Dai Toa Senzo - Chuck vs Pat - CHS 155 allied side

[kfmiller41]

Please feel free to post any ideas you want, we are all learning things in this game. It has way to many things to know for anyone to know it all[:D] Even post silly things, sometimes you need a good laugh

[ctangus]

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Gettting the dutch ML's to diamond harbour is good imo too .. you can heavily defend the east coast of india and ceylon too.as you seem to be doing rather well .. also dutch subs O19 and o20 are great minelayers too .. just ask Miller ( KEN ) .. he's been troubled by my mining at random in the DEI ..

There's a couple more Dutch MLs in CHS, with all sorts of different endurance ratings. The ones with the longer legs are now in the Indian Ocean. The ones with less range are mining key areas in DEI.

Personally the 25th at PH i split in 3 .. one to palmyra/midway/jhonson is .. respectively .. also bring in one div from the US so you have at least 2 in PH just in case of a suprise invasion .. after june 42 your pretty safe imo and them move all but one out to where you need /want more troops.

I did more or less the same but palmyra/johnston/canton. An inf regiment from the west coast will land at Midway in 2 days, along with some much needed supply.

Yikes .. you are getting beaten horribly in the PI in the air .. get them out

You might be right. He'll most likely attack again tomorrow- I'll see where we stand there. I do have 32 P-40es in the pool right now, but might use 24 of them to fill out/upgrade the AVG squadron that got eaten up over Singapore.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: ctangus

12/17/21 - 12/21/21

Haven't updated this in a few days. I didn't realize how much work an AAR was. [:)]

Generally, it's still going well in my estimation. Most the action is still in DEI and around Malaya.

CENT PAC

KB's disappeared now. Last spotting 6 days ago. Probable location: ??? My best guest is it's replenishing and then going to wreak havoc where I least want it.

The first supplies are now unloading at Pearl.

Today (12/21) a Jap transport TF, reported as 4 ships - 3 AKs, is spotted 300 miles due west of Palmyra! I have units in Pearl prepping to reinforce there, but no ground units sent yet.

I did send 6 PTs there early, and they should arrive tomorrow.

A squadron of A-20s was sent from Pearl to Palmyra - set at naval attack 2000 feet. Sara, who'd been resting at Pearl a few days, is heading south at full speed. 2 days away, though.

I'm also sending some of the APs I'd been holding back on the West Coast to Pearl. If I lose Palmyra I want to re-take it within 2 weeks.

SO PAC

Mostly been quiet. The expected invasion at Luganville hasn't materialized yet.

A (very small) surface TF is ready to respond to invasions there or at Ndeni.

Lady Lex & Enterprise are in the area. Currently steaming NW, in the hopes of wreaking some havoc around the Solomons or Rabaul. A couple oilers are loading at Darwin & Wellington to refuel them - it's starting to get a little low. I'll probably send them to Australia soon to refuel/replenish and upgrade Lexington's Buffalos. I haven't been monitoring the F4F-3 pool closely though, and it's down to 4 planes, replacing at 1 per month! F3F-4s don't appear until January - I won't be able to upgrade the Buffalos until 10 Jan.

Once that's done I'm not sure if I'll send them towards DEI or back towards CENT PAC. I'll make the decision depending on where they could do the most good.

SW PAC

Pretty quiet. With Hudsons flying from Port Moresby, I've sunk a couple APs docked at Lae.

I've also landed an Australian Independent Co. at Milne Bay. While they'll do no real good defending, once he spots a unit there, he may either hesitate in attacking or commit more forces than he really needs - slowing him down elsewhere.

DEI

This is where it starts to get interesting.

For a couple days I try to force surface combat with Force Z against a strong Jap surface TF. (1 CS, 6 BBs, 1 CA, 1 CL, 6DDs). We finally engage off Timor:

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12/20/41
Night Time Surface Combat, near Lautem at 33,77
Japanese Ships
CS Chiyoda, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Nagato, Shell hits 8
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 2
BB Ise, Shell hits 1
BB Hyuga
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Haguro, Shell hits 1
CL Kinu
DD Oyashio
DD Hatsukaze
DD Natsushio
DD Amatsukaze, Shell hits 1
DD Mikazuki
DD Kuretake, Shell hits 4, on fire
Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales
BC Repulse, Shell hits 9
CL Danae, Shell hits 4, on fire
CL Dragon, Shell hits 1
DD Tenedos
DD Vampire, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Electra, Shell hits 1
DD Edsall, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD John D. Edwards
DD Whipple
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The next day:

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12/21/41
Day Time Surface Combat, near Lautem at 33,77
Japanese Ships
BB Nagato
BB Mutsu
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro
CA Haguro
CL Kinu
DD Oyashio
DD Hatsukaze, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Natsushio
DD Amatsukaze
DD Mikazuki
Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 1
BC Repulse, Shell hits 1
CL Dragon, Shell hits 1
DD Tenedos
DD Electra, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD John D. Edwards, Shell hits 1
DD Whipple
=============================================

POW didn't fire a single 14" round!

CL Danae is at 41/17/3 steaming towards Scerabaja. DD Electra at 40/28/29 is headed there too. I'm worried about DDs Vampire & Edsall (52 & 77 Flt) - currently headed towards Kendari.

Force Z is headed W towards Koepang to replenish. 1 CA, 1 CL & 4 DDs are steaming full spead to reinforce. If he hangs around I want to try to force a surface action again. I know he's low on main gun ammo.

The Dutch TBs are also sent to Koepang, in case he comes at me there tomorrow.

On the plus-side, not only did I hit CS Chiyoda in the surface action (a 15" from Repulse if IIRC) but I've also hit her with 3 250" bombs from Hudsons at Amboina. She's split from the rest of the group, heading towards Palau. 2 Dutch Martin squadrons are reinforcing the Hudsons at Amboina. I also have a surface forces headed to her likely destination next turn.

Elsewhere in the DEI, Jap bombers from Palembang are making Batavia untenable and I've pulled back most air squadrons from ther.

PHIL

I flew P-40s from Manila on naval attack for 3-4 days. They scored a number of hits on DDs and transports in the area. Certainly not fatal, but maybe it will force some yard time.

He's sent a couple lone ground units towards Clark Field (a tank unit and an artillery unit.) They both retreated on their own.

I sent the two Phil Divs at Naga to attack SE at Legaspi. Two days ago I shock attacked at 1-1. I was starting to reinforce, but have decided against it and am retreating to my original positions. I don't want to get cut off in that area. Maybe it will make him respond to me, though.

Instead I'm sending the 2 US tank battalions at Clark towards Tuguegarao. There's no Japanese reported there currently (probably faulty intel). Nonetheless, I'm going for it - this early in the game, still, if I can make him react to me I'm slowing him down elsewhere.

MALAYA

Operation Kitchen Sink is still proceeding well. My last retreating units reach Johore Bahru tomorrow. He shock attacked a few days ago with these results:

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12/17/41
Ground combat at Johore Bahru
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 17722 troops, 101 guns, 57 vehicles
Defending force 21552 troops, 123 guns, 4 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese ground losses:
922 casualties reported
Guns lost 11
Vehicles lost 2
Allied ground losses:
242 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 1
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However, he's continuing to land as many reinforcements as he can, and now has parts of 17 units there. I'd love to attack him & retreat him - it would slow him down immensely - but I'm not sure I'll have the strength to. From his e-mails I know he's worried. Suggestions welcomed on this. His disruption must be high & supplies low, but he now has more troops than me.

With subs & PTs I've scored a number of hits on his transports. 2 or 3 sank with troops onboard. [:)]

Both Johore Bahru & Singapore can support TBs again. They're heading back there.

CHINA

I've repulsed two shock attacks at Yenan. Otherwise quiet.

BURMA

I now have 3 brigades at Moulmein and a 4th a day away. Supplies are unloading both at Moulmein & Rangoon. If he arrives piecemeal I believe I can hold there a while. If he arrives all at once I'm probably in trouble.

Hard to imagine the flagship of Force Z,or any of the BBs in the TFs, not even firing,eh? This is the dreaded arbitrary "off doing something else" feature they added to get a little variance into the combat.[8D] Does not work very believably in my opinion.

[ctangus]

12/30/41

CENT PAC

A bombardment TF of mine is bombed 240 miles west of Canton Island. CA Indianapolis takes 4 bombs. She's at 51/13/21. Should live without further hits, but will need some yard time. I just wanted to get some recon on the area. [:'(] He's got a handful of zero's & nells in the area.

SO PAC

I have KB precisely located. See picture.

Pat's still unloading at Luganville & Lunga but still hasn't taken the bases.

Enterprise & Lex dock at Sydney. There was enough fuel to (almost) fill up the Enterprise TF. I'll keep Lex & escorts in Sydney for a few days until I can upgrade her Buffalos to F4F4s.

DEI

Jap landing at Sorong. I'm sending a CA, CL & 4-5 DDs to the area from Kendari. I'm pretty sure baby KB's up near Mindanao.

Japanese transports, with a strong surface combat TF nearby, are sptted north of Kuching, headed SW. It must be another Borneo landing.

PHIL

He's landed at some of the little islands now. I currently outnumber him in Iloilo and am counter-attacking there.

My cut-off tank battalions have already recovered their disruption & still have some supply left. They will shock attack again today. Banzai! (There should be a US equivalent [:)])

We continue to exchange bombardments at Clark Field.

MALAYA

I'm still throwing anything that can carry a torpedo at Johore Bahru. I've sunk & damaged a ton of shipping, but it's starting to take it's toll on me as well. I'm down to 1 squadron of 6 vildebeests. 3 dutch and 1 brit sub are disbanded at Singapore, repairing flt damage (mostly from air attacks) and will be out of action a couple months after that.

On the plus-side: no subs lost anywhere yet. I just sent a full squadron of Swordfishes to Bankha. (I'm taking your advice a day too late, Rob.) 6 more PTs arrive at Singapore tomorrow. (I've now lost 5 of the original 6 I sent there.)

BURMA

A Japanese division arrives at Moulmein. As I hoped, he's coming piecemeal. B17s, Bleinheims and Hudsons will bomb that div, hopefully getting the disruption high because I'm following it up with a deliberate attack by the 4 brigades I have there. Crossing my fingers that Jap reinforcements don't arrive yet. If I could force that div to retreat...

[ctangus]

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[vertical]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker



Hard to imagine the flagship of Force Z,or any of the BBs in the TFs, not even firing,eh? This is the dreaded arbitrary "off doing something else" feature they added to get a little variance into the combat.[8D] Does not work very believably in my opinion.

I know what you're referring to Ron, but if it was hit isn't this not the case? If it was the off doing something else thing, it shouldn't have even been able to be hit, right? Methinks it was something else.

But I'm just a noob.

vertical

[ctangus]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Hard to imagine the flagship of Force Z,or any of the BBs in the TFs, not even firing,eh? This is the dreaded arbitrary "off doing something else" feature they added to get a little variance into the combat.[8D] Does not work very believably in my opinion.

Actually, it's those damned Brits and their refusal to keep their ships dry. The captain, a lush, has now been drawn, quartered and sentenced to listening to Queen all day in the company of nuns. [;)]

I was disappointed she didn't engage. C'est la vie.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: vertical

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker



Hard to imagine the flagship of Force Z,or any of the BBs in the TFs, not even firing,eh? This is the dreaded arbitrary "off doing something else" feature they added to get a little variance into the combat.[8D] Does not work very believably in my opinion.

I know what you're referring to Ron, but if it was hit isn't this not the case? If it was the off doing something else thing, it shouldn't have even been able to be hit, right? Methinks it was something else.

But I'm just a noob.

vertical

How many rounds were there? Each round is seperate from the others and a roll is made to see which ships are involved.

Leaders have too much impact in the combat, and perhaps the game. In the latest instance in my game vs Bill a solitary wrecked and flaming ship surprised the same TF during the day that had crippled it and reduced it to flotsam the night phase prior. So, a leader can overcome another leader despite the fact that the ship under him is incapable of any action. This leader fixation probably had some weird affect on your battle too.

[vertical]

One round only. I stand corrected. [&o]

vertical

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: vertical

One round only. I stand corrected. [&o]

vertical

So POW did not fire BUT was hit anyway. Wow, this is screwier than I thought.

[ctangus]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

ORIGINAL: vertical

One round only. I stand corrected. [&o]

vertical

So POW did not fire BUT was hit anyway. Wow, this is screwier than I thought.

Hi Ron,

I agree the results of this one action are screwball.

For what it's worth (probably not much) I consider discrepancies like this something like going to the beach on a nice summer day with a six pack and a cute date, and getting bit by a mosquito. Annoying, but it doesn't ruin the overall experience. Not like getting stung by a jellyfish! [:)]

[ctangus]

Hi vertical,

Thanks for reading. I just noticed you started an AAR using the same scenario. I'll be following.

I love the banner! [:D]

[ctangus]

The game's slowed down some. Pat's been busy (me too) & he wants to take more time with the next turn. I think he's re-evaluating his strategy.

With the first month done, I'll post some summary reports.

12/31/41

CENT PAC

I send my bombardment TF in. Results:

12/31/41
Naval bombardment of Canton Island, at 100,100
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
H6K4 Mavis: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
CA Louisville
Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8

Later in the day Louisville takes a bomb from a Nell. The whole idea was probably a mistake. I now have 2 cruisers that need some yard time and didn't inflict any worthwhile damage. I've probably now tipped him off that I consider Canton Island important. Oh well.

SO PAC

Pat is continuing to land troops at both Luganville & Lunga. It's been about 5 days & he hasn't attacked either. He either only landed base forces & is waiting for infantry to follow up, or he's trying sucker-punch me - give me an inviting target & pounce with KB. I'm ready to send Enterprise from Sydney for a quick raid, but until I spot KB I won't.

DEI

Baby KB announces its presence. It's roughly halfway between Manado & Sarang, where Jap troops continue to land. The AVD I forgot to sail yesterday was sunk by Baby KB today. Damn admirals refusing to relay my orders again. [;)]

2 squadrons of A-24 Dauntlesses are almost at full strength after transporting by rail to Darwin. I'll keep them in reserve for now - I'd love to have a chance to send them against Baby KB if he comes close to Amboina or Kendari. Either that or a juicy invasion TF.

There's an invasion TF, with a strong surface TF escort (7 BBs reported?) about to land at either Kuching or Pontianak. The 2 TIVa squadrons are sent to Kuching - maybe they'll make him pay a little.


PHIL

I shock attack with my cut-off tank batallions. 0-1. [:(] I didn't have much hope, but it would have been nice.

I also shock attack at Iloilo:

12/31/41
Ground combat at Iloilo
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 2292 troops, 37 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 626 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Allied assault odds: 56 to 1
Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

[&:] Well, with those odds, I'll continue tomorrow.

MALAYA

Quiet for once. We bombard eachother at Johore Bahru. He's no longer trying to unload anything there.

I've now fully evac'd the 8th Indian Brigade from Singapore, on the way to Port Blair. It had the lowest AV of all infantry in Malaya (so it won't hurt the Malaya defense much), but should have some time to build up at its new location.

BURMA

I attack his Div at Moulmein:

12/31/41
Ground combat at Moulmein
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 14184 troops, 153 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 26733 troops, 296 guns, 0 vehicles
Allied assault odds: 0 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Allied ground losses:
282 casualties reported
Guns lost 10

My hopes for forcing him retreat are pretty much gone. I still plan to hold at Moulmein for a little while. We'll see.

[ctangus]

Intelligence screen: Note, I'd be ahead in both naval & air losses if you take PH out of the equation.

[ctangus]

Cruiser losses:

[ctangus]

Destroyer losses:






Not shown - 3 Jap subs & 0 allied subs lost to date.

[ctangus]

Air losses:

[ctangus]

1/1/42 - 11/1/42

Gawd - I haven't updated this in a dog's age. I promised myself I'd update it yesterday. Almost made it on time.

CENT PAC

Mostly quiet. About 4 days ago a sub torpedoed an AK west of Canton Island. I want to keep both supplies & reinforcements away from there and have a (very) small picket line west of Canton & 1 sub at the island itself.

Today he occupied Baker Island.

Major reinforcements arrived today at San Francisco, including the last elements of my invasion to re-take Canton Island. They will sail today to PH and combat load there with the other elements. As long as I know KB's away, my invasion will take place about 10 Feb.

SOUTH PAC

Again a little quiet, but only just.

He's now taken Luganville. A couple days ago I sent a surface TF there with these results:

01/08/42
Night Time Surface Combat, near Luganville at 71,111
Japanese Ships
DD Kasasagi, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Hiyodori, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
DD Kari, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Kiji, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kongo Maru
AP Murasaki Maru
AP Nati Maru
AP Nishiki Maru
AP Ryohu Maru
AP Sumire Maru
AP Tamaki Maru
AP Aiyo Maru
AP Taganoura Maru
AP Zukai Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
AK Kaisho Maru
AK Utide Maru
AK Holland Maru
Allied Ships
CA Canberra, Shell hits 3
CL Perth
DD Le Triomphant

Kiji is reported sunk later. DD losses are now 4 allied vs. 15 Japanese. [:)]

He's also advancing towards those little islands north of Suva & took one of them. The surface TF, reinforced with a couple DDs, is heading in that direction. I hope to hit an invasion TF. In a few days it'll head north to support the Canton invasion.

Two brigades of the 2nd USMC Div have now fully landed at Suva. The third (which I have prepping for Nandi) I diverted to Fiji. I feel fairly secure in both locations now.

KB headed towards this area recently. By just one day I missed losing Enterprise - It was sailing E from Sydney back towards Cent Pac. I noted a Val spotting a transport near Norfolk Island and then diverted a little. Had I continued on my course Enterprise would have been a mere 120 miles away from KB. I'm still sending Enterprise E, but between the two New Zealand Islands. KB was spotted today between Noumea & Luganville, heading toward the latter. It's the best option for me - I have transports unloading in the Fiji Islands and another about to unload at Norfolk Island. I'm not sending the surface TF back to Luganville.

SW PAC

He sent a full division to take Port Moresby & it succumbed 2 days ago.

DEI

He's landing at both Amboina & the little base SE of that. He took the latter. He's covering these with both a strong SF TF & Baby KB.

The former I still hold, but probably not for long. I'm sending subs there to evacuate cadres. I also sent some divebombers there a few days ago, but with little results:

01/07/42
Day Air attack on TF, near Amboina at 40,74
Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 4
Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 2
A-24 Dauntless x 20
Japanese aircraft losses
A5M4 Claude: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
A-24 Dauntless: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AK Genmei Maru
AP Sangetsu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Nissho Maru
MSW Tomozono Maru #3, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Wa 10
Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported

While I probably waited too long, I'm sending some of the Dutch units in unimportant bases to Timor - mostly Koepang. I'm also reinforcing a couple other locations with those units.

MALAYA

Three days ago:

01/08/42
Ground combat at Johore Bahru
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 121812 troops, 963 guns, 243 vehicles
Defending force 29253 troops, 130 guns, 4 vehicles
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2
Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0
Japanese ground losses:
4313 casualties reported
Guns lost 77
Vehicles lost 8
Allied ground losses:
2044 casualties reported
Guns lost 28
Vehicles lost 1

After that I start retreating all my units to Singapore.

Two days ago:

01/09/42
Ground combat at Johore Bahru
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 116353 troops, 810 guns, 237 vehicles
Defending force 14939 troops, 43 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0
Japanese ground losses:
380 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 5
Allied ground losses:
1058 casualties reported
Guns lost 10

About half my force is gone, but he does worse. He must have been fairly well disrupted and/or out of supply. He took Johore Bahru today, but all my units had successfully retreated to Singapore.

BURMA

I'm holding at Moulmein:

01/03/42
Ground combat at Moulmein
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 47739 troops, 465 guns, 23 vehicles
Defending force 17831 troops, 138 guns, 4 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese ground losses:
2851 casualties reported
Guns lost 56
Vehicles lost 3
Allied ground losses:
115 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Vehicles lost 1

The forts are now up to 3. His reinforcements are slow to arrive & I have another brigade there now. I hope to hold another couple weeks or so. It will give me time to better prepare my deeper defenses in Burma.

CHINA

Main action is 60 miles W of Nanching:

01/04/42
Ground combat at 47,38
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 59622 troops, 270 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 38223 troops, 272 guns, 3 vehicles
Allied assault odds: 35 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
776 casualties reported
Guns lost 23
Allied ground losses:
1121 casualties reported
Guns lost 17
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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01/03/42
Ground combat at 47,38
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 46759 troops, 408 guns, 26 vehicles
Defending force 69132 troops, 274 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
6092 casualties reported
Guns lost 86
Vehicles lost 12
Allied ground losses:
95 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Even though I don't really know what I'm doing here, I'm pleased with the results. [:)]

OVERALL

I'm pleased with how I'm doing so far. I'm continuing to strike at his flanks successfully. While he's taken a lot of territory, he's also taken a lot of losses and I should be able to retake a lot soon. At the same, after I retake Canton Island (crossing fingers) and secure the supply lines to OZ a littl more I don't know what I should do.

[vertical]

Hmm, last response I wrote seems to have not made it, so sorry if I double post.

Your opponent is much more aggressive than me. It's 1/12/42 and I just started invading British Borneo (Kuching) and started probing the DEI with mini-KB. I like to mass my forces, though. What are your carriers doing? Have you or your opponent lost any CVs yet?

Keep up the AAR when you can, interesting reading for me.

[ctangus]

He has been quite aggressive in this game, but he's starting to play a little more cautiously and is covering his major invasions with both surface & CV support now. I think it's going to backfire on him, as he's taken heavy losses & I think I'll be able to re-take his furthest conquests in the first half of 42. (After Canton Island, I'm tentatively planning to invade Noumea, unless he reinforces it heavily. Maybe in April or May.)

No CVs lost yet, or damaged. I did sink one CS early in the game. Right now Yorktown & Sara are resting in Pearl. I'm planning to keep them there and use them to support my Canton operation. Enterprise just topped off at Wellington and is headed towards Cent Pac for the same reason. Lexington is in Sydney. I just upgraded her Buffalos to F4F4s. I want to send her on a diversionary raid somewhere in DEI or near Port Moresby - I want to draw KB away from Cent Pac. Not sure exactly where yet and I'm keeping her in port until most of the F4F4s have repaired.