Oil Fields Damage...

[fabertong]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

You are correct....i personally like to turbocharge my Ritz crackers with sharp cheddar.

Dem's good eat'in

Obviously, I prefer a fish type turbocharger for my Ritz.....have you tried a smoked oyster? Though the smell in the cockpit might prove a bit of a problem.

[Nikademus]

[pauk]

back to the original question... the worst case is when your opponent abandoned base with oilfields and you did not capture with troops but it turns into yours control automaticly (base xyz occupied by the Japanese...or something like this)... you will get base with 100 % damaged oil...

It happens to me in the China (base was K....something west of the Yenen)...

[Ron Saueracker]

I think it was Mogami who mentioned that a certain percentage of supply at a base gets destroyed when captured. I can't find any reference to this anywhere...

[AmiralLaurent]

ORIGINAL: pauk

back to the original question... the worst case is when your opponent abandoned base with oilfields and you did not capture with troops but it turns into yours control automaticly (base xyz occupied by the Japanese...or something like this)... you will get base with 100 % damaged oil...

It happens to me in the China (base was K....something west of the Yenen)...

??? It seems to me that when a base changes side like that will be intact: fuel and supplies remaining at same level, HI not halved and so on. In my own experience I have seen it only in Rangoon and all was fully intact.

About Pauk's case, you should own Kungchang and then the nearby Lanchow (with oil) changed sides.

[pauk]

ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent
About Pauk's case, you should own Kungchang and then the nearby Lanchow (with oil) changed sides.

You are right, i've checked (never bordered with chinese map)

ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent

??? It seems to me that when a base changes side like that will be intact: fuel and supplies remaining at same level, HI not halved and so on. In my own experience I have seen it only in Rangoon and all was fully intact.

Ahhhh... that's famous Pauk Curse!....[X(] As you can see i've repaired only 7 oil so far (lack of supply)...

Hm.... i should never go to casino... i've alyays got bad dice roll

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: fabertong

Is there any truth to the rumour that the Zero was at first called The One....but was downgraded after failing to live up to expectations?

Do you mean The Nun? Oh wait, wrong thread.

[Oznoyng]

You can go to a lot of effort, and still have Oil damaged badly as Japan. Nothing is guarenteed. The following is the log of attacks I conducted on Palembang in a PBEM. I brought the kitchen sink along for the attack(2 Divisions, 11 Tank Regiments, 3 Engineer Regiments, 10 Artillery, and an HQ). Before attacking, I attacked from the air 7 times, conducted 3 Naval Bombardments, and 3 Land bombardments. My assault odds on my attack were 15 to 1. Palembang was captured with all but 1 Oil center damaged.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/02/42

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Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55

Japanese aircraft
C5M Babs x 6
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 22
Ki-21 Sally x 105
Ki-46-II Dinah x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 12 damaged


Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 61

Attacks to disrupt engineers.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/03/42

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Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55

Japanese aircraft
C5M Babs x 5
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 23
Ki-21 Sally x 96
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 42
Attacks to disrupt engineers.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/04/42
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Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55

Japanese aircraft
C5M Babs x 7
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 23
Ki-21 Sally x 101
Ki-46-II Dinah x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 22
Attacks to disrupt engineers.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/05/42

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Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55

Japanese aircraft
C5M Babs x 6
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 23
Ki-21 Sally x 99
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 6 damaged


Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 41

Attacks to disrupt engineers.
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Ground combat at Palembang

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 58718 troops, 818 guns, 7 vehicles

Defending force 20588 troops, 126 guns, 19 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
378 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 1
Bombardment attack begins.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/06/42
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Naval bombardment of Palembang, at 20,55 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

3 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
CL Abukuma, Shell hits 1
CL Kinu
CL Yura
CL Jintsu
CL Sendai
CA Kako
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Ashigara
CA Chokai
CA Maya
CA Atago
CA Takao
CA Chikuma
BB Ise
BB Fuso
BB Nagato


Allied ground losses:
1824 casualties reported
Guns lost 35
Vehicles lost 16

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 104
Port hits 15
Port fuel hits 18
Port supply hits 16
Attacks to disrupt engineers.
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Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55

Japanese aircraft
C5M Babs x 6
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 22
Ki-21 Sally x 73
Ki-46-II Dinah x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 35
Attacks to disrupt engineers.
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Ground combat at Palembang

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 59622 troops, 853 guns, 7 vehicles

Defending force 17366 troops, 75 guns, 6 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
223 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Attacks to disrupt engineers.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/07/42

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Naval bombardment of Palembang, at 20,55

Japanese Ships
CL Abukuma
CL Kinu
CL Yura
CL Jintsu
CL Sendai
CA Kako
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Ashigara
CA Chokai
CA Maya
CA Atago
CA Takao
CA Chikuma
BB Ise
BB Fuso
BB Nagato


Allied ground losses:
242 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Runway hits 44
Port hits 6
Port fuel hits 6
Port supply hits 10
Attacks to disrupt engineers. Note that guns did not fire back.

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Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55

Japanese aircraft
C5M Babs x 5
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 27
Ki-21 Sally x 76
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 21
Attacks to disrupt engineers.
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Ground combat at Palembang

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 56060 troops, 852 guns, 7 vehicles

Defending force 17201 troops, 74 guns, 10 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
288 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Attacks to disrupt engineers.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/08/42

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Naval bombardment of Palembang, at 20,55

Japanese Ships
CL Abukuma
CL Kinu
CL Yura
CL Jintsu
CL Sendai
CA Kako
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Ashigara
CA Chokai
CA Maya
CA Atago
CA Takao
CA Chikuma
BB Ise
BB Fuso
BB Nagato


Allied ground losses:
63 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 15
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1
Attacks to disrupt engineers.
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Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55

Japanese aircraft
C5M Babs x 6
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 28
Ki-21 Sally x 102
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 36
Attacks to disrupt engineers.
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Ground combat at Palembang

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 90261 troops, 861 guns, 1392 vehicles

Defending force 16892 troops, 70 guns, 10 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 8

Japanese assault odds: 15 to 1 (fort level 8)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Palembang base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
419 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Vehicles lost 7

Allied ground losses:
3620 casualties reported
Guns lost 30
Vehicles lost 4


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
As you can see, I had good odds. Despite pre-attack bombardments of all kinds(aerial, naval, ground) and overwhelming odds, Palembang taken with total losses on oil centers. I mean total. 1x(699). What's worse, oil is supposed to be stockpiled, yet there was less than 3 weeks production in the stockpile, so my advice is not to wait to take oil centers. This was a HUGE disappointment and caused radical restructuring for me. I handled it, but this was definately not good news.

[Nikademus]

ouch.....maybe it was the Shock attack...

[Przemcio231]

Thanks i will try to go for Palabang Quikly[:)]

[ChezDaJez]

You are partially correct in that USN and USAAF cupholders were built to superior design specifications.

That explains the fast roll rates, US aircraft rolled so fast that the coffee didn't have a chance to spill out. Course, that was before they invented the sippee lid! Then they could roll at their leisure and not lose any! [:D]

Its a good thing that the US put an embargo on japan before the war started. That stopped the export of Starbuck's to Japan otherwise they would have had a huge advantage. As it was, it was a pretty close thing until the expresso guy got steamed and they couldn't train any replacements fast enough!

Chez

[ChezDaJez]

You can go to a lot of effort, and still have Oil damaged badly as Japan. Nothing is guarenteed.

The only thing that I could think of here is that you failed to cut off the coffee supplies. I've heard Javanese coffee is almost as good as Columbian. [:D][:D][:D]

CHez

[tsimmonds]

Thanks i will try to go for Palabang Quikly

Watch out for those B17s flying from Batavia or Singapore....if they get a few day's worth of bombing in, it won't matter whether the oil fields were intact when you captured them.

[Nikademus]

yeah! some dishonorable players unsportingly bomb the hell out of Palembang once it falls.

[:D]

[Nikademus]

and proud of it!


Kaaaa..CHING! $$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Mike Solli]

Capitalist scum.[:'(]

[Mynok]

Be careful of that money stuff. Women love it and won't leave without it.

[Speedysteve]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

yeah! some dishonorable players unsportingly bomb the hell out of Palembang once it falls.

[:D]

[8|]

Capitalist scum indeed[:D]

[Nikademus]

[Mynok]

Was someone a little too speedy in his capture of Palembang? [:D]