Japanese Merchant Shipping

[Black Mamba 1942]

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

BS is French? Dang it all - I thought for sure it was an American term. Our bulls have got to be bigger than French bulls - don't they? Especially our Texas bulls. A French bull might compare favorably to a California bull - them Cal-i-forn-ian folks are always trying to keep everything organic. Worried about meat bi-products and such. Nope, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure BS ain't no French phrase. I'll for sure as My Great Grandpappy - heck, he probably invented the phrase. [:D]

Now that's funny![:D]

I think it's the second half, after bull, thats French.[:D]
Let's face it. Nobody herds cattle like Texans do.[;)]

[Black Mamba 1942]

ORIGINAL: el cid again

The game only represents about half the total tonage of merchants Japan had during the War, and far fewer Hull's than she realy had. If anything shes geting screwed.

Two points:

1) Japan never devoted enough ships to her economy - not as many as planned - and never imported enough - even though there was more than enough to import. To WIN Japan needs to give more ships to this purpose.

2) The game lets Japan (and the allies ) ride free on local supplies generated at resource centers in a grossly distorted way.


Another issue is that ships are way too range/fuel efficient, and ports vastly unlimited in cargo capacity. I can fix all but the latter.

I guess to some players of this game a Japanese invasion force of 50 AP's and 75 AK's in early '42' seems normal.

In a pigs eye.[:D]
Is that a French saying too?[;)]

[durnedwolf]

Black Mamba 1942 said:

I guess to some players of this game a Japanese invasion force of 50 AP's and 75 AK's in early '42' seems normal.

In a pigs eye.
Is that a French saying too?

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Bwaaa-ha-ha-ha! That phrase comes from Mississippi - the Pork-Belt of the US of A. [:D]They make some mighty fine BBQ in Ol' Miss.

Now you might-coulda heard it in the French quarter of New Orleans - but they most likely heard it from true Mississippians. [;)]

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: Black Mamba 1942

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

BS is French? Dang it all - I thought for sure it was an American term. Our bulls have got to be bigger than French bulls - don't they? Especially our Texas bulls. A French bull might compare favorably to a California bull - them Cal-i-forn-ian folks are always trying to keep everything organic. Worried about meat bi-products and such. Nope, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure BS ain't no French phrase. I'll for sure as My Great Grandpappy - heck, he probably invented the phrase. [:D]

Now that's funny![:D]

I think it's the second half, after bull, thats French.[:D]
Let's face it. Nobody herds cattle like Texans do.[;)]

Yup - I called up my Great Grandpappy on the cell-u-lar phoney; he confirmed that Texan Bulls are bigger then them "Le Bulls" from France. He's also pretty sure the phrase BS was invented by Texan Cowboys - it's why they wear them boots that go up dang near to a rider's knee. Texan Bulls, when they gotta drop a load, drop a mighty big load - don'tcha know.

Cowboy boots were made to protect a Texan from gettin' squishy socks from a mis-step, so to speak. Apparently, back in my Great Grandpappy's day, Texan Cowboys were afeared of dying with there boots on. And the Mothers of Texan Cowboys were always checking to make sure that if they died or had an accident they had clean shorts and - yup - you guessed it - clean socks! [:D]

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: CobraAus

Sampans, nows there's somthing I didn't consider.
They would've been mostly economic though.
Fishing and light cargo transportation.

Xmas Present Junk-Sampan

Cobra Aus
Don't forget they were used to patrol the coast of Japan defensively as well. ![:)]

[Tristanjohn]

ORIGINAL: Black Mamba 1942

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

BS is French? Dang it all - I thought for sure it was an American term. Our bulls have got to be bigger than French bulls - don't they? Especially our Texas bulls. A French bull might compare favorably to a California bull - them Cal-i-forn-ian folks are always trying to keep everything organic. Worried about meat bi-products and such. Nope, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure BS ain't no French phrase. I'll for sure as My Great Grandpappy - heck, he probably invented the phrase. [:D]

Now that's funny![:D]

I think it's the second half, after bull, thats French.[:D]

The second part undoubtedly is French, but we found poetic use for it!

Let's face it. Nobody herds cattle like Texans do.[;)]

Actually, I've heard that many outbackers down under do herd sheep similarly . . . or was that somewhat "familiarly"?

[String]

ORIGINAL: Black Mamba 1942

ORIGINAL: el cid again

The game only represents about half the total tonage of merchants Japan had during the War, and far fewer Hull's than she realy had. If anything shes geting screwed.

Two points:

1) Japan never devoted enough ships to her economy - not as many as planned - and never imported enough - even though there was more than enough to import. To WIN Japan needs to give more ships to this purpose.

2) The game lets Japan (and the allies ) ride free on local supplies generated at resource centers in a grossly distorted way.


Another issue is that ships are way too range/fuel efficient, and ports vastly unlimited in cargo capacity. I can fix all but the latter.

I guess to some players of this game a Japanese invasion force of 50 AP's and 75 AK's in early '42' seems normal.

In a pigs eye.[:D]
Is that a French saying too?[;)]

Teehee.. I used over 300 transports to invade New Caledonia in late 42. + the whole combined fleet. I was suffering fuel problems in the south pacific area for the next 3-4 months. Despite assigning all and any TK's I could find (and later even AK's) I couldn't transport enough fuel down there and the problems only stopped when I pulled back most of the combined fleet.

Who was saying that the japs don't suffer from fuel problems?

[Black Mamba 1942]

This is one of the reasons that I'd give up some historical accuracy in favor of play balance.
In this game the massing of everything is possible.
Allowing the unplausable application of a lot of units.

Off note.[;)]
I'm attempting to offset this for my own scenario.
My opinions are in no way directed towards Matrix and their efforts.
After almost a year and a half after release, WITP still has some major quirks.
I am hopeful that Matrix is focusing on resolving some of these.
By fixing these bugs it might give this game a boost in sales after all this time.
I hope Matrix considers this.[;)]

[Brady]

"This is one of the reasons that I'd give up some historical accuracy in favor of play balance."

...........

The game is rife with playbalance mechanism's, Zero Bonious, Allied Heavy Bomber's and the ship killing abalitys, their Bigger bombs for such atacks exc, P-38 availabality in the stock scenarious,Allied ground units available sooner than they would be historicaly, their are many more...

The shiping isue is just not realy even an isue imo, as noted above Japan merchant fleat is realy shorted in a big way in the stock game, in total tonage and in Hull's.

Also again, if you play the game unhistoricaly your going to see unhistorical results.

[tsimmonds]

Speaking as one who plays IJ exclusively, it is my opinion that there is too much transport capacity for IJ, both AP and AK. I have never felt constrained in any way at any time, whether playing a stock scenario 15, or a mod that cut the capacities of all AP/AK in half. There was still plenty of capacity to do whatever I wanted to do as I wanted to do it. Just MHO.

[Black Mamba 1942]

See?
I knew there was at least "ONE" player who knew what I was trying to say.[:D]