The World at War ELO Tournament

[Bavre]

New ELO:

Bavre(Axis) vs kjgokc2007(Allies)

[Moonchild]

ELO game ended:

Firsteds (Axis) vs Moonchild (Allies) : Allies win

new ELO game started: Firsteds (Axis) vs Moonchild (Allies) : same sides, gonna try different strategies

[kjgokc2007]

I would suggest we all go to a one post format and add dates so anyone trying to keep track of this mess might have a chance. I also suggest your PW for EOL games always be your user Name so we all know what PW to use.

Full list... of my games. ** 19 Wins - 10 Loses
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Game completed (Win), Player Redshirt (Axis) vs kjgokc2007 (Allies), Allied Victory. April 2022

Game completed (Win), Player Calcwerc (Axis) vs kjgokc2007 (Allies), Allied Victory. May 2022

Game completed (Win), Player Manager (Axis) vs kjgokc2007 (Allies), Allied Victory. May 2022

Game completed (Win), Player Thunderlizard11 (Axis) vs kjgokc2007 (Allies), Allied Victory, late 1945 close, he took all the Russian capitals but Moscow... Saved the day! May 2022

Game completed (loss), Beriand (Axis) vs kjgokc2007 (Allies), Allied Defeat! - Loss. April 2022

Game completed (loss), HamburgerMeat (Axis) vs kjgokc2007 (Allies), Allied Defeat! AXIS Dominate!!!! April 2022

Game completed (Loss), KlasE (Axis) vs kjgokc2007 (allies), Allied Defeat! Axis took England, Turkey, Spain, Russian winter never hit 1942. Doomed my counter attack. May 18, 2022 Allied Defeat! Ugh! A mighty opponent!

Game completed (Win), Firsteds (Axis) vs kjgokc2007 (Allies), Allied Victory! A dam close game. came within a turn or two of taking knocking out Russia.

Game Completed (Win), Start 6/1/22 Thunderlizard11 (Axis) Vs kjgokc2007 (Allies), the rematch! Allied Victory! July 2022, what a game Russia was Kuput and we fought our way back to Rome then to Berlin! In the nick of time before the game ran out!

Game Completed (Loss), Start 6/8/22 Petedalby (Axis) vs kjgokc2007 (Allies), Allied Defeat! July 11, 2022. Russia Toast, Italy Toast, Japan Toast. US, China and and Common Wealth fought back but time ran out. Great game! Excellent Player.

Game Completed (Loss), Started 7/9/22 - End 7/31/22, kjgokc2007 (Axis, yes I play Axis!) vs Thunderlizard11 (Allies), Allied Victory! Tried Diplomacy to flip Yugo, never happend even vs 100% effort and zero effort from the allies. Diplomacy is just to much luck involved. Took Spain and Romania said screw you axis I wont fight. Russia did the rest.

Game Completed (Win), Started 7/11/22 - End 7/31/22, kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs ElvisJJonesRambo (Axis), Russia didn't hold yet again! But Japan Fell shortly after and the allies won the day in the end.... Very good player watch out!

Game Complete (Loss) 7/31/22 - End 8/14/22, kjgokc2007 (Axis) vs Thunderlizard11 (Allies), Game #4 its getting Ugly NOW! 8) Germany fell on their face 1943 Russia tied them down. Well played Thunder!

Game Completed (Win) 8/2/22 - End 8/8/22, kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs Redshirt (Axis) another rematch!, Russian defenses is still work in progress, tips appreciated in Private messages thx! Great Game... Axis Navy almost crushed GB's Navy. Mistakes in Russia lead to two groups being cut off and doomed the Russian Attack... broke the Axis in Russia Finally! (I got lucky. Red is going to be a force out here soon!

Game Completed (Win) 8/8/22 to End 8/19/22 kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs Redshirt (Axis), lets hope my Navy fairs better this time! Russia Held, Japan was dug in deep in Japan, well played game ended 1943 when Russia started pushing back and the Allies retook Greece and working on some other random invasions to tie up troops.

Game Completed (Win) 8/16/22 to End 10/2/22 kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs Thunderlizard11 (Axis), two and two the tie breaker! Pulled it off... 1947 was just too long for Germany to hold out alone. Very good game. Thunder is very good.

Game Completed (Win) 9/17/22 to End 9/30/22 kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs Moongaz3r (Axis), New Blood! Moongaz3r is very good! Watch out! He came within a few turns of winning the game... Lucky for me the Allies held him off long enough to take out Japan and save the Med! Got Lucky!

Game Completed (Win) 9/29/22 to End 10/12/22 kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs Bubblebox (Axis), More Blood! Nice game, well fought, Russia finally held off the Germans.

Game Completed (Win) 10/4/22 to End 10/29/22 kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs SCOLDGAMER (Axis), A very well played game... Typical in most respects... Russia Held and broke the Axis Moral. China was in trouble.

Game Completed (Loss) 10/14/22 to End 10/16/22 kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs Fafnir (Axis), Da Man to beat! I don't want to give away Fafnir's strategy with a rundown as it is key to his game. There is a good reason why he is so dominate, excellent game play and tricks that will put the hurt on your fast. Thanks for the game! I would love a rematch Fafnir!

Game Completed (Win) 10/29/22 to End 11/19/22 kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs SCOLDGAMER (Axis), The rematch! A very solid game from Solidgamer. Typical in most respects. Russia was dicey but held. Well played Solid.

Game Completed (Win) 11/8/22 to End 11/28/22 kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs Aquavita (Axis), hope you learned a few tricks to help your game brother. Fun Game.

Game Completed (Win) 11/18/22 to End 11/27/22 kjgokc2007 (Axis) vs Judgementday (Allies), Brother vs Brother! Excellent Game, typical in most respects, excellent Naval play. Took a few questionable choices on decision events that probably helped turn the tide.

Game Completed (Win) Started 12/18/2022 to End 01/25/23 SCOLDGAMER (Axis) vs kjgokc2007 (Allies), the Rematch. Game was typical in most respects... The allies held off the German Tigers at the gates of Moscow ftw.

Game Completed (Win) started 01/19/2023 End 03/02/23 Kaigab (Axis) vs kjgokc2007 (Allies), good Game Russia Fell but the allies made Germany Pay in other areas.

Game Completed (Loss) Started 02/2?/23 End 03/06/23 kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs Taifun (Axis), #1 and #2 from the Matrix Tournament meet in ELO! Taifun destroyed the China Defense and a early attack on the Brits got ugly fast. Good Stuff... Taifun is Top Notch player!

Game Completed (Win) Started 02/2?/23 End 03/07/23 kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs Petedalby (Axis), The rematch! Excellent game, Russia held till late 44 and USA took out Japan to save china. Pete is very good nice to see my game improve. He crushed me before.

Game Completed (loss) 03/07/23 End 03/10/23 kjgokc2007(Axis) vs Taifun (Allies), swapping sides. A total sellout to defend France worked well. Might be a bad plan long run but it just wasn't fun to play so I tossed the game. Germany needs some help early on to avoid this tactic. They just keep nurfing the Axis.

Game Completed (Loss) 03/07/23 - 03/08/23 kjgokc2007(Axis) vs Petedalby (Allies), Swapping Side after a tuff Victory! Japan got an unlucky Retreat that cost them a key city on turn 2 and frankly I have never seen them retreat from that hex before. Moral break for Japan. Good Game Pete.

Game Completed (Loss) Started 02/2?/23 End 03/08/23 kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs Bavre (Axis), Excellent game, Bavre is a master of using every exploit in the game to his advantage, and he plays with excellent strategy. Well played brother, I learned a few tricks from you.

** MY password is always my User ID - kjgokc2007, if you jump into my game I will assume it is for ELO, if you use your User ID as your Password I might jump into your game.

EarlyDoors I will use an Emoji to mark new updates to save you some effort. Hope that helps.

[petedalby]

Game started kjgokc2007 (Allies) vs petedalby (Axis) 02/15/23

Axis resign in May 1945. Great game & a well deserved win for kjgokc2007.

[Taifun]

New ELO game started:
Taifun (Axis) vs. kjgokc2007 (Allies)

After the Allied defeat, we now start a new game with reversed sides:

New ELO game started:
Taifun (Allies) vs. kjgokc2007 (Axis)

Let's analyze kjgokc2007 handling of the Axis, it will sure be a great game!

[petedalby]

New ELO game begins:
petedalby (Allies) vs. kjgokc2007 (Axis)

See above

[petedalby]

New ELO game begins:
petedalby (Allies) vs. kjgokc2007 (Axis)

Allies Win. Game ends in November 1939 with Axis resignation after China took Suchow and the KM lost 3 capital ships.

[Bavre]

New ELO:

Bavre(Axis) vs kjgokc2007(Allies)

Axis wins after Allies resign in July 41.
kjgokc2007 did not annex the baltic states, probably to save the russian units spawning near Riga. However a little test in hotseat showed that the US don't seem to care about Germany conquering those 3 states and provided you do an early Barbarossa and kept SU mobilization low, you can conquer one of them without bringing uncle Joe in. So I conquered Lituania in April 41, stuffed it full of Wehrmacht and declared war on both Latvia and SU in May. That way I could still kill all units of the northern spawn (now near Pskov) and got a big headstart towards Leningrad and Smolensk.

[taffjones]

New ELO game started taffjones Axis v Jnaspirant Allies

[Taifun]

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New ELO game started:
Taifun (Allies) vs. kjgokc2007 (Axis)
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kjgokc2007 resigned August 1940. The Italian Navy and the Kriegsmarine were obliterated early and the French held firm the German invasion of France.

[Taifun]

New ELO game started:
Bavre (Axis) vs Taifun (Allies)

Additional house rules:

- No Tulun attack by Japanese bombers during Barbarossa.
- No early attack against Japan by Allies until Japan declares war to the USA.
- No Italian warships leave the Med until Italy is at war except Italian subs and transports.

I suggest to include these house rules as standard for the ELO tournament.

[kaigab]

New ELO game started:
Bavre (Axis) vs Taifun (Allies)

Additional house rules:

- No Tulun attack by Japanese bombers during Barbarossa.
- No early attack against Japan by Allies until Japan declares war to the USA.
- No Italian warships leave the Med until Italy is at war except Italian subs and transports.

I suggest to include these house rules as standard for the ELO tournament.

Can you explain the reasoning for the first one ?

Completely agree on the 2nd as it is so easy to knock out Japan otherwise. third one i disagree. Allies can just put 2/4 ships at gibraltar to avoid that, Italy cna just move couple of units on first turn and that's it.

[petedalby]

- No Tulun attack by Japanese bombers during Barbarossa.

IIRC Japan can DoW on USSR at the same time as Barbarossa. If no Japan land units cross the border there is no Diplo penalty to the USA. A Strat Bomber can take Tulun below strength 5 in 2 attacks. This means that Zhukov and all the Siberian reinforcements cannot operate West to fight the Germans. This is a major penalty for the Russians.

I agree it should be adopted as a standard ELO rule.

[kaigab]

thank you, in this game your learn new tricks every day!

[Bavre]

...
- No Tulun attack by Japanese bombers during Barbarossa.
- No early attack against Japan by Allies until Japan declares war to the USA.
- No Italian warships leave the Med until Italy is at war except Italian subs and transports.

I suggest to include these house rules as standard for the ELO tournament.

I'd also like to support that. Especially since 1 & 2 seem to be so common now in ELO matches, that they might as well be ELO rules.

[Taifun]

New ELO game started:
Bavre (Axis) vs Taifun (Allies)

Bavre (Axis) wins
Game ends with Allies surrendering after a few turns. Great moves by Bavre. Unbelievable favorable odds time and again. I still don't understand how he manages to get the best combat results with minimal losses. Disheartening.
Played too many games, not my best version of myself. Need a brake!

[Bavre]

Bavre (Axis) wins
Game ends with Allies surrendering after a few turns. Great moves by Bavre. Unbelievable favorable odds time and again. I still don't understand how he manages to get the best combat results with minimal losses. Disheartening.
Played too many games, not my best version of myself. Need a brake!

I did not do anything special at all and I'm kind of confused tbh. With favorable odds, do you mean the RGN or the combat predictions?
The best explanation I can give is that I did a turn 4 Netherlands attack, then grinding my way through the low countries and northern France througout winter. The Germans get many scripted boosts in that phase and the weather was abysmal. That meant I did very little damage (usually 0:1 or 0:2 odds, unless a unit was nearly dead) and my pace was slow, but I also received hardly any damage in return. Since Taifun was clearly going for an all in France I also adjusted my strategy accordingly with a very slow and careful advance plus AA on my guys in anticipation of carrier and stratbomber shenanigans. My estimate for the fall of France would have been August, so absolutely nothing special.
Japan was doing very well however, with Nanning conquered in April 40. But that was not really my doing either (appart from focusing on it), as Taifun did not put much in the forward defense there, to conserve troops I assume.

[ThunderLizard11]

[ELO Ended]

Thunderlizard11(Allies)[WIN] v.aquavita(Axis)[LOSS] - aqua resigned Dec '42. Allies had landed in Northern Germany and were pressing towards Berlin. Barbarossa stalled. China holding firm and US grabbed a few islands in Pacific. Axis held Greece in force and Italy was well garrisoned.

[ELO Started]
Rematch - Thunderlizard11(Allies) v.aquavita(Axis)

[oldAHgamer]

Two ELO Games Ended:

OldAHGamer (allies) v Archmache (Axis) - Archemache resigned after he got bogged down in Russia, with Allies beginning to nibble in the West and Pacific

OldAHGamer (Allies) v Aquavita (Axis) - Aquavita resigns in Oct 43 as Allies closing in on Germany (Paris, N Italy and Warsaw all liberated).

Still have one going against Moonchild - too close to predict!

[lwarmonger]

New ELO Mirror match. allor/gadjan (not sure which he is ranked as.... feel free to chime in) vs lwarmonger

Mirror match complete.

Allies lwarmonger (victory) vs Axis allor (loss):
Pretty straight forward game. 1942 invasion of Italy offset an "all in" to Russia strategy by Allor, and meant the Germans got turned back short of Baku and Stalingrad. Russian steamroller got started in 1943, and by the time D-Day happened in France in 44 it was all over. Axis resigned in 1945 with the allies closing in on Berlin and the initial invasion of the Japanese homeland begun.

Allies allor (loss) vs Axis lwarmonger (victory):
Played this one almost to the end (about 6 turns left on the counter when game over). Axis launched a 1940 invasion of Britain during the fall of France when an errant air strike identified the Brits, while going all into defending france only had a garrison on London (the British navy had gone all into the med to destroy the Italian Navy). A massive alpha strike by the Luftwaffe cleared the way for a German airborne landing. 2 units amphibed in every two turns meant after 6 turns the axis had enough (an HQ and an armor, plus four more infantry units) to take Britain by the summer of '41. Barbarossa was late due to Sea Lion, but the Soviets didnt defend the Caucasus, so the Soviet union was crippled by 1942 and defeated by 1943. Allies went all in against Japan... this culminated in a massive naval/air battle of the coast of Japan, which sunk much of the allied navy and about half the Japanese navy in 1944, with a combined air and naval force plus kamikazes countering the combined Anglo-American fleet. German armor poured through Central Asia to seize India and the middle east, while a large scale German invasion of Nova Scotia and Florida was foiled by US Strategic bombers, even after the British national morale collapsed and they surrendered in 1945. A secondary invasion of South America and the caribbean in 1946 was complimented by a surprise Japanese invasion of California, which seized most of the state and almost all of latin America before the the US counterattack in California. 5 or 6 turns before the end of game, US national morale hit zero, and the United States surrendered. This is the furthest I've ever played a game like this. Was a lot of fun, and good game!