mod feel to you (compared to the pace of the real events)??

This mod feels very much like wading thru molasses. My progress to date (12/19? 20?) is probably not far off of historical, but I suspect that I shall begin to fall behind here before too long. This is in the right direction for sure, but it went too far.

I would hate to be hobbled like this throughout my "expansion" phase, and then find myself on the receiving end of the usual 4E onslaught.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: irrelevant

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

Don't forget, we are really just 'farting around".

So, how does this mod feel to you (compared to the pace of the real events)??

This mod feels very much like wading thru molasses. My progress to date (12/19? 20?) is probably not far off of historical, but I suspect that I shall begin to fall behind here before too long. This is in the right direction for sure, but it went too far.

I would hate to be hobbled like this throughout my "expansion" phase, and then find myself on the receiving end of the usual 4E onslaught.

I think it is going to be difficult to keep very many bases adequately supplied in order to field the BS numbers of 4E bombers available in the stock scenario. This being CHS as well, the amount of 4E bombers is considerably less do to modified replacement rates etc. Can't see Darwin being the huge hornet's nest it is instock, that's for sure. Potential slaughterhouse for Allied shipping trying to keep it supplied.

[Ron Saueracker]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/18/41

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ASW attack at 25,44

Japanese Ships
PC Kongosan Maru
PC Aso Maru
APD Patrol Boat No. 2
APD Patrol Boat No. 1

Allied Ships
SS KXI

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Day Air attack on Hong Kong Fortress, at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-II Sally x 67

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 2 destroyed, 23 damaged


Allied ground losses:
119 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 8th Indian Brigade, at 24,45

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3
Ki-21-II Sally x 31
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
156 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 34

Allied aircraft
P-35A x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-35A: 1 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 4 destroyed


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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 155322 troops, 712 guns, 70 vehicles

Defending force 32908 troops, 92 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 6

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 6)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 6


Japanese ground losses:
1524 casualties reported
Guns lost 15
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
820 casualties reported
Guns lost 16


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Ground combat at Kota Bharu

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 58960 troops, 305 guns, 56 vehicles

Defending force 5080 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kota Bharu base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
634 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Ichang

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 73396 troops, 252 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 95628 troops, 353 guns, 91 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 28637 troops, 67 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 165478 troops, 689 guns, 68 vehicles



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Ground combat at Georgetown

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 18849 troops, 47 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 97414 troops, 435 guns, 57 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

[Ron Saueracker]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/19/41

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Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,39

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IF: 6 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
Blenheim IF bombing at 2000 feet
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Sub attack at 22,58

Japanese Ships
SS I-158

Allied Ships
DD John D. Ford

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ASW attack at 46,46

Japanese Ships
ML Shirataka

Allied Ships
SS S-41

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Day Air attack on 3rd/A Division, at 47,36


Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 3


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd/C Division, at 47,36

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 2

Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 4

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 52

Allied aircraft
P-35A x 1
P-40B Tomahawk x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-35A: 1 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

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Sub attack at 40,55

Japanese Ships
SS I-123

Allied Ships
AK Lepus


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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 153546 troops, 696 guns, 68 vehicles

Defending force 32163 troops, 80 guns, 1 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Japanese assault odds: 14 to 1 (fort level 5)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Hong Kong base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
1282 casualties reported
Guns lost 13
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
36078 casualties reported
Guns lost 43


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Ground combat at Georgetown

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 86478 troops, 439 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 19009 troops, 46 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
150 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Georgetown

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 18745 troops, 44 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 97686 troops, 439 guns, 57 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

[Ron Saueracker]

To anybody who cares...

Whenever you want to fix the Air ASW and air search routines in general will be fine by me. Not two weeks into the game the Allies have lost 4 subs to air ASW and have had at least another dozen damaged. Just lost three subs to this nonsense this last turn.

I've got B-17s on search at 50% search at 15,000 feet and they are clobbering ships every turn.

Apollo has tested this sufficiently and the number of folks mentioning this is high enough to warrant a readjustment of the gitch so to speak.

Here is the ops report....[8|]

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 12/19/41

Ki-51 Sonia reports suspected submarine at 25,43
Ki-21-II Sally sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 22,50 , Speed 7 , Moving Southwest
Ki-21-II Sally reports suspected submarine at 44,52
Ki-51 Sonia reports suspected submarine at 43,50
H6K4 Mavis reports suspected submarine at 48,66
G3M Nell reports suspected submarine at 32,47
G3M Nell reports suspected submarine at 36,43
G3M Nell reports suspected submarine at 30,47
B5N2 Kate reports suspected submarine at 48,66
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 48,66
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 48,66
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 5 Allied ships at 39,59 , Speed 13 , Moving Southwest
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 25,43
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 4 Allied ships at 43,52 , Speed 2 , Moving Southeast
E13A1 Jake has spotted Makassar at 22,50
E8N Dave reports suspected submarine at 25,43
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 25,43
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 44,52
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 6 Japanese ships at 46,47 , Speed 13 , Moving Northeast
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 11 Japanese ships at 46,53 , Speed 5 , Moving East
B-17E Fortress has spotted Sumire Maru at 46,53
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 5 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 2 , Moving Northeast
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 8 Japanese ships at 45,48 , Speed 7 , Moving Southwest
B-17E Fortress has spotted Saiho Maru at 45,48
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 4 Japanese ships at 45,54 , Speed 7 , Moving East
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 10 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 16 , Moving Northeast
B-17E Fortress has spotted Ch 3 at 47,45
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 9 Japanese ships at 45,54 , Speed 5 , Moving West
B-17E Fortress has spotted Tonan Maru #3 at 45,54
Tonan Maru #3 is reported HIT
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 16 , Moving Northeast
B-17E Fortress has spotted Kari at 47,45
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 6 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 11 , Moving Northeast
B-17E Fortress has spotted Takasago Maru at 47,45
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 10 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 13 , Moving Southeast
B-17E Fortress has spotted Suwa Maru at 47,45
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 47,44 , Speed 4 , Moving West
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 45,48 , Speed 12 , Moving East
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 5 Japanese ships at 45,54 , Speed 5 , Moving Southwest
B-17E Fortress has spotted Tama at 45,54
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 6 Japanese ships at 47,44 , Speed 27 , Moving West
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 45,47 , Speed 7 , Moving Southwest
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 10 Japanese ships at 45,48 , Speed 7 , Moving Southwest
B-17E Fortress has spotted Shogen Maru at 45,48
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 10 Japanese ships at 48,44 , Speed 5 , Moving East
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 4 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 10 , Moving Northeast
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 4 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 15 , Moving Northeast
B-17E Fortress has spotted Patrol Boat No. 32 at 47,45
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 9 Japanese ships at 45,48 , Speed 7 , Moving West
B-17E Fortress has spotted Azuma Maru at 45,48
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 10 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 11 , Moving Northeast
B-17D Fortress sighting report: 7 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 16 , Moving Northeast
B-17D Fortress has spotted Busho Maru at 47,45
B-17D Fortress has spotted Okuyo Maru at 45,54
B-17D Fortress sighting report: 9 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 6 , Moving Northeast
B-17D Fortress sighting report: 9 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 7 , Moving Northeast
B-17D Fortress has spotted Choun Maru #8 at 47,45
B-17D Fortress has spotted Kaijo Torakku SD-5 at 45,47
B-17D Fortress sighting report: 8 Japanese ships at 47,44 , Speed 4 , Moving West
B-17D Fortress sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 47,45 , Speed 2 , Moving Northeast
B-17D Fortress has spotted Ch 4 at 47,45
B-17D Fortress sighting report: 10 Japanese ships at 45,47 , Speed 2 , Moving Northeast
B-17D Fortress sighting report: 8 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 7 , Moving East
B-17D Fortress has spotted Sanyo Maru at 46,47
B-17D Fortress sighting report: 5 Japanese ships at 47,44 , Speed 8 , Moving Northeast
B-17D Fortress has spotted Kuma at 47,44
B-17D Fortress has spotted Ryuzan Maru at 45,48
B-17D Fortress sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 46,47 , Speed 12 , Moving Southwest
B-17D Fortress sighting report: 10 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 4 , Moving Northeast
B-17D Fortress has spotted Kakuzan Maru at 47,45
B-17D Fortress sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 44,46 , Speed 12 , Moving West
B-17D Fortress has spotted Asagao at 47,44
B-17D Fortress has spotted Yamaura Maru at 45,48
B-17D Fortress has spotted Natori at 47,45
B-17D Fortress has spotted Ryohu Maru at 46,53
B-17D Fortress has spotted Okuyo Maru at 45,54
B-17D Fortress has spotted Yamabuki Maru at 45,54
B-17D Fortress has spotted Komaki Maru at 47,45
B-17D Fortress has spotted Kaijo Torakku SD-5 at 45,47
B-17D Fortress has spotted Kinu at 47,44
B-17D Fortress has spotted Azumasan Maru at 47,45
B-17D Fortress has spotted Chuko Maru at 47,45
Catalina I sighting report: 6 Japanese ships at 24,43 , Speed 27 , Moving West
Catalina I sighting report: 4 Japanese ships at 24,43 , Speed 8 , Moving West
Catalina I sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 26,43 , Speed 3 , Moving East
Catalina I reports suspected submarine at 26,48
PBY Catalina has spotted Nihonkai Maru at 46,53
PBY Catalina has spotted W.9 at 47,45
PBY Catalina has spotted Kanko Maru at 45,54
PBY Catalina sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 37,41 , Speed 13 , Moving Northeast
PBY Catalina has spotted Isin Maru at 47,45
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 47,45 , Speed 2 , Moving West
PBY Catalina has spotted Kaijo Torakku SD-7 at 45,47
PBY Catalina has spotted Nichiryo Maru at 45,48
PBY Catalina sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 38,45 , Speed 2 , Moving West
PBY Catalina sighting report: 5 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 10 , Moving Northeast
PBY Catalina has spotted Patrol Boat No. 32 at 47,45
PBY Catalina has spotted Tohuku Maru at 47,45
G4M1 Betty sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 46,46 , Speed 4 , Moving Northeast
G4M1 Betty reports suspected submarine at 46,46
G4M1 Betty reports suspected submarine at 46,46
G4M1 Betty sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 47,47 , Speed 12 , Moving Northeast
G4M1 Betty attacking S-41 at 46,46
S-41 is reported HIT
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Wuchow
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Ichang
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Georgetown
C5M Babs takes recon photos of Tuguegarao
Ki-51 Sonia reports suspected submarine at 25,43
Ki-21-II Sally reports suspected submarine at 25,43
Ki-21-II Sally has spotted Makassar at 22,50
Ki-21-II Sally reports suspected submarine at 25,43
Ki-21-II Sally has spotted Makassar at 22,50
Ki-21-II Sally reports suspected submarine at 25,43
Ki-21-II Sally attacking KXII at 25,43
KXII is reported HIT
Ki-30 Ann attacking KXII at 25,43
Ki-21-II Sally reports suspected submarine at 25,45
Ki-21-II Sally reports suspected submarine at 46,46
Ki-30 Ann reports suspected submarine at 43,50
Ki-30 Ann reports suspected submarine at 46,46
Ki-51 Sonia reports suspected submarine at 43,50
Ki-51 Sonia attacking S-40 at 47,47
S-40 is reported HIT
G3M Nell reports suspected submarine at 32,47
B5N2 Kate reports suspected submarine at 34,46
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 45,63 , Speed 10 , Moving Northeast
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 46,66
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 46,66
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 40,74 , Speed 10 , Moving East
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 25,43
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 46,46
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 46,46
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 43,50
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 44,52
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 41,53 , Speed 11 , Moving Southwest
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 47,47
B-17E Fortress has spotted Manazuru at 47,44
B-17E Fortress has spotted Jinshu Maru at 47,45
B-17E Fortress has spotted Tama at 45,54
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 7 Japanese ships at 46,45 , Speed 3 , Moving Northeast
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 34,45 , Speed 6 , Moving Northwest
B-17E Fortress has spotted Sokuten at 34,45
Sokuten is reported HIT
B-17E Fortress sighting report: 4 Japanese ships at 47,45 , Speed 9 , Moving Northeast
B-17E Fortress has spotted Kyo Maru #3 at 47,45
Kyo Maru #3 is reported HIT
B-17E Fortress has spotted Hayakafuku Maru at 47,45
B-17E Fortress has spotted Tenyo Maru at 47,45
B-17D Fortress has spotted Asakaze at 46,47
B-17D Fortress has spotted Murasaki Maru at 46,53
B-17D Fortress has spotted Miyadono Maru at 45,54
B-17D Fortress has spotted W.14 at 47,45
B-17D Fortress has spotted Kaijo Torakku SD-7 at 45,47
Kaijo Torakku SD-7 is reported HIT
B-17D Fortress has spotted Sensan Maru at 45,48
B-17D Fortress has spotted Risen Maru at 48,44
B-17D Fortress has spotted Syoryu Maru at 45,48
B-17D Fortress has spotted Chiyo Maru at 45,47
B-17D Fortress has spotted Sanuki Maru at 46,47
B-17D Fortress has spotted Kakyu Maru at 47,45
B-17D Fortress has spotted Aiyo Maru at 47,44
B-17D Fortress has spotted Kaijo Torakku SD-7 at 45,47
B-17D Fortress has spotted Tsubame at 47,45
B-17D Fortress has spotted Sanyo Maru at 46,47
B-17D Fortress has spotted Okuyo Maru at 45,54
B-17D Fortress has spotted Choun Maru #8 at 47,45
B-17D Fortress has spotted Kaijo Torakku SD-15 at 47,45
B-17D Fortress has spotted Ussuri Maru at 47,44
B-17D Fortress has spotted Myoken Maru at 45,48
B-17D Fortress has spotted Minekaze at 47,44
B-17D Fortress has spotted Kaijo Torakku SD-7 at 45,47
Kaijo Torakku SD-7 is reported HIT
B-17D Fortress has spotted Nanka Maru at 47,45
B-17D Fortress has spotted Pacific Maru at 47,45
Catalina I sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 24,43 , Speed 8 , Moving Southeast
PBY Catalina has spotted Kanko Maru at 47,45
PBY Catalina has spotted Kenshin Maru at 45,48
PBY Catalina has spotted Patrol Boat No. 39 at 46,46
PBY Catalina has spotted Tonan Maru at 45,54
PBY Catalina has spotted W.11 at 46,47
PBY Catalina has spotted W.14 at 47,45
PBY Catalina has spotted Hatsushima at 44,46
PBY Catalina has spotted Patrol Boat No. 32 at 47,45
PBY Catalina has spotted Kamikaze Maru at 45,48
SOC-3 Seagull reports suspected submarine at 34,64
G4M1 Betty attacking S-40 at 47,47
S-40 is reported HIT
G4M1 Betty reports suspected submarine at 46,46
G4M1 Betty reports suspected submarine at 47,47
G4M1 Betty reports suspected submarine at 46,46
G4M1 Betty reports suspected submarine at 47,47
G4M1 Betty reports suspected submarine at 46,46
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Wuchow
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Ichang
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Hong Kong
FO Crain, F. of 21st Fighter is credited with kill number 3
PO2 Hayashi, S. of F1/Tainan Daitai is credited with kill number 2
FO Crain, F. of 21st Fighter is credited with kill number 3
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of Lingayen

[Ron Saueracker]

Well, even though this was a test we did not get to test much because of yet more buggy/wonky behavior. Tony can't unload airgroups from AKs and his repalcement aircraft are disappearing with pilots like a few builds ago. Looks like this dog is off to the farm.[:@]

[tsimmonds]

B-17D Fortress has spotted Kaijo Torakku SD-7 at 45,47
Kaijo Torakku SD-7 is reported HIT
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B-17D Fortress has spotted Kaijo Torakku SD-7 at 45,47
Kaijo Torakku SD-7 is reported HIT

B17 barge boppers at 15k feet! YOW!

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: irrelevant

B-17D Fortress has spotted Kaijo Torakku SD-7 at 45,47
Kaijo Torakku SD-7 is reported HIT
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B-17D Fortress has spotted Kaijo Torakku SD-7 at 45,47
Kaijo Torakku SD-7 is reported HIT

B17 barge boppers at 15k feet! YOW!

This just goes to show that the air search issues are not confined to just ASW. These B-17s are getting high up in experience and it is causing some whacked out results. When one can turn a naval search mission into something more effective than strike missions (with no real counter) there is obviously a problem.

Can you post a pick of the ships damaged the last few turns by B-17s on naval search? The search missions never flew below 15000 feet and were only at 50%. Considering only the survivors from turn 1 were flying (perhaps a dozen B-17s) the damage being done was over the top.