LiquidSky (WA) vrs DicedT (Ge)

[NotOneStepBack]

You think the game favors the Allies.....what?

[Seminole]

You think the game favors the Allies.....what?

That's what he's going to show in this AAR. [;)]

[LiquidSky]

Nov 13, 1943. Weather is wet...vewy vewy wet. The ground is a distinct colour of mud. So all flights cancelled, and a little movement forward on the Italian front.

Which, btw looks like this:



I had a clever plan....after bashing my way across the straits of Messina, I unleashed my horde of tank brigades backed by one French division.

They did quite well....screaming up the toe all the way to the ankle until a combination of too far from my supply and the 16th panzer put a stop to it.

However, they do quite well against a screen of mountain regiments from what appears to be 5 mountain divisions. Somebody has been robbing his EF box.

The score is 72 for me. Yup...that's positive 72. I should hit a draw by the end 1943. One thing in his favour is the garrison vps are usually -4 or -5 a turn. That's a lot of Germans sitting in garrison somewhere. I guess its better to be sitting on the map collecting VP's then in the EF box stopping Russians.



One thing I like about fighting with tank brigades in Italy is you don't lose a lot of casualty points with them. They don't have a lot of manpower in them. And the French divisions who do have manpower are mountain units, and are pretty hard to attack. A typical attack on a rough hex with a German mountain regiment loses me about 20 tanks and 100 men. And usually takes the hex since they still have enough movement to advance forward...unlike infantry.

[carlkay58]

Don't worry, your VPs will drop dramatically once you launch your ETO invasion because of the casualty VPs. But a nice buffer at this time of the game is psychologically a good thing.

[LiquidSky]

Well...GAME OVER. My bombing vp's were climbing, and I wasn't losing much in the way of casualties for vps....

[LiquidSky]

My casualties were kept under control....on the last turn, the Germans launched a disastrous bombing raid into England with the hopes of devastating my bombers on the ground. Instead, I ended up shooting down hordes of his planes. I probably had around 1000 fighters doing nothing but sitting on bases.

He took that as a sign that the game would be decided by the bombing campaign, and there was nothing the Germans could do to blunt it...and gave in.

[marion61]

Did he resign? Your bombing modifier hadn't even kicked in yet, and when you start losing casualties you won't be getting a lot of positive vp's. Just got thru those first few months of 15-18 SBP's a turn. I've also may have found a solution to all those bombing points. Start spreading your fighters in Lufftflotte Reich around the paths to your larger HI concentrations, and then keep I Jagd Korps around the Rhur spread out. Only put one or two groups at a base. This will increase the chances you have to detect the smaller strike packages, as each occupied fighter base will have a detection chance. The other thing this does is to catch those bombers at the end of their escort range or past it. Put fighters deeper into Germany. Last two turns I've been ripping Level Bombers a new tail fin, in a MP game. Almost 800 level bombers lost to my 200 planes. If I had figured this out sooner, his bomber fleets would be toast by now as the allies have very few bombers to spare in early 43. NEVER GIVE UP!

[LiquidSky]

And here is the front....the turn is December 18, 1943. Funny..I think that was the same turn that Pelton gave up on.

This game I only invaded Sicily....I didn't even invade Italy. I had an invasion prepped to go into France, but I was trying to suck some of his panzer units into Italy where I could bomb them with my Hurricane II rocket death ships. He took the bait once, but never again. I kept casualties low by using tank brigades, aircraft and a single Task Force....and worked my way up the coast.

Italian partisans finally gave me Taranto last turn, and I unloaded the French companies in it to spread out. American armour linked up.

On a funny note, the Italian Motorized unit won around a dozen victories, and was around 44 exp. A shame that it gets withdrawn.


Oh...this is before I move, and he didn't bother moving last turn...just launched his air attack then sent me the turn to look at.

We are not going to switch sides...I am going to play the Germans. Should be interesting as I have never played them..not even against the AI...just looked at them occasionally.

[LiquidSky]

Yeah..its over. On my turn I was going to finish off the airplanes he had left on the airfields close to England in Pas-d-Calais and Netherlands/Belgium. Afterwards I would be free to bomb pretty much indiscriminately in Germany. As well..he borrowed a lot of air from the EF box and said he was in a bit of trouble there as well. If he knew from the beginning what I was doing with the air (and he didn't have any idea that bombing could net so many vps) he would have planned differently and would probably have contained me better.

Now it is going to be my turn....as the Germans. Lucky I have the weekend off (Fri-Sat-Sun) to figure them out.

[LiquidSky]

I think Pelton had that figured..he was doing that to me whenever I ventured too deep. Trouble is in this game I would only bomb the Ruhr in range of my P47's. And its worth a lot of VP's by itself. You don't really have to venture deep into Germany. I have to hit the Subs, but that is only once every 4-5 turns. V wpns would have been the same...although a little deeper into Germany (but with more fighters.)

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: LiquidSky


Yeah..its over. On my turn I was going to finish off the airplanes he had left on the airfields close to England in Pas-d-Calais and Netherlands/Belgium. Afterwards I would be free to bomb pretty much indiscriminately in Germany. As well..he borrowed a lot of air from the EF box and said he was in a bit of trouble there as well. If he knew from the beginning what I was doing with the air (and he didn't have any idea that bombing could net so many vps) he would have planned differently and would probably have contained me better.

Now it is going to be my turn....as the Germans. Lucky I have the weekend off (Fri-Sat-Sun) to figure them out.

Just started to figure out myself how Middle Earth TAC bombers are, I can not wait for WitE 2.0.

Just 2 squadrons can tank a lvl 6 port in a single turn or kill 100+ tanks just crazy stuff.

People simply have no idea how to spam WA's air force.

Only thing I find odd is AA seems completely usless vs WA planes but WA AA vs German TAC is very good, not sure if there is some build in code for that but seem a little unfair.

[Seminole]

Just started to figure out myself how Middle Earth TAC bombers are, I can not wait for WitE 2.0.
Just 2 squadrons can tank a lvl 6 port in a single turn or kill 100+ tanks just crazy stuff.
People simply have no idea how to spam WA's air force.

Sometimes its hard to judge because if the other side is misusing their assets it can inflate the efficacy of your own.
If the WA player doesn't have his air game down he's going to flounder.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: Seminole

Just started to figure out myself how Middle Earth TAC bombers are, I can not wait for WitE 2.0.
Just 2 squadrons can tank a lvl 6 port in a single turn or kill 100+ tanks just crazy stuff.
People simply have no idea how to spam WA's air force.

Sometimes its hard to judge because if the other side is misusing their assets it can inflate the efficacy of your own.
If the WA player doesn't have his air game down he's going to flounder.

True for both sides. Germany can do fine during 43 in the air and even early 44.

You have to keep PD/GD in citys with AA regiments so they cant be TAC spammed. Infantry stay in open building FZ's once the FZ are 3 then you can move PD/GD into them and losses become much lighter.

[marion61]

All that close air support cost a lot of planes, and really only the rocket carrying ones are the worst/best, however you want to look at it. I haven't spammed those sort of attacks on you because 1. I'd lose too many planes to just do it to kill Germans without an objective, and 2. you don't have a lot of those types in your pools, and 3. No air force would fly missions for the sole purpose of killing the enemy without some other objective in mind. Spamming those kind of attacks is very unrealistic. I'm using them for railway interdiction because I can kill a lot of Germans that way, and not have to fly thru your AA to kill railway cars, so I lose a lot less planes. Spamming those sort of attacks is not smart gameplay as you'll use all those planes up quick and then when you need them where are they? Spamming is just an excuse for being lazy.