OT: UFO Bombshell: US Government Has Wreckage Material

[Dante Fierro]

Ian R your analysis is poor and incomplete. You fail to address other important facts that were brought up. You focus on one single point - that fails to disqualify the rest of the facts, and then you substitute ridicule (more than once) - thinking this somehow validates you further.

Furthermore, I'm not here advocating for 'alien' UFOs. No one is. The point is, no one knows at the moment. There are many different opinions and none of them can be completely ruled out, unlike what you do with your ridicule and condescension here.

You say 'apply Occam's Razor' without providing any reasonable explanations for the many elements in the case, where Occam's Razor could apply. A friend once told me: "Typically 'Skeptics' begin with their conclusions. They’re not really looking for an answer."

Man, was he right!

[Dante Fierro]

If you want anyone here to give you a serious response, choose a reputable source. Not this guy!

Bleh. I find the case curious. I'm not here with an axe to grind- unlike some posting on the thread. If you've already made up your mind fine. I've never really been into UFOs much, but find the case interesting because it does involve US Naval pilots, the USS Nimitz, and a number of corroborative stories, along with hard evidence.

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: Dante Fierro

along with hard evidence.

All you have given us is some third-hand extrapolation from some you-tube spruiker of second hand reports in the NYT that caused the NYT to issue an embarrassing back down and correction.

If you have any hard evidence, feel free to post it.

Ian R your analysis is poor and incomplete. You fail to address other important facts that were brought up.

What "facts", and what is the evidence for them?

Please do not waste my time by pointing to the video, or the 23 July NYT piece, before it was subsequently corrected.

[Ian R]

Incidentally, I don't think Giorgio minds me taking the piss. Any publicity is good publicity.

Giorgio Tsoukalos Net Worth and salary: Giorgio Tsoukalos is a Swiss-born Greek writer and television personality who has a net worth of $4 million dollars. Giorgio A. Tsoukalos was born in Lucerne, Switzerland in March 1978. He graduated from Ithaca College in 1998. He worked as a bodybuilding promoter for IFCC sanctioned contests including Mr. Olympia. He is well known for the idea that ancient astronauts interacted with ancient humans. Tsoukalos was formerly the publisher of Legendary Times magazine. He serves as the director of Erich von Daniken's Center for Ancient Astronaut Research. He has appeared on many shows on The History Channel, The Travel Channel, The Sci-Fi Channel, and the National Geographic Channel. Giorgio is a consulting producer for the television series Ancient Aliens. He is the host of the H2 series In Search of Aliens. His image has been used as a meme for internet users to poke fun at his obsession with ancient astronaut theory. Users will take a nonsensical event and explain that it was caused by aliens. He is known for his "mad scientist" hair style and appearance.

[RangerJoe]

NASA has off world material and has studied it and so have many other places. In fact, I read where they are returning some - to Mars!

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

NASA has off world material and has studied it and so have many other places. In fact, I read where they are returning some - to Mars!

I agree. My uncle bought a piece of moon rock.

[Anachro]

For a second I thought this was a Rusty1961 thread. [:D]

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Anachro

For a second I thought this was a Rusty1961 thread. [:D]

+1

[geofflambert]

I'm pretty sure no aliens have visited here in the last 100 million years or so. We will never send a live human to another star system, it would cost more than the GDP of the US, probably several times over. There likely will never be any form of transportation that could deliver one generation of humans to another star system, even one of the closer ones. Even if it were possible for aliens to have visited, what in the world could have justified the cost? Sending unmanned probes will almost certainly be done but it will take many generations before very interest info is returned.

Did everyone see the "picture" of two extrasolar planets?

[Treetop64]

ORIGINAL: Dante Fierro


UFO Bombshell: US Government Has Wreckage Material
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I9Yd4O5CDk

Thoughts?

I couldn't have picked a less credible "source" if I tried.

My girlfriend is sometimes susceptible to suggestion, if she thinks the host is attractive enough and if some effort was put into the video production quality. She might buy this.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I'm pretty sure no aliens have visited here in the last 100 million years or so. We will never send a live human to another star system, it would cost more than the GDP of the US, probably several times over. There likely will never be any form of transportation that could deliver one generation of humans to another star system, even one of the closer ones. Even if it were possible for aliens to have visited, what in the world could have justified the cost? Sending unmanned probes will almost certainly be done but it will take many generations before very interest info is returned.

You base this on current knowledge and technology. We may learn things as we study "dark matter" and "dark energy" that will enable us to travel great distances in little time. My suspicion is that dark matter is made up of subatomic particles we know nothing about yet, and those may hold the secret of time.

We know that time is affected by/interchangeable with speed. So if we can manipulate the particles to slow time to a crawl, we may achieve close to light speed. We might even be able to get to a time warp which takes us thousands or millions of light years across space.

It's all speculation, but recent advances in our research on particles has opened up possibilities that may become theories that may become knowledge.

[Ian R]

BBFB, I am not sure what you are proposing here, but ...

So if there were aliens who were smart enough to do that ...

When they get here, they aren't sophisticated enough to overcome US military technology such as is deployed to mask their presence?

Yeah, nah.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Ian R

BBFB, I am not sure what you are proposing here, but ...

So if there were aliens who were smart enough to do that ...

When they get here, they aren't sophisticated enough to overcome US military technology such as is deployed to mask their presence?

Yeah, nah.

I was not addressing the OP, but if the answer is that it is unlikely they would have made themselves detectable, then the original event was not an Alien encounter. But who knows what happens to Aliens after they discover marijuana ...?

[Dante Fierro]

Well thanks guys for all your elucidating thoughts on the topic.

I guess I'll refrain from talking about what Naval pilots on the USS aircraft carrier Nimitz reported (and took video footage) of in the future. It seems like its too rough a ride for many of you! [:D]

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Dante Fierro

Well thanks guys for all your elucidating thoughts on the topic.

I guess I'll refrain from talking about what Naval pilots on the USS aircraft carrier Nimitz reported (and took video footage) of in the future. It seems like its too rough a ride for many of you! [:D]

Not so much "too rough a ride", as "whether it was or wasn't, we on this forum can't do anything about it and there is no discernable effect on our lives, so what does it matter?"

[Dante Fierro]

Not so much "too rough a ride", as "whether it was or wasn't, we on this forum can't do anything about it and there is no discernable effect on our lives, so what does it matter?"

Exactly! Why get your panties in a bunch over nothing.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Dante Fierro

Not so much "too rough a ride", as "whether it was or wasn't, we on this forum can't do anything about it and there is no discernable effect on our lives, so what does it matter?"

Exactly! Why get your panties in a bunch over nothing.

Since you want to be insulting, I will no longer respond to you.

[Dante Fierro]

Since you want to be insulting, I will no longer respond to you.

Are you going to do the same for the other people on this forum that also posted derogatory memes? Somehow I doubt it.

I see how this works. You guys on this forum can post a bunch of ridiculing memes to anyone you want. But if they try to respond with a meme, then they are being rude.

What a bunch of self-righteous, arrogant hypocrites.

I'm outta here.

ps: Blocking the lot of you as well, starting with RangerJoe.

[RangerJoe]

This user is on your "block" list and the message has been blocked.

[Shellshock]

I guess the little green men won't be coming out to play...again.