RN Pacific Fleet

[JeffroK]

OK, might be 48hrs as I have skool tonight.

[m10bob]

Another nice site??

http://www.ww2pacific.com/brittf.html

[Dixie]

So far these are the additions and changes made.

NAVAL ADDITIONS
HMS Pioneer (Colossus Class CVL) arrives April 1945, replenishment carrier RF-4 & RT-4
HMS Belfast (Edinburgh Class CL) arrives September 1945
HMS Vindex changed to replenishment carrier
HMS Arbiter changed to replenishment carrier
HMS Rajah added as replenishment carrier, arrives October 1944 (Cochin)
HMS Ranee added as replenishment carrier, arrives May 1945
HMS Slinger changed to replenishment carrier
HMS Striker arrival port changed to Melbourne 23 Dec 1944

AIR ADDITIONS
So far only a couple. With the extra art spaces from the latest patch I've so far added the F-7A Liberator for the USAAF and Hawk 81A-2 for the AVG.

[Monter_Trismegistos]

Why did you need only Britsh Pacific Fleet units, ad what it has to do with CHS? There were many vessels which were available in 1945, but were on Indian Ocean and not Pacific.

[Dixie]

ORIGINAL: Monter_Trismegistos

Why did you need only Britsh Pacific Fleet units, ad what it has to do with CHS? There were many vessels which were available in 1945, but were on Indian Ocean and not Pacific.

Got to start somewhere [:)] The RN seems to be lacking a few ships here and there, the ones I noticed were from the fleet train in '45. I'll happily add any others that people feel are missing.

[saj42]

I've got the book 'Task Force 57: The British Pacific Fleet, 1944-45' by Peter C Smith (ISBN 0-947554-85-8). In the appendixes it gives fleet composition for May 45 and VJ day (including names of COs).
It also gives FAA sqdns in BPF in same period, but as you know they moved between CVs as situation demanded. Going through the FAA website mentioned earlier will show how some sqdns arrived in theatre on CVE to be transferred to fleet CV later. (not easy to accomplish given game mechanics).
I'll scan in details at work tomorrow and post them here or pm them to you.

[JeffroK]

I found the book, its the 50th anniversary of the BPF & East Indies Fleet so it covers the RN in the SEA theatre. I'll scan the tables today.

[Monter_Trismegistos]

So the units missing in CHS are:

DD Raider - on Indian O. from 3.44
DD Caesar, DD Cambrian, DD Caprice, DD Carron, DD Cavalier, DD Cavendish - on Pacific from 8.45
SS Scythian, SS Seadog - on Indian O. from Autumn 44
SS Spearhead - on Indian O. from Spring 45

[saj42]

OK here is the first part - ships present in May 45

COMPOSITION OF THE BPF MAY 1945
Battleships
King George V - Capt. T E Halsey
Howe - Capt. H W U McCall
Fleet Carriers
Indomitable - Capt. J A S Eccles
Victorious - Capt. M M Denny
Illustrious - Capt. C E Lambe
Indefatigable - Capt. Q D Graham
Light Cruisers
Swiftsure - Capt. P V MacLaughlin
Gambia - Capt. R A B Edwards
Black Prince - Capt. G V Gladstone
Argonaut - Capt. W P McCathy
Euryalus - Capt. R Oliver-Bellasis
Destroyers
Grenville - Capt. H P Henderson
Ulster - Lt-Cdr. R J Harrison
Undine - Cdr. T C Robinson
Urania - Lt-Cdr. D H P Gardiner
Undaunted - Lt-Cdr. T C E R Sharp
Quickmatch - Cdr. O Becker
Quiberon - Lt-Cdr. G F E Knox
Quality - Lt-Cdr. The Viscount Jocelyn
Queenborough - Cdr. P L Saumarez
Kempenfelt - Capt. E G MacGregor
Whirlwind - Cdr. W A F Hawkins
Wessex - Lt-Cdr. R Horncastle
Whelp - Cdr. G A F Norfolk
Wager - Lt-Cdr. R C Watkin

THE FLEET TRAIN MAY 1945
Escort Carriers (Replenishment)
Striker, Speaker, Ruler, Slinger
Escort Carriers (Ferry Duties)
Fencer, Chaser
Destroyers
Napier, Nizam, Nepal, Norman
Escort Vessels
Crane, Pheasant, Woodcock, Whimbrel, Avon, Findhorn, Parret
Landing Ship
Lothian
Landing Ship Large
Empire Spearhead, Glenarn, Lamont
Repair Ships
Artifex, Resource
Light Fleet Carrier (AC Repair and Maint)
Unicorn
Oilers
Brown Ranger, Dingledale, San Ambrosio, Cedardale, Arndale, San Adolpho, Wave King, Aase Maersk
Naval Stores Issuing Ship
Bacchus
Victualling Vessels
Denbighshire, Fort Alabama, City of Dieppe
Distilling Ship
Stagpool
Netlayer
Guardian
Armament Issuing Ships
Corinda, Darvel, Hermelin, Kheti, Pacheco, Price of Liege, Princess Maria Pia, Robert Maersk, Tigress
Hospital Ship
Tjitualengka

[akdreemer]

ORIGINAL: Tallyho!

I've got the book 'Task Force 57: The British Pacific Fleet, 1944-45' by Peter C Smith (ISBN 0-947554-85-8). In the appendixes it gives fleet composition for May 45 and VJ day (including names of COs).
It also gives FAA sqdns in BPF in same period, but as you know they moved between CVs as situation demanded. Going through the FAA website mentioned earlier will show how some sqdns arrived in theatre on CVE to be transferred to fleet CV later. (not easy to accomplish given game mechanics).
I'll scan in details at work tomorrow and post them here or pm them to you.

Send me a copy too if you do not mind:
alaskanwarrior@akdreemer.com

[saj42]

Second installment

COMPOSITION OF THE BPF ON VJ DAY
Battleships
King George V - Capt. B B Schofield
Howe - Capt. H W U McCall
Duke of York - Capt. A D Nicholl
Anson - Capt. A C G Madden
Fleet Carriers
Indomitable - Capt. J A S Eccles
Victorious - RAdm. M M Denny
Illustrious - Capt. W D Stephens
Indefatigable - Capt. Q D Graham
Formidable - Capt. W G Andrewes
Colssus - Capt. G H Strokes
Glory - Capt. A W Buzard
Venerable - Capt. W A Dallmeyer
Implacable - Capt. C C Hughes-Hallet
Escort Carriers (Replenishment)
Striker - Capt. W P Carne
Arbiter - Capt. D H Everett
Chaser - Capt. R G Poole
Ruler - Capt. H P Currey
Slinger - Lt-Cdr. J G Hopkins
Speaker - A/Capt. U H R Jones
Escort Carriers (Ferry Duties)
Fencer - Lt-Cdr. A M Harris
Vindex - A/Cdr. J D L Williams
Reaper - Cdr. I T Clark
Light Cruisers
Swiftsure - Capt. P V MacLaughlin
Gambia (RNZN) - Capt. R A B Edwards
Black Prince - Capt. G V Gladstone
Argonaut - Capt. W P McCathy
Euryalus - Capt. R S Warne
Bermuda - Capt. J S Bethell
Belfast - Capt. R M Dick
Achilles (RNZN) - Capt. F J Butler
Newfoundland - Capt. R W Ravenhill
Ontario (RCN) - Capt. H T W Grant
Uganda (RCN) - Capt. E R Mainguy
Destroyers
Grenville - Capt. R G Onslow
Undine - Cdr. T C Robinson
Urania - Lt-Cdr. D H P Gardiner
Undaunted - Lt-Cdr. T C E R Sharp
Quickmatch (RAN) - Cdr. O Becker
Quiberon (RAN) - Cdr. G S Stewart
Quality - Cdr. The Viscount Jocelyn
Queenborough - Cdr. P L Saumarez
Kempenfelt - Capt. E G MacGregor
Whirlwind - Cdr. W A F Hawkins
Wessex - Lt-Cdr. R Horncastle
Whelp - Cdr. G A F Norfolk
Wager - Lt-Cdr. R C Watkin
Wizard - Lt-Cdr. R H Hodgkinson
Wrangler - Lt-Cdr. E G Warren
Armada - Lt-Cdr. R A Fell
Barfleur - Cdr. M S Townsend
Camperdown - Lt-Cdr. J J S Yorke
Trafalgar - Capt. A F Pugsley
Penn - Lt-Cdr A H Diack
Lewes - Lt-Cdr. M H Grylle
Algonquin (RCN) - A/Lt-Cdr. D W Piers
Wakeful - Lt-Cdr. G D Pound
Ursa - Cdr. D B Wybird
Urchin - Lt-Cdr. A F Harkness
Ulysses - Lt-Cdr. P J Bordes
Ulster - Lt-Cdr. R J Hanson
Termagant - Lt-Cdr. D C Beatty
Tyrian - Cdr. R H Mills
Tuscan - Lt-Cdr. P B N Lewis
Tumult - Lt-Cdr. A S Pomeroy
Terpsichore - Cdr. R T White
Tenacious - Lt-Cdr G C Crowley
Teazer - Lt-Cdr. T F Taylor
Trowbridge - Capt. G F Burghard
Quadrant - Lt-Cdr. P C Hopkins
Quilliam - Lt J R Stephens
Norman (RAN) - Lt-Cdr. J Plunkett-Cole
Nizam (RAN) - Cdr. C H Brooks
Nepal (RAN) - Lt-Cdr. J C Stephenson
Napier (RAN) - A/Capt. H J Buchanan
Fast Minelayers
Apollo - Capt. L N Brownfield
Ariadne - Capt. F F Lloyd
Manxman - Capt. G Thistleton-Smith
Auxiliary AA Ship
Prince Robert (RCN) - Capt W B Creasey
Destroyer Depot Ships
Montclare - A/Capt. G W Hoare-Smith
Tyne - Capt. S Bucher
Escorts (Frigates / Sloops / Corvettes)
Pheasant, Crane, Redpole, Whimbrel, Woodcock,
Avon, Findhorn, Parret, Helford, Barle, Derg,
Odzani, Plym, Usk, Widmouth Bay, Bigbury Bay,
Veryan Bay, Whitesand Bay, Alacrity, Amethyst,
Black Swan, Erne, Hart, Hind, Cygnet, Flamingo,
Opossum, Starling, Stark, Wren
Submarines (Operational)
Taciturn, Tapir, Taurus, Thorough, Thule, Tiptoe,
Trenchant, totem, Trump, Turpin, Terrapin, Tudor,
Scotsman, Seascout, Selene, Sidon, Sleuth, Solent,
Spearhead, Stubborn, Supreme, Sanguine, Sea Devil,
Sea Nymph, Spark, Stygian
Submarines (for ASW Training)
Voracious, Vox, Virtue
Minesweepers
Coquette, Rowena, Mary Rose, Moon, Providence, Seabear,
Thisbe, Courier, Felicity, Hare, Liberty, Michael, Wave,
Minstrel, Welcome

THE FLEET TRAIN ON VJ DAY

Landing Ships
Lothian, Genarn
Fleet Accommodation Ships
Aorangi, Lancashire
Repair Ships
Artifex, Resource, Berry Head, Flamborough Head, Assistance,
Dullisk Cove, Diligence, Springdale, Kelantan (RNZN),
Arbutus (RNZN)
A/C Maintenance Ships
Unicorn, Pioneer, Deer Sound
Fleet Oilers (RN and RFA)
Olna, Arndale, Bishopdale, Cedardale, Eaglesdale, Serbol,
Wave Emporer, Wave Govenor, Wave King, Wave monarch, Rapidol
Brown Ranger, Green Ranger
Oilers
Aase Maersk, Carlia, San Adolphus, San Arnado, San Ambrosio.
Darst Creek, Golden Meadow, Iere, Loma Nova, Seven Sisters
Water Carriers
Empier Crest, Vacport
Stores Ships
Corinda, Darvel, Hermelin, Kheti, Pacheco, Price of Liege,
Princess Maria Pia, Robert Maersk, Thyra S, Heron, Kistna,
Hickory Burn, Hickory Dale, Hickory Glen, Hickory Stream,
City of Dieppe, fort Alabama, fort Constantine, Fort Dunegan,
Fort Edmonton, Fort Wrangell, Prome, Gudrun Maersk, Kola,
Bosporus, Jaarstroom, Marudu, San Andres, Schleswig, Edna,
Fort Providence
Distilling Ships
Stagpool, Bacchus
Netlayer
Guardian
Hospital Ships
Tjitualengka, Vasna, Empier Clyde, Gerusalemme, Maunganui,
Oxfordshire
Escort HQ Ship
Enchantress
Submarine Depot Ships
Adamant, Maidstone, Bonaventure
Minesweepers (all RAN)
Ballarat, Bendigo, Burnie, Goulburn, Maryborough, Whyalla,
Toowoomba, Cessnock, Gawler, Geraldton, Ipswich, Launceston,
Pirie, Tamworth, Woolongong, Kalgoorlie, Lismore, Cairns

[DuckofTindalos]

Two words: Su Perb![:D][&o]

[Dixie]

Thanks to everyone who's helped so far.  There are about 100 or so ships missing that I've found across the BPF and EIF, plus I'm expecting to find a few more when I have a proper look through the escorts in Tallyho's post.  A few ship classes need adding, most notably the Loch and Bay class frigates and the Banff class cutters.  The biggest omissions were probably HMS Belfast and the French cruiser Suffren.
 
I may be wrong, but it's early and I'm off to bed now [>:]

[saj42]

Many if not all front line FAA squadrons were embarked in different carriers during 44-45 according to operational requirements; a number were also embarked aboard escort carriers of the fleet support. This list is therefore only a rough guide to the air complement of the BPF Fast Carrier Group. See this site for unit histories http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/squad ... 0index.htm


801 Seafire Implacable
809 Seafire Unicorn
820 Avenger Indefatigable
828 Avenger Implacable
848 Avenger Formidable
849 Avenger Victorious
854 Avenger Illustrious
857 Avenger Indomitable
880 Seafire Implacable
885 Seafire Ruler
887 Seafire Indefatigable
888 Hellcat Indefatigable
892 Hellcat Ocean
894 Seafire Indefatigable
897 Seafire Unicorn
899 Seafire Chaser
1770 Firefly Indefatigable
1771 Firefly Implacable
1772 Firefly Indefatigable
1790 Firefly Implacable
1830 Corsair Illustrious

[Dixie]

As switching air units between carrers to other carriers or land bases isn't really possible the current plan is to have the carriers arrive with the squadrons on board which were historically assigned at that point whenever possible. Some ships have needed a reshuffling of airgroups as their 'assigned' units were already in theatre. Mostly this has just involved replacing it with a unit which was assigned at a later date. So far three carrier based units have been added and several have had their ships changed around.
There have also been several ships added to the RN & RIN, mostly corvettes and frigates. As the latest patch has 'extra' aircraft art spaces I've also added photo-recon Liberators and given the AVG the Hawk 81A-2 for 2 of the slots. There are still 2 more left, more if some of the early VVS planes are removed. I've considered a few but there's no decision yet (Blenheim V, Beaufighter X, Anson, PBJ, Tempest, P-40 or P-38 variants), so if anyone has suggestions for planes that they feel should be in but aren't then fire away.

[wdolson]

In my CHS tweak, I used the extra slots by adding the Hurricane IIc, C-54, PB4Y-2 Prvateer, and the PBJ-1J. I also eliminated the TBM, upped the production rate on the TBM-3d to compensate (virtually all TBM-3s had radar added in the field if not the factory anyway). I replaced the TBM slot with the fighter bomber F6F-5. I also replaced the LB-30 with the C-87. To make up for the LB-30, I added some B-24Ds to the pool at start.

I've been playing for a few weeks now against the AI and I'm into late January. I've found that dealing with the LB-30s this way makes me much more conservative with them. I know I don't get any more B-24Ds for a while, so I've been careful about deploying them.

Bill

[Dixie]

Here's the RN carriers in the game, and the air units that will be assigned to them on their arrival. The sqns are not fully accurate, due to the constant shuffling of units between carriers.


SHIP NAME ARRIVES CARRIER SQNS TYPE
IN GAME ROLE
HMS Ameer Dec 44 Fighter carrier 804 NAS Hellcat II
HMS Attacker Apr 45 Assault Carrier 879 NAS Seafire L.IIc
HMS Colossus Mar 45 Light Carrier 827 NAS Barracuda II
1846 NAS Corsair IV
HMS Emperor May 45 Assault Carrier 851 NAS Avenger II
HMS Formidable Jan 42 Fleet Carrier 818 NAS Albacore
888 NAS Martlett II
HMS Glory Jun 45 Light Carrier 837 NAS Barracuda II
1831 NAS Corsair IV
HMS Hunter Jun 45 Assault Carrier 807 NAS Seafire F.III
HMS Illustrious May 42 Fleet Carrier 881 NAS Martlett II
810 NAS Swordfish
795 NAS Fulmar
HMS Implacable Apr 45 Fleet Carrier 880 NAS Seafire F.III
801 NAS Seafire F.III
828 NAS Avenger II
HMS Indefatigable Oct 44 Fleet Carrier 887 NAS Seafire F.III
820 NAS Albacore
1770 NAS Firefly
HMS Indomitable Jan 42 Fleet Carrier 806 NAS Martlett II
796 NAS Albacore
800 NAS Fulmar
831 NAS Albacore
HMS Khedive Jan 45 Assault Carrier 808 NAS Hellcat II
HMS Ruler Jun 45 Escort Carrier 885 NAS Hellcat II
HMS Searcher Jun 45 Fighter carrier 882 NAS Wildcat VI
HMS Shah Mar 44 Escort Carrier 845 NAS Avenger II
HMS Smiter Jul 45 Escort Carrier 815 NAS Barracuda II
HMS Stalker Feb 45 Escort Carrier 809 NAS Seafire F.III
HMS Trumpeter May 45 Escort Carrier 822 NAS Wildcat VI
822 NAS Barracuda II
HMS Venerable May 45 Fleet Carrier 814 NAS Barracuda II
1851 NAS Corsair IV
HMS Vengeance May 45 Fleet Carrier 1850 NAS Corsair IV
812 NAS Barracuda II
HMS Victorious Feb 43 Fleet Carrier 896 NAS Martlett II
898 NAS Martlett II
832 NAS Avenger II
HMS Hermes Light Carrier 814 NAS det Swordfish
HMS Unicorn Jan 44 Light Carrier 817 NAS Barracuda II
897 NAS Seafire F.III
HMS Empress Mar 45 Replenishment
HMS Speaker Aug 45 Replenishment
Arbiter Replenishment
Striker Replenishment
Begum Replenishment
Slinger Replenishment
Pioneer Replenishment & Repair

[Dixie]

Would there be a major problem with having FAA reinforcement units arrive on freighters to make them carrier trained?  Whilst it's not an ideal solution, it will allow the use of several FAA units later in the war, especially the late war corsair units.

[DuckofTindalos]

Pretty much certain that doing this would result in Carrier Capable, rather than Carrier Trained, units. It all comes down to whether or not they start out assigned to a carrier or not. Sorry, Dixie...

[Dixie]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Pretty much certain that doing this would result in Carrier Capable, rather than Carrier Trained, units. It all comes down to whether or not they start out assigned to a carrier or not. Sorry, Dixie...

They definitely arrive as carrier trained in this situation. I was more concerned about knock-on effects on freighters and other situations.