Supplying other powers' stacks witn your depots

[lavisj]

ORIGINAL: Murat

So you would rather have your ally set up some corps on the edge of your depot range and drain your $$$?

It is an option in the game (but your conscent is needed) which I have seen used extensively.

You can ask your AI allies to loan YOU corps - nothing says you have to give them corps. The way it is done in EiANW and the way it was in the board game net out to the same result, just different ways of doing it. A lot of you doing the 'I give them $$$ for supply' are forgetting that even in the board game that $$$ did not arrive until the next econ phase.

That is actually not true. If the Corps of an ally is using your supply depot for supply, then YOU have to pay for it. Of course you do not have to agree to pay. But the money is taken directly from your treasury at the time of supply. It was not given at the economic phase.
I have seen that happen a lot in face to face for allies, especially in a Prussian-Russian or Austrian - Russian coalition, and even more when all three power are allied together. It is a part of the negociation process.

But as said again, there is a very big difference between that, and giving control of the Corps to your ally.
Also, if you are Russia and your ally is Austria (AI) and you are fighting in France, is more than likely that it is Austria that will pay for the supply of Russian Corps (especially of you play with the supply limitation of 4 corps per depot) .... and I have often seen the Russian give the money in the eco phase for use in that very purpose. But I would not want to relinquish my Russian Army to an incompetent Austrian ally.

So, no the computer game system does not allow the accomplishment of the same thing. In a PBEM it would work better as the loaning of corps will result in more coherent movements for the loaned Corps, but even then, you relinquis complete control for the turn. But with an AI it seems to me unconceivable.

[Murat]

[&:] I am guessing you are not a native english speaker since you have confused me. What I was saying was that your ally has to pay for supply with the $$$ they have on hand. Loans do not come to you until the next economic phase so you have to lend the money, wait until your ally gets it, then start the campaign if you want them using your $$$ to pay for your supply. Again, unless you run your own parallel supply line you will not be able to reinforce your corps.

As I said in my earlier post, outside of the physical movement of your counter, loaning produces the same result as combined move. If you do not trust your ally with your corps, do not loan them, but examine your alliance then too because you have some trust issues that are weakening it. In a game with AI ask them to lend you the corps, then you can use your military brilliance to destroy your enemies!

[delatbabel]

(a) If you loan a corps to another power, they move and fight during that other power's turn, so it does sort of have the effect of combined movement.

(b) You can loan a corps but not a leader to another power.  This is a bit of a game breaker.  I can, as Russia, loan 6 corps to Prussia in 1805 but they will be lead by (for example) Hohenloe (not desirable) instead of Bagration.  That makes it much harder for those corps to win any battles.

[Murat]

ORIGINAL: delatbabel

(a) If you loan a corps to another power, they move and fight during that other power's turn, so it does sort of have the effect of combined movement.

(b) You can loan a corps but not a leader to another power.  This is a bit of a game breaker.  I can, as Russia, loan 6 corps to Prussia in 1805 but they will be lead by (for example) Hohenloe (not desirable) instead of Bagration.  That makes it much harder for those corps to win any battles.

[a] In combined movement you and your ally move together at the same time, so you could say this is more flexible sine you can have 2 different parts of your army fight at 2 different times in the same phase.

(b) I must have missed that part. I have been putting leaders on free state stacks just figured I could do it on allies. not really sure how they separate a leader from it's attachment to the corp when it gets loaned. This is a little harder but then you have the Prussians loan you their corps and run it on the supply line you should have to keep your reinforcements flowing to the front (and they get Blucher quickly).

do not use '[] with a b' to head up a point [:D]

[delatbabel]

not really sure how they separate a leader from it's attachment to the corp when it gets loaned.

When, in the diplomacy phase, you loan a corps, it gets automatically detached from any leader. This can lead you to have leaders that don't have corps attached to them. It warns you about it next reinforcement phase and you have to remove the leader, but in no wise can you reattach it to the corps that is now on loan to your ally.

Which is a problem for Prussia in 1805 as it needs the Russian leaders to survive a French onslaught.

I would have thought that when you loaned a corps, you loan any attached leader with it as well, but this is not the case in the game.

Also, I think that the business of having loaned corps unbalances things a bit. If Austria and Prussia were doing combined movement, then an Austrian stack and a Prussian stack arriving in (say) Paris would arrive at the same time and get one breach roll. If they go with loaned corps then two separate stacks arriving at different times get two breach rolls (but in the second ensuing combat fight as one stack). This means that the combined army gets two bites at the cherry so to speak.

The way that this is nearly always resolved in FTF games that I have played is:

COMBINED MOVEMENT

* Austrians and Prussians arrive at Paris in one stack, fight as one stack, and get one breach roll.

NOT COMBINED MOVEMENT

* Austria arrives first, gets a breach roll, fights with Austrian troops only.
* Prussia arrives second, gets a breach roll, fights with Prussian troops only.