More Frustration with BUGS

[Dereck]

Not only do you have to deal with 1) pilot replacements drying up (hopefully fixed), 2) ships being taken over by enemy officers, 3) staff officers with no attributes taking over units, 4) the remove VADM Halsey code getting you ...

NOW you have to also deal with your units being attached to commands you DIDN'T attach them to. Matrix, CALL TERMINEX because you need someone to exterminate these bugs!!!

[DuckofTindalos]

Has the Santee ever been to Australia?

[Dereck]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Has the Santee ever been to Australia?

No

[dtravel]

Someone tried to "explain" this when it was reported earlier. The claim was that a change was made in one of the patches to change "Independent" command units to some other command so that they could draw planes and pilots properly.

[Mike Solli]

Just be careful where you move them. I dropped some CV units in Japan to disband some replacements into them. The next turn they were HDF. I had to change them to a non restricted command to load them back on the CV. I now drop them, disband and load them back into the CV in the same turn.

"You live and learn, or you don't live long." - Lazarus Long [:D]

[Tankerace]

When a carrier is in a harbor, the airgroups will switch from independent to the harbors command. Fas as I know, its been that way since day 1...., not sure why its suddenly a problem...

[Mike Solli]

I don't think its a problem - unless the harbor is a restricted command.

[Dereck]

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

When a carrier is in a harbor, the airgroups will switch from independent to the harbors command. Fas as I know, its been that way since day 1...., not sure why its suddenly a problem...

Maybe because I never docked any of my escort carriers in Australia at all. Only ports they've ever docked at has been either Central or South Pacific after leaving the West Coast.

[Ron Saueracker]

About to lose a substantial force (3 brigades) to the 59/60 movement problem. Land combat and movement is less than acceptable. Needs some sort of consistency.

[dtravel]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

About to lose a substantial force (3 brigades) to the 59/60 movement problem. Land combat and movement is less than acceptable. Needs some sort of consistency.

The program is very consistent. Murphy's consistency, in fact.

[pasternakski]

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

When a carrier is in a harbor, the airgroups will switch from independent to the harbors command. Fas as I know, its been that way since day 1...., not sure why its suddenly a problem...

Nothing sudden about it, TA. It's always been a problem, but other problems have been more severe, and have, therefore, drawn more "ink."

This is just more evidence of how goofy this whole game system is. You would expect carrier airgroups to be assigned to that carrier as their "command" when still on board. But no. The "fixers" apparently decided that the stopgap "assign them to the port's command" idea was superior to actually addressing the problem. Just one of dozens of instances of nonsense in this game system. If the air group is assigned to a land command, what does that say about command and control as a viable element of the UV/WitP system? What is the role of on-ship air commanders (like Genda) of anything in this game, then? Gofers who get the refreshments for the next staff meeting in the wardroom?

I'm sorry. I'm getting to where I hate it.

[Tankerace]

Not saying its not frustrating, but was just making the point it isn't something new that has cropped up.

I never run into it, as I dock all my carriers at Pearl before sending them to their respective theaters, thereby negating the problem.

[EUBanana]

ORIGINAL: dtravel

Someone tried to "explain" this when it was reported earlier. The claim was that a change was made in one of the patches to change "Independent" command units to some other command so that they could draw planes and pilots properly.

Happened to me in my Simon Prior game.

Two CVs worth of fighters switched to New Zealand Command while the CVs were docked at Auckland.

Had to change them all to SWPAC just in case, and two carriers worth of fighters was a pretty hefty chunk of PP to lose in April 1942.

[bradfordkay]

"Maybe because I never docked any of my escort carriers in Australia at all. Only ports they've ever docked at has been either Central or South Pacific after leaving the West Coast."

Are there not several South Pacific ports assigned to Australia Command? Could this be the source of the switch?

[AmiralLaurent]

It seems to me that air units of restricted command may be loaded on CV for free... At least the "bug" reported above never hindered me to load back CV units, even if they changed command, and without paying PPs.

[bradfordkay]

I was thinking that, as long as you don't remove the air units from the carrier (which I haven't since UV days due to the unit growing larger than the carrier could handle), who cares what command to which it is attached?

[doktorblood]

Have you ever taken the group off this CV?

[Dereck]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

"Maybe because I never docked any of my escort carriers in Australia at all. Only ports they've ever docked at has been either Central or South Pacific after leaving the West Coast."

Are there not several South Pacific ports assigned to Australia Command? Could this be the source of the switch?

I only docked in Noumea and it is assigned to South Pacific command.

[Dereck]

ORIGINAL: doktorblood

Have you ever taken the group off this CV?

No. Except for a few VBF squadrons that overloaded fleet carriers prior to their "reshuffling" to the proper configuration I never fly any groups of carriers or any ships for that matter.

[Black Mamba 1942]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I was thinking that, as long as you don't remove the air units from the carrier (which I haven't since UV days due to the unit growing larger than the carrier could handle), who cares what command to which it is attached?

It "DOES" matter if the program switches CV groups to a restricted command.[;)]
Any other command, and it wouldn't matter at all.[;)]