Long lances hurt

[Alikchi2]

I was just surfing around today when I stumbled upon this picture of the USS Minneapolis after Tassafaronga:



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The caption reads: "The USS Minneapolis after losing her bow to a Japanese torpedo at the Battle of Tassafaronga, Dec. 1942."

Just how this ship did not sink I do not know! Ford builds 'em tough, I guess.

[Big B]

Amazing eh? It also shows how tough the New Orleans class was to take that kind of damage and survive.

Check out the picture of New Orleans after a Long Lance one of those nights - same situation only 'A' turret is also missing...





Durability only 40 eh? Whatever....[8|]

[Dereck]

Just how this ship did not sink I do not know! Ford builds 'em tough, I guess.

Probably because of the one thing some people here don't agree with: superior American damage control. The American Navy trained damage control just like the Army and Marines trained rifle practice.

Good damage control DID make a difference.

[ChezDaJez]

Good damage control DID make a difference.

Yup, and the US proved that fact time and time again.

BTW, did you ever go through the DC trainer? I never did but I did get to observe it once. Seemed to be pretty realistic.

Chez

[GaryChildress]

And USS Pitsburgh lost its whole bow in a typhoon coming home just after the war ended IIRC.

[Dereck]

ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez

Good damage control DID make a difference.

Yup, and the US proved that fact time and time again.

BTW, did you ever go through the DC trainer? I never did but I did get to observe it once. Seemed to be pretty realistic.

Chez

I had to go through the regular DC that everybody on a ship had to. Also, since I was the flight deck photographer, I also had to go through flight deck qualifications. Also went to firefighting school like everybody else too.

When I was in the reserves the unit I was at did a weekend at Norfolk and went to the damage control simulator there and you could tell who were former "fleet sailors" and who were new reservists who never served in the fleet. When the flooding part started they went ape-s**t trying to plug the leaking pipes while us fleet sailors went under the water looking for the shut off valves before we took care of fixing the holes [:D]

They were also aghast when we told them that you put ANYTHING in a hole in the side of a ship -- even a dead body of a sailor if that was all you had to plug the hole.

[Terminus]

Hey, better to use one dead body to plug a leak, than create a whole slew of new dead bodies when the ship sinks...

[demonterico]

ORIGINAL: Alikchi

I was just surfing around today when I stumbled upon this picture of the USS Minneapolis after Tassafaronga:



[X(]

The caption reads: "The USS Minneapolis after losing her bow to a Japanese torpedo at the Battle of Tassafaronga, Dec. 1942."

Just how this ship did not sink I do not know! Ford builds 'em tough, I guess.

I have just three words for you; Watertight bulkhead doors.

[barnacle bob]

I loved DC. I even volunteered to be my division’s DCPO (the LPO normally assigned it as punishment). Normally a man was DCPO for six months. I did it for eighteen.

[Knavey]

I was assigned to DC central for GQ. Was pretty interesting knowing where the "damage" the ship was taking was at.

Never did the DC simulator, but did the FF simulator in Norfolk, and then also did an industrial FF school when I worked in LA. THAT was the most intense firefighting school you can probably go to barring the real deal.

Watertight doors...yup, they are one of those things that you take for granted, hate when you bang your shins or head on them, but if the real deal was to happen and you need them, they are worth every scrape and bruise that you had to put up with.

[Dereck]

ORIGINAL: Knavey

I was assigned to DC central for GQ. Was pretty interesting knowing where the "damage" the ship was taking was at.

Never did the DC simulator, but did the FF simulator in Norfolk, and then also did an industrial FF school when I worked in LA. THAT was the most intense firefighting school you can probably go to barring the real deal.

Watertight doors...yup, they are one of those things that you take for granted, hate when you bang your shins or head on them, but if the real deal was to happen and you need them, they are worth every scrape and bruise that you had to put up with.

I remember firefighting training in boot camp. I swear they tried to kill us. When we had firefighting training after joining the fleet at Yokosuka Naval Base it was actually enjoyable (though still hard work). We weren't boot camp scum then but fellow fleet sailors and that really made a difference how they treated you.


I never banged my head on the doors but I always had bruises on my shins from the knee-knockers continuously.

[Knavey]

TR only went to a real GQ one time when I was on her. It was during Desert Storm, and somehow the Iraqi's managed to put some planes in the air that were heading straight into the Persian Gulf. Gotta remember that you could have walked to Iran on the ships that were parked in the Gulf, and so there was a bit of concern about something like that happening. I remember lying in my rack about midnight, and hearing them say launch the alert-5 aircraft, and about 15 seconds after that, the GQ alarm went off.

Of course, no one really knew what was going on, but 200 guys scrambling out of their racks and trying to get out of the berthing area at the same time sure was fun. One of the first guys out was running so fast that he smashed his head into one of the watertight doors and it laid knocked him out. Luckily, one of the medical stations was about 5 feet away so they just dragged him over there and no one really even missed a beat.

Think the Air Force guys got the Migs, and we all went back to sleep.

And so ends my only real GQ. [:D]

[Ron Saueracker]

I agree that the Allies had better damage control but seriously, the progressive flooding thing is over the top. My PBEM opponent just lost CS Chitose to flooding in Palau after being hit over a week ago.[8|] Could/should there not be some check that allows the crew to stop the flooding permanently? The japanese are simply treated like retards with this model.

[Skyros]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Could/should there not be some check that allows the crew to stop the flooding permanently?

Its called scuttling.

[Damien Thorn]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

I agree that the Allies had better damage control but seriously, the progressive flooding thing is over the top. My PBEM opponent just lost CS Chitose to flooding in Palau after being hit over a week ago.[8|] Could/should there not be some check that allows the crew to stop the flooding permanently? The japanese are simply treated like retards with this model.

Yeah, I'm convinced that even when you turn off the Allied bonus damage control option that the Japanese still have some sort of penalty comapred to the Allies. If you have a ship taking ANY flodding it is going to sink eventually if you don't get it to a port. Very irritating.
I understant WPO have the exact same damage control for both sides. It sure would be nice if we could transfer that code into WitP (for when the Allied advantage option wasn't chosen).

[John 3rd]

Ron and Damien--I TOTALLY agree with you. I have spoken on this topic several times in the last few days. The Japanese MUST have some sort of penalty. In my AAR John vs. Wolfpack, I am fighting to save CVL Zuiho at Palmyra nearly 10 days after taking ONLY ONE 1000lb bomb! No matter what I do, the ship is SLOWLY sinking.

There should be some sort of single roll made where either the flooding is stopped or it sinks. Simple as that!

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Ron and Damien--I TOTALLY agree with you. I have spoken on this topic several times in the last few days. The Japanese MUST have some sort of penalty. In my AAR John vs. Wolfpack, I am fighting to save CVL Zuiho at Palmyra nearly 10 days after taking ONLY ONE 1000lb bomb! No matter what I do, the ship is SLOWLY sinking.

There should be some sort of single roll made where either the flooding is stopped or it sinks. Simple as that!

No doubt someone is going to say 'Get an AR or two over to the port immediately." Point is, this is not the point. The point is the progressive flooding model is brutally offbase by having crews incapable of shoring bulkheads, stemming flooding etc.

[Admiral DadMan]

Progressive flooding seems to last longer than a slow deep soft wet kiss...