fragmented LCU's

[AirGriff]

I know it's in the manual, but I can't seem to find the answer. If you have a fragmented unit you evac'd from somewhere (like Singapore or the PI) and the main part of the unit is subsequently lost in action, does the full unit regenerate at some point. I'm trying to evac some guys via submarine and I think I need about 200 subs to get the whole unit off. Am I wasting my time tying up all these subs, or should I be out patrolling?

[Mike Solli]

If a unit has a fragment and the parent unit is destroyed, the fragment will turn into the parent unit and, eventually, with accept replacements on, grow to it's full strength.

Personally, I don't remove fragments. I think it's gamey. If you don't want to lose a unit, don't put it where it can be lost.

[AirGriff]

I suppose you're right. Still, I'm pretty desperate right now. Plus, I'm only evacuating 2 or 3 units.

[Mike Solli]

I play the Japanese exclusively. Even though the US subs don't hit much, with enough of them out there, they'll eventually hit something. If I saw a bagillion subs all converging in one spot, I'd pretty much think something was up. I'd do everything in my power to get some ASW assets there to screw it up. Subs don't hit aircraft with their AA guns much. It would be pretty much one sided damage. I do anything I can to sink Allied subs. They will cause a lot of grief later in the war.

[AirGriff]

Yeah, as soon as I get done with these evacs I'll send them out on patrol. Which brings up another point. I thought Dutch and Brit subs were not subject to the dud rule like US subs (and I think I remember someone saying the S-Boats didn't use the bad torps, either), but it sure seems I get a lot of duds out of those, too.

[Mike Solli]

I think you're right about the Dutch and British subs. Maybe the S boats too. You'll have to wait for an Allied player to confirm it. As the good guys, [:D] I try to squash every boat I can, regardless of nationality.[:D]

[AirGriff]

As well you should, sir. Part of the reason I'm doing the transport (and minelaying) missions is to keep my subs undamaged while they still suck at torping things.

[medicff]

ORIGINAL: AirGriff

As well you should, sir. Part of the reason I'm doing the transport (and minelaying) missions is to keep my subs undamaged while they still suck at torping things.

Good ideas. Keep your subs safe for later in the war. Use as scouts to find incoming ships (farther out the PBY's usually patrol but not too near his bases). I evac some troops but only with AK's full loads. It can still be a fragment but it is significant and represents a real attempt to evac troops (aka dunkirk). If it gets too hot in an area (ASW task forces) move them somewhere else.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

If a unit has a fragment and the parent unit is destroyed, the fragment will turn into the parent unit and, eventually, with accept replacements on, grow to it's full strength.

Personally, I don't remove fragments. I think it's gamey. If you don't want to lose a unit, don't put it where it can be lost.

It was gamey when LCU replacements did not dilute the exp level of the unit. I move fragments all the time now that replacements do dilutle the exp level of LCUs.

[bigT74]

That is good news. I am in the same situation as airgriff, with many evacuated, fragmented allied LCU's scattered around the map.

[ADavidB]

ORIGINAL: AirGriff

Yeah, as soon as I get done with these evacs I'll send them out on patrol. Which brings up another point. I thought Dutch and Brit subs were not subject to the dud rule like US subs (and I think I remember someone saying the S-Boats didn't use the bad torps, either), but it sure seems I get a lot of duds out of those, too.

That was, unfortunately, true in Gary G's Pacwar, but not in WitP. Brit, Dutch and all US subs have the "dud rule" applied in 1941/42. And if the Allied player is particularly deluded and allows the so-called "Allied sub doctrine" to be turned to "on", the Allied subs won't even try to shoot their duds in 1942...

Good luck -

Dave Baranyi