Player defined Upgrades

[Captain Ed]

It is Nov 42 in my PBEM I am the Japanese. We are playing with PDU`s on. My Strategic plan was to isolate the Phillipines and move on to other conquest`s first, going back to the Phillipines later. So far it has worked more or less to plan. I am now in the process of preparing for an invasion of the Phillipines. As such a bombing campaign has begun for about a month, so far no cap has appeared, since my opponent either transferred them out or we destroyed the units on Clark field back in Dec 41. Now all of a sudden P38 Gs
appear with the 6th Fighter sgd out of Clark field. There is no base close enough for the group to fly in so I am assuming they were a few Pilots left over from Dec 41 as the 6th starts the game in Clark. The PDU has allowed P-38G`s to materialize in the Phillipines with a unit that was manually upgraded to them. Another reason to really consider the ramification`s of PDU`s in this game.[:@]. I am supposing the planes could come from China a long shot at best where else could the planes come from. The PDU portion of the
game I am assuming does not need to trace an actual flight path to anywhere at least that is what I am seeing. As the Japanese player I also am upgrading my units but since all my units are within a flight path to Japan I do not know if this assumption is correct.[&:]

[Nikademus]

could have been either.

If the base in question has 20,000 supply and there are enough P38's to fill out the air unit's full TO&E, it could upgrade.

Or, they could have been flown in from China. P40's can do it. P-38's have greater range.

[Feinder]

They'd have to have the requisite 20k supplies; it won't let you upgrade unless you fulfill the requirements for replacements. If it's Oct '42, I seriously doubt he's got 20k supplies in Manila, esp if you hold the resouces at Ling and Clark.

20 to 1 he flew them in from China.

-F-

[Mynok]

Don't worry about it. They are just P38's. Wait until all his fighter groups are Corsairs.

[Nikademus]

[:D]

[Ron Saueracker]

Hmmm...just another supply oriented fubar.[:D]

[Nikademus]

[8|]

[mogami]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Hmmm...just another supply oriented fubar.[:D]

Hi, Just another assumption based on opinion and not facts. What if the group was raised in Karachi and moved via airfields from China? Kinda kills the supply fubar notion or do you object to supply in Karachi being used for aircraft upgrades?

How about we ask the Allied player how P-38 arrived in PI before we go to work?

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Captain Ed

The PDU portion of the
game I am assuming does not need to trace an actual flight path to anywhere at least that is what I am seeing.

This has nothing to do with PDU. All upgrades work on supply available as others have pointed out.

[Spooky]

This P-38G squadron was transfered from Northern Australia (Darwin) to the PI

ORIGINAL: Mogami

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Hmmm...just another supply oriented fubar.[:D]

Hi, Just another assumption based on opinion and not facts. What if the group was raised in Karachi and moved via airfields from China? Kinda kills the supply fubar notion or do you object to supply in Karachi being used for aircraft upgrades?

How about we ask the Allied player how P-38 arrived in PI before we go to work?

[Nikademus]

Sounds like someone made a false assumption [again]

[:)]

[Captain Ed]

Ouch I did not realize they had that kind of range that is 23 squares Darwin to Davao.

[Bradley7735]

9*4 is 36. So, they probably went to clark directly, instead of stopping at Davao first.

[Feinder]

The A6M2 transfers 33 hexes.

The B-24 has a transfer range of 43.

The Emily can transfer 74.

And the B-29 can transfer 81!

[X(]

Massive transfers like that will (litterally) kill a squadron tho.

Either way. I'm really surprised he's got an asset like P-38s operating in the PI. I can't remember the effects of supply (or lack thereof) on CAP. But it's probably not good. I'd be afraid that the AF would get closed with few supplies, and suddenly you have a squadron of P-38s just waiting to get squashed.

-F-

[Captain Ed]

My gawd. The allied air power superiority at this stage of the war is really being felt now.
I should have taken the Phillipines historically, oh well live and learn. A question to anyone how far have you got in your games with PDU`s on.

[mogami]

Hi, For effective CAP you need the base to have required supply. For offensive missions you need more. (2x required supply in order to get level bombers to fly)
CAP each fighter expends 1/3 of a supply point to fly. Bombers spend their bomb load/1000 in supply all other missions expend 1 supply point per ac per mission

The more you fly from a base the higher the required supply goes making further missions harder (the 2x limit goes up) so unless new supply is coming the missions will decline as supply aviable decreases.

[Banquet]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

The more you fly from a base the higher the required supply goes making further missions harder (the 2x limit goes up)

I didn't know that. What's the definition of 'the more you fly'? Every day, once a week, etc?

[mogami]

Hi, The supply a base requires is calculated by what the LCU there require and the rate supply is being consumed by operations (air missions, ships rearming fueling) So the more active a base is the higher the required supply goes and the higher 2x required supply goes. A base will not issue supply to units if it has less then it's required supply.
Only supply in excess of 2x required can be used to replace TOE/Aircraft/upgrade TOE

[bradfordkay]

"My Strategic plan was to isolate the Phillipines and move on to other conquest`s first, going back to the Phillipines later. So far it has worked more or less to plan. I am now in the process of preparing for an invasion of the Phillipines. As such a bombing campaign has begun for about a month, so far no cap has appeared, since my opponent either transferred them out or we destroyed the units on Clark field back in Dec 41."





Captain Ed, is it true that you have yet to invade the Philipines in this game? If there has been no action there, they haven't been using up all the supplies that are being created at Clark. If I am reading things correctly, you spent quite some time ignoring the PI, since his aircraft had been destroyed in the first few days. He has probably used only the absolute minimum in supplies in that interim, so I wouldn't be surprised if Manila has enough for replacements to be showing up now that he does have a/c there.

[Captain Ed]

Yes it is true. I tried to go after OZ early and got stomped for my efforts. I could not believe how fast he got troops to northern OZ. Although I did get Burma and Malasia rather early. And Also Midway, Palmyra,Canton Island and Pago Pago. I figured that by Isolating the Phillipines I could come back later. Trouble is it is too much later.[:(]