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[Ron Saueracker]

Hey, thought I'd bring up an old topic of contention. Did USS Utah make it in the OOB seeing as it played a significant enough role in the attack on PH?

[Monter_Trismegistos]

Are they available any earlier conversions for Jap DDs and TBs giving them DCs? In WitP you had to wait to march 42 to turn those ships into real warships.

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Hey, thought I'd bring up an old topic of contention. Did USS Utah make it in the OOB seeing as it played a significant enough role in the attack on PH?

Ah … Utah, greatest snow on earth. Should probably have some cruiser conversions to a Park City class, or, my fave Alta. Still have a photo somewhere of virgin tracks down Greeley back in ’98.

Ok, know you mean the ship. But the game is operational across years. Utah wasn’t. I know people want to see PH as exactly historical, but that just can’t be. I know Utah soaked up some Jap Air, but so did Schofield Barracks and 2177 Magnolia Street, and they are not in the game. It’s the 99:1 rule.

ORIGINAL: Monter_Trismegistos
Are they available any earlier conversions for Jap DDs and TBs giving them DCs? In WitP you had to wait to march 42 to turn those ships into real warships.

Monter, the game makes upgrades/conversions happen when they did. There’s no “what if the Japanese were smarter” options available in the release version. The release version assumes that the different sides did what they did when they did them, with some reasonable flexibility. Sorry – no ‘what if’ in the release scenarios.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Hey, thought I'd bring up an old topic of contention. Did USS Utah make it in the OOB seeing as it played a significant enough role in the attack on PH?

Ok, know you mean the ship. But the game is operational across years. Utah wasn’t. I know people want to see PH as exactly historical, but that just can’t be. I know Utah soaked up some Jap Air, but so did Schofield Barracks and 2177 Magnolia Street, and they are not in the game. It’s the 99:1 rule.

Besides, if Utah gets put in, there a couple of hundred Don's Babies that will start crying for inclusion...

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
Besides, if Utah gets put in, there a couple of hundred Don's Babies that will start crying for inclusion...

"INCOMING!!". See John's sphincter slam shut. See John run. See John cower behing the biggest pile of sandbags he can find.

[DuckofTindalos]

See John forget to put his helmet on. See John decapitated by flying shrapnel from air burst.[:'(]

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Terminus
See John forget to put his helmet on. See John decapitated by flying shrapnel from air burst.[:'(]

See John spew his beer on the monitor. LoL Termie. [:D]

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Hey, thought I'd bring up an old topic of contention. Did USS Utah make it in the OOB seeing as it played a significant enough role in the attack on PH?

Ok, know you mean the ship. But the game is operational across years. Utah wasn’t. I know people want to see PH as exactly historical, but that just can’t be. I know Utah soaked up some Jap Air, but so did Schofield Barracks and 2177 Magnolia Street, and they are not in the game. It’s the 99:1 rule.

Besides, if Utah gets put in, there a couple of hundred Don's Babies that will start crying for inclusion...

I thought most of your babes made it in. What's missing dudes?[:)]

[jwilkerson]

Oh just tens of thousands of "Yard Boat this" and "Yard boat that" all the lighters and row boats and fishing boats and cabin cruisers. As I've often said, there are still more vessels NOT included in AE than ARE included! [:D]

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Oh just tens of thousands of "Yard Boat this" and "Yard boat that" all the lighters and row boats and fishing boats and cabin cruisers. As I've often said, there are still more vessels NOT included in AE than ARE included! [:D]

And two USCG cutters in Alaska and five more with the British Eastern Fleet in 1945 and all the Straits Steamship Lines craft that were taken over as support craft or auxiliary warships at Singapore and all the planned build up for the British Pacific Fleet that would have arrived late 45-46 and all the ex-German merchant ships taken over, given "Empire" names and about to be sent to the Pacific and the carrier, 2 cruisers, and full flotilla of destroyers slated to be transfered to the RCN for Pacific duty and the 40 RCN frigattes for the Pacific Fleet and all the US Army small cargo ships (FS Boats) and oilers (Y boats) and all the USAT ships in the Philippines and much of the SWPac Permanent Fleet (like 20+ lake type freighters and 30+ N3 Baltics) and at least 100 LST/LCI/LSM attached to the Eastern Fleet and all the US Navy district oilers and several dozen useful craft with AG and even YAG numbers and a lot more that doesn't spring to mind right now.

All either small or late war, but a lot of modder fodder.

[witpqs]

Did the SS Minnow make it in?

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Did the SS Minnow make it in?

Sure, as a YP out of LA. Crew experience is lamentable.

[steveh11Matrix]

Ya know, one of these days I'll have to actually watch Gilligan's Island. [;)]

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

Crew experience is lamentable.

But fearless!

[bradfordkay]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

Crew experience is lamentable.

But fearless!

At sea... on land Gilligan was anything but fearless! Luckily that deserted island had a good network of footpaths for him to use when running away from danger...

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
At sea... on land Gilligan was anything but fearless! Luckily that deserted island had a good network of footpaths for him to use when running away from danger...

Ginger, or MaryAnn ?

[edit] Oh gosh ... I should NOT have done that ! If you guys have any mercy whatsoever, please don't go there !

[NormS3]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Oh just tens of thousands of "Yard Boat this" and "Yard boat that" all the lighters and row boats and fishing boats and cabin cruisers. As I've often said, there are still more vessels NOT included in AE than ARE included! [:D]

And two USCG cutters in Alaska and five more with the British Eastern Fleet in 1945 and all the Straits Steamship Lines craft that were taken over as support craft or auxiliary warships at Singapore and all the planned build up for the British Pacific Fleet that would have arrived late 45-46 and all the ex-German merchant ships taken over, given "Empire" names and about to be sent to the Pacific and the carrier, 2 cruisers, and full flotilla of destroyers slated to be transfered to the RCN for Pacific duty and the 40 RCN frigattes for the Pacific Fleet and all the US Army small cargo ships (FS Boats) and oilers (Y boats) and all the USAT ships in the Philippines and much of the SWPac Permanent Fleet (like 20+ lake type freighters and 30+ N3 Baltics) and at least 100 LST/LCI/LSM attached to the Eastern Fleet and all the US Navy district oilers and several dozen useful craft with AG and even YAG numbers and a lot more that doesn't spring to mind right now.

All either small or late war, but a lot of modder fodder.

If you don't mind, what are the names of the cutters? I am always impressed with all the knowledge accumulated here.

thanks

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
At sea... on land Gilligan was anything but fearless! Luckily that deserted island had a good network of footpaths for him to use when running away from danger...

Ginger, or MaryAnn ?

[edit] Oh gosh ... I should NOT have done that ! If you guys have any mercy whatsoever, please don't go there !

Why choose? [:D]

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Norm3

If you don't mind, what are the names of the cutters? I am always impressed with all the knowledge accumulated here.

thanks

240 foot Tampa Class Coast Guard Cutter Huron, attached to Alaska Sector pre-war and remained there for the entire war. Performed general patrol and escort duties but never came into action. A single ship minor class and did not make the cut.

165 foot Algonquin Class Coast Guard Cutter Onondaga, based out of Astoria, Oregon and used in the Bearing Sea Patrol. Known as the 165(A) type, they were designed for service in icey waters. Compared to the 165(B) class, which were designed for general patrol, Onondaga and her sisters had 10 foot more beam and a strengthened hull and could be used for icebreaking. Was at Dutch Harbor during the attack but otherwise was primarily used for escort. Another one-up that did not make the cut.

Five of the ten ships of the 250-foot Lake Class: HMS Banff (ex USCG Saranac), HMS Fishguard (ex USCG Tahoe), HMS Gorlbston (ex USCG Itasca), HMS Lulworth (ex USCG Chelan) and HMS Sennen (ex USCG Champlain). All ten of this class were lend-leased to Britain before Pearl Harbor and gave good service as Atlantic Escorts. Three were lost (2 in the North African Invasion). The five listed were sent to the Indian Ocean as escorts in 1945. I'd have to dig deep to find the exact dates.

I'm the Don's Babies guy so I'd love to see every one of these guys in there. But even I admit that sticking in every minor ship can be a bit much. It can affect playability too, as players have to deal with them (even if only setting up routine patrols). AE doubles the number of available ships and already has more ships defined then were available in stock. That leaves thousands for modders (like me!). Once AE is released I'm going to spend a few glorious months researching and putting in all these ships (and bugging my artist friends for artwork).

[Chad Harrison]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

. . . snip . . .

All either small or late war, but a lot of modder fodder.

Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I am passing time with nothing to do at work and came across Don's comment above.

How much of Eastern fleet(s) shipping is going to be in stock AE's OOB? Or in other words, how many ships are going to show up in stock AE from Europe after Germany's surrender?

I know that the Europe land units made the cut for stock AE, but this is the first I have heard any mention of what will/will not be in as far as post German surrender, ETO ships. Honestly I have no idea what was planned in reality, but I would imagine that a large number of ships would be coming to the Pacific for the upcoming Downfall Operation.

Don's comments above make it sound like they are going to be missing from stock AE. If so, was this to save on database space, or the time to get them in?

Or the fact that like 2 PBEM's have made it into 1945 [:D]

Thanks in advance and keep up the great work!

Chad