OT: Blame for the Battle of Gettysburg

decaro · Post by **decaro** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:31 pm

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I am a Northerner born and bred (and very extremely distantly related to Dan Sickles of all people) ...

Wasn't Sickles the only Union Corps commander not to have a monument on the battlefield?

morganbj · Post by **morganbj** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:20 pm

ORIGINAL: Joe D.

ORIGINAL: FDRLincoln

I am a Northerner born and bred (and very extremely distantly related to Dan Sickles of all people) ...

Wasn't Sickles the only Union Corps commander not to have a monument on the battlefield?

I think Georgia and Virginia wanted to put one up back in 1875, or so.

decaro · Post by **decaro** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:49 pm

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ORIGINAL: Joe D.

ORIGINAL: FDRLincoln

I am a Northerner born and bred (and very extremely distantly related to Dan Sickles of all people) ...

Wasn't Sickles the only Union Corps commander not to have a monument on the battlefield?
I think Georgia and Virginia wanted to put one up back in 1875, or so.

That's almost as unflattering as Ridley Scott's recent portrayal of Sickles in his 2-hour depiction of the battle for the History Channel.

Blackhorse · Post by **Blackhorse** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:41 pm

ORIGINAL: Joe D.
Wasn't Sickles the only Union Corps commander not to have a monument on the battlefield?

I especially like this, from Wikipedia:

Of the principal senior generals who fought at Gettysburg, virtually all, with the conspicuous exception of Sickles, have been memorialized with statues at Gettysburg. When asked why there was no memorial to him, Sickles supposedly said, "The entire battlefield is a memorial to Dan Sickles." However, there was, in fact, a memorial commissioned to include a bust of Sickles, the monument to the New York Excelsior Brigade. It was rumored that the money appropriated for the bust was stolen by Sickles himself; the monument is displayed in the Peach Orchard with a figure of an eagle instead of Sickles' likeness.

John 3rd · Post by **John 3rd** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:02 pm

CRAZY!

PizzaMan · Post by **PizzaMan** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:40 am

ORIGINAL: Joe D.

ORIGINAL: FDRLincoln

I am a Northerner born and bred (and very extremely distantly related to Dan Sickles of all people) ...

Wasn't Sickles the only Union Corps commander not to have a monument on the battlefield?

Sykes (V Corps) to my knowledge doesn't have a statue. Although Sickles doesn't have a statue, he does have a monument:

http://www.gettysburg.stonesentinels.co ... ickles.php

Bullwinkle58 · Post by **Bullwinkle58** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:56 am

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
If we make it, we're going to walk Pickett's Charge.

I have today been informed by a friend here who toured the battlefield last week with his sons that the official Park Service materials, signs, new visitor's center presentations, etc. now call it "Longstreet's Charge." He said that in a few places it is referred to as "formerly known as Pickett's Charge."

News to me. If we're going that way it should be "Lee's Charge" and be done with the vertical accountability.

Canoerebel · Post by **Canoerebel** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:22 am

How would McLaws and Hood feel about calling it "Longstreet's" Charge?

Chickenboy · Post by **Chickenboy** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:26 am

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
If we make it, we're going to walk Pickett's Charge.

I have today been informed by a friend here who toured the battlefield last week with his sons that the official Park Service materials, signs, new visitor's center presentations, etc. now call it "Longstreet's Charge." He said that in a few places it is referred to as "formerly known as Pickett's Charge."

News to me. If we're going that way it should be "Lee's Charge" and be done with the vertical accountability.

Wouldn't that make it Jefferson Davis' charge?

LargeSlowTarget · Post by **LargeSlowTarget** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:41 am

Tinkering with Gettysburg history seems to be en vogue - there is a brand-new game called "Gettysburg: Armored Warfare" where modern weapons are being sent back in time in order to change history (link). Alternate history ok, but this seems a bit exagerated...

Bullwinkle58 · Post by **Bullwinkle58** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:35 pm

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Wouldn't that make it Jefferson Davis' charge?

I thought of that too, but maybe there's a corollary for telegraphic availability. Going to the Nth degree, maybe it should be "Lincoln's Charge" since the whole war was "his fault." [:'(]

Bullwinkle58 · Post by **Bullwinkle58** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:36 pm

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Tinkering with Gettysburg history seems to be en vogue - there is a brand-new game called "Gettysburg: Armored Warfare" where modern weapons are being sent back in time in order to change history (link). Alternate history ok, but this seems a bit exagerated...

I saw the preview trailer on Steam and I wasn't even interested enough to watch the whole thing. Yuck and so forth.

(Zeppelins?!!!!)

ilovestrategy · Post by **ilovestrategy** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:29 pm

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Tinkering with Gettysburg history seems to be en vogue - there is a brand-new game called "Gettysburg: Armored Warfare" where modern weapons are being sent back in time in order to change history (link). Alternate history ok, but this seems a bit exagerated...

Largeslowtarget, how can you possibly expect us to concentrate on your posts with that totally awesome picture of 4 goddesses in your sig? [&o]

Chickenboy · Post by **Chickenboy** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:42 pm

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Tinkering with Gettysburg history seems to be en vogue - there is a brand-new game called "Gettysburg: Armored Warfare" where modern weapons are being sent back in time in order to change history (link). Alternate history ok, but this seems a bit exagerated...

I saw the preview trailer on Steam and I wasn't even interested enough to watch the whole thing. Yuck and so forth.

(Zeppelins?!!!!)

Boo-yah! Steampunk meets Longstreet! With Zeppelins! And exclamation marks! Who needs history when you've got shiny graphics in MMORPG?

Chickenboy · Post by **Chickenboy** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:43 pm

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Wouldn't that make it Jefferson Davis' charge?

I thought of that too, but maybe there's a corollary for telegraphic availability. Going to the Nth degree, maybe it should be "Lincoln's Charge" since the whole war was "his fault." [:'(]

No. If you're going down that path of telegraphic availability, perhaps we should blame it on Morse.

tocaff · Post by **tocaff** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:01 pm

After all of the mention of various games played in the past I now would like to know does anyone have 1st hand knowledge of the following games.

Scourge of War: Gettysburg Norb Development Software, Inc

Gettysburg HPS

morganbj · Post by **morganbj** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:01 pm

I have Gettysburg HPS.

John 3rd · Post by **John 3rd** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:30 pm

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CR mentioned Peter Cozzen's works earlier. My esteemed Southern Friend, who put me on to this magnificent author, neglected to mention his recent work on the the Valley Campaign. This book just arrived here and has a nice round 700 pages of reading within it. Cannot wait..

The discussion here has been delightful and quite well toned as well as reasoned.

Just finished this book and it is excellent. Really provides a much better balanced view of Jackson, Shields, Banks, and Fremont. Nice read and highly recommend it.

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