Frustration... can any one help...

[Feinder]

Hawker, I think the reason that most Japanese PBEM player put less emphasis on DEI early, is because the Dutch happily stack the oil and resources for you. It actually works in their benefit to not initially push hard in DEI.

Take the jewel Palembang. If you do nothing in DEI, it accumulates what, 700 oil a day? It just stacks neatly on the docks. The faucets cannot be turned OFF. If you go for Palembang quickly, maybe you don't have the resources to pulverize the engineers well enough. They demolish half the facilities. It would have been better to let the Dutch stack the oil neatly for you, until it is ready to be captured. Furhermore, if you capture Palembang before Java, every Allied B-17 is bomb the crap out of the place.

Japan has enough stocks for several months. Most PBEM opponents will use those stocks to capture places that they could not have otherwise, if they waited until DEI was secure (ex. Port Moresby, Noumea, etc).

The forces in DEI aren't going anywhere (restricted command). You do have to keep the Allies from reinforcing DEI, but you don't actually have to CAPTURE much of it early on. I have one opponent that didn't invade anything but Malaya and PI until mid-March.

It's not historical, but it works.

-F-

[Mike Solli]

Try 4200 oil per turn. I captured Palembang in Mar 42 and there was some 300k oil there. I can't ship it out fast enough.[:D] The only reason I waited so long was to ensure there weren't any Allied air bases in striking range of Palembang. I like to take the DEI as soon as possible because that leaves me more time to ship the stuff to the Home Islands before the US subs become effective.

[hawker]

Hawker, I think the reason that most Japanese PBEM player put less emphasis on DEI early, is because the Dutch happily stack the oil and resources for you. It actually works in their benefit to not initially push hard in DEI.

Take the jewel Palembang. If you do nothing in DEI, it accumulates what, 700 oil a day? It just stacks neatly on the docks. The faucets cannot be turned OFF. If you go for Palembang quickly, maybe you don't have the resources to pulverize the engineers well enough. They demolish half the facilities. It would have been better to let the Dutch stack the oil neatly for you, until it is ready to be captured. Furhermore, if you capture Palembang before Java, every Allied B-17 is bomb the crap out of the place.

Japan has enough stocks for several months. Most PBEM opponents will use those stocks to capture places that they could not have otherwise, if they waited until DEI was secure (ex. Port Moresby, Noumea, etc).

The forces in DEI aren't going anywhere (restricted command). You do have to keep the Allies from reinforcing DEI, but you don't actually have to CAPTURE much of it early on. I have one opponent that didn't invade anything but Malaya and PI until mid-March.

It's not historical, but it works.

-F-

You have the the right Feinder,as always[&o]
Reason why i so obssesed with DEI is because,in all my games(and i played much so far) i always get under pressure with oil/resources. If i have enough,i am scared,if i have less,i am scared. Thats is OBSESSION by oil/resources.
Look my adventure in Russia against GH,i even less care about VPs. I want Komsomolsk industry(880 HI),i want Okha(440 oil),etc...

[Feinder]

Hawker - You have the the right Feinder,as always

Can you tell my wife that? She seems to think otherwise.

[;)]

Glad to help.

-F-

[racndoc]

Two thoughts initially on this matter from a strategic point of view:


1) I doubt that the Japanese would have gone heavily into Burma before capturing Singapore

2) Its just as dangerous for the Japanese to leave an UNDAMAGED level 6 airfield in their rear in 1942 as it is for the Allies to leave an undamaged level 6 airfield in their rear in 1944.

[Tophat1815]

I don't see your problem. The Allies have parked a sizeable amount of their airpower within your grasp,stop complaining and take the opportunity for what it is and blow the living crap out of him!Its january 42' You OWN HIM!

[Kapten Q]

ORIGINAL: Przemcio231

Well thanks for the Tips but i try to play this game kind of historicaly "do not coun't the early multiply landings[:D] so i do not mass my Airplanes into gigantic 200 planes Strikes or hundreds of fighters on Cap... it just don't give me any pleasure[:D][:D] The other thing about Singapore is that my Ground troops are Beasiging the place so hmmm when i set bombardment attack it should also do some damage to the Air base there... and on the other hand what commander would send his planes into a besiged island doomed to fall... As for the BB thing hmmm 2 my BB's were hit by torpedos so i kind of watch what im doeing[:D] and as for Upgrading Claudes to Zeros im producing over 220 Zeros a month and its still not enugh[:(]

I't looks like your opponent is not thinking the way you do.

He started it, now go and spank his behind. It's januari 42 after all!

[Przemcio231]

Well it will be difficoult as most of my Zeros are destroyed on the Airfiled... so tough luck[:@] I just can't play the way he dose with stacking most of my Air force in One or two Places... the game should prohibit that from happening like putting all 4E from the whole map in one place... or emptying most of your bases to stack you air force in one or two bases... grrrr and the thing that pisses me of is that my ground units are in singapore and when the bombard attack the do not damage the Airbase...

[niceguy2005]

Prezemcio, it's just a little hard to understand how Japanese forces can have their backs to the wall in Feb 1942. I agree with the poster above. You HAVE to go after this airfield while all his planes are there. Historically the Japanese were always looking for a decisive battle. You have the makings of one at Sing. Bring in the KB if you have to and smash the air field. Once the AF is potholed his planes will be grounded and you can bring in your bombers to finish them off. You simply must adjust to what he is doing.

[Tophat1815]

Do you mean to say that you have lost almost 200 Zero's? What is your Zero production rate? 104 amonth? 124? what? have you converted the Home defense claude squadrons? Have you used political points to transfer them to southeast command? Are you using Khota Baru?

[alfrake]

ORIGINAL: Przemcio231
I just can't play the way he dose with stacking most of my Air force in One or two Places... the game should prohibit that from happening like putting all 4E from the whole map in one place...

I think your biggest problem is you are considering the game a historical simulation. Its not. Its a game based on history. If Japan plays purely historically, they should get their asses kicked, as they historically did.

According to the game design, a level 6 airfield is roughly rated at 150 airplanes. Without being overly full. There's nothing wrong with stacking that many on the base. If you overstack it it should hurt operational efficiency, theoretically just like history. Admittedly, I'm really sure not how much it hurts in the game to overstack an airfield.

To me, the only serious question is if your opponent is abusing the command assignments. If he's flying bombers assigned to CenPac out of DEI, he's abusing the system. In my opinion, that's wrong. But its not something that can easily be fixed by the game code, it has to be handled by player convention. Again, in my opinion, not all agree. Yet if he pays the political points to move them to SE Asia, he should be free to blow you apart. Its not like the B-17s have any value elsewhere. Its just that players know that while historical commanders refused to admit it.

As others have said, if the allies send significant airplanes forward in Jan 1942, you should slaughter them. Your airplanes should be where they can kill allied airplanes. Otherwise your airplanes are in the wrong place.

Finally, where is your fleet? Even the baby KB is capable of putting a dent in allied air raids and 8 BBs erase an airfield.

[dtravel]

The "stacking" limit is 50 aircraft per level of the airfield, so a level 6 airfield can handle 300 aircraft without any penalties.

[Przemcio231]

Ok this is starting to get annoying i Have over 30 Zeros on CAP 10.000 ft morale over 90 and exp over 80 im attacked by 12 Bufflos + some 2 E bombers result i menage to shoot down some bufflos and a single 2E bomber ... what is this a joke or something[&:]

[invernomuto]

30 zero are not enough! Put you Zero squadrons in LRCAP above the incoming bombers. B17 are tought beasts while your zero are very fragile. You need to outnumber his bombers to get good results.

[Przemcio231]

but those were just few Marauders , Martins and TVI....

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: Przemcio231

Ok this is starting to get annoying i Have over 30 Zeros on CAP 10.000 ft morale over 90 and exp over 80 im attacked by 12 Bufflos + some 2 E bombers result i menage to shoot down some bufflos and a single 2E bomber ... what is this a joke or something[&:]

Try putting the Zeros at their max height. Works for me against B-17s.

[BlackSunshine]

I see a couple of problems here.

The first is that the IJN player is stretched very thin. You are moving deep into Burma without having first captured Singapore. How are you planning to supply your advance? The best way is to obviously sail transports as far ahead as possible. That means that you have to neutralize the AF at Singapore. Or every TF you move anywhere near there is going to get nuked. Which makes supplying your advance by sea (which is the best way) impossible.

By being stretched so thin you are not able to mass any of your aircraft to confront this growing threat. You may have already blown your chance. You've lost an enormous amount of Zeros and probably skilled pilots. In any event, I know it's not what you think is historical, but it has to be done. Concentrate every thing with wings around Singapore and smash it to bits. You should be dominating the air war for the next year.

As for trying to keep things historical. You have the wonderful ability of hindsight. Allied Commanders at that time had to deal with the politics (modeled with PP) but they didn't know what you and your opponent know now. Massive air bombardments work. Think of it as Hitler and his commanders Shwerpunkt (spelling?). Concentrating every available force at a single point to inflict maximum damage. Allied commanders at the time, did not know they would be this devastating. Spruance does. You have to react and "blunt" his Shwerpunkt.

[Tophat1815]

we have all been trying to tell him that...................Worrynot,Admiral spruance and i are about to start a game and AAR up as well. Then you can show me my glaring errors,i'll make them also.