Kong vs Godzilla aaaaaawesome

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Easily the best monster movie ever made.

warspite1

I hear its based on a true story....

It is: the original was a Twitter flamewar.

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer
The movie has a massive ape, who really is just a very large gorilla, nothing more magical, versus a very radioactive mutated lizard looking aquatic primitive dionsauroidish creature that can breathe fire and when really pisses can generate blasts of nuclearish, laserlike electrical energy beams.
But you want attention to logical detail?

Sure. Any good fantasy/sci-fi story does. The classic start is "What if (we are in a fantasy world/mythical creatures do exist for real/magic does exist in our World)? Once these basic rules are given, what you expect is for the story to evolve logically from them.

Harry Potter asks "What if there is magic in our World?" and develops the concept in a logical way extending it across history. It is part of the strengths of the series.

In Star Wars we have X-Wings, TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers and the idea that the dogfights happen in WWII ranges. We also accept that we hear the roars while in deep space because in SW cool beats that law of physics.

Bring a X-Wing in 2001: A Space Odyssey and you will kill the movie.

Does this means that in SW everything goes? No. When in "The Last Jedi" Admiral Holdo weaponised hyperspace, audiences groaned everywhere. A) Tens of thousands of years of a whole galaxy using hyperspace and no one ever thought to use it as a weapon? B) OK, let's say that, yes, she was the first. With a single scene you just killed the essence of the space wars in Star Wars. Why attack the next Death Star or Super Star Destroyer at all? Just put some droids aboard some mass torpedoes and fire them at lightspeed towards the target. Problem solved.

Even Umberto Eco once piped in on the matter. "If in a fable we are told that a magic ring will turn you invisible, or into a frog, at the end the ring will not be able to turn you into an armadillo 'because it is magic'. Either you have a good reason embedded in the plot for this twist or it is only bad writing. No, 'We are in a fable!' won't work either." So:

Why would a plane that can engage targets from miles away, need to fly within arms reach of these monsters?

Exactly. Why? (Why to fire weapons that, over and over and across multiple movies, are shown to be ineffective in the first place?) Things like these only bring me screechingly out of the yarn. Good writers sweat blood and find intelligent solutions. Bad writers say "Hey! It is a fantastic romp! Give me a break!" - and cash their checks.

Stanley Kubrick said that the hardest thing to do in "2001" was to find a way for HAL to discover that Poole and Bowman were planning to deactivate it. Notice how "He is superintelligent!" didn't cut it: there was no reason at all for HAL to suspect such a "betrayal". One day Kubrick was wandering through the set when he noticed that HAL's eye could see through a compartment's window. From there he got the idea that HAL could read Bowman and Poole's lips. It was one of the last things they put in the script

As for troop casualties, well, it's supposed to be dangerous in the military right?

True. It still doesn't make the creature "the good guy"... [8|]

I suppose CGI can't yet simulate 100s and thousands of human bodies from all the sudden carnage of a monster being bodily thrown through a major urban structure.
So I'm not going to be that demanding.

I'm not demanding to see that (not in a PG-13 movie at least - even if in "Armageddon" you actually saw the civilians fall out of the buildings). But "Godzilla attacks!" + "A whole city flattened with no time for an evacuation" tells you all you need to know.

Kong vs Godzilla IS a great movie.

Sorry. "Godzilla 2014" was a good movie. "Shin Godzilla" was an excellent movie. The new "Planet of the Apes" trilogy was a string of really good movies - the proof that you can start with a sci-fi concept (intelligent apes in our modern World) and develop their story over three movies in a realistic, poignant and logical way. I'm 2/3 in GvsK and I'm not even liking the cinematography. To each his own, I guess. [:)]

[Lobster]

Immersion is important. To get there you have to have some plausible things happen that people can relate to in the real world. If you break reality completely then there will be problems with immersion. Don't take my word for it, there have been lots of studies. Doesn't matter if it's a game or a movie. Just to throw things into a movie to make it visually exciting won't do it. The carrier task force was totally over the top. "Turn everything off and he will go away". Ok, so if you know sound attracts Godzilla why the heck did you group two carrier task forces that you knew would be totally useless if it were attacked that creates huge amounts of sound??? Break from reality. Just one of many. But hey, it's a fantasy movie. Some won't bother with that stuff and that's ok. People have to have a job.

Oh, here's one I love. Kong: Skull Island. Why didn't the helos climb out of Kong's reach? Why didn't the helos stand off and fire? These were seasoned combat pilots. What the heck is wrong with this picture? "Hey, lets fly around his face like flies and let him swat us." [:D] That was a huge break from reality for me.

[RFalvo69]

OK, part two.

The whole "Hollow World" mythology makes no sense (Earth Sciences is the only thing I studied in high-school, and it is physically impossible. Let's say that we accept it as part of this reality.)

The plucky trio of a paranoid guy and two high-school students infiltrates a Area 51-level base by... going there and walking in. No armed sentries, security cameras... dunno, pressure plates or laser-activated alarms in sight [X(]

The Hollow World mission starts! However, they say to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (*) what will happen in this mission during the mission? No pre-mission briefing for those involved?

(*) Because, come on, she is AOC. Why they got her involved is a mystery.

Also: no one fired drones or other probes into the Hollow World to evaluate key elements like the effects of reverse gravity, composition of the atmosphere, potentially dangerous virii and bacteria... maybe a megasaurus waiting with its jaws open for the first stray stupid to come out of the opening?? The only way they have to see if they will survive the first five seconds is... going in?!

Astounding. I wrote the above after pausing the movie. I unpaused, and the very first thing that happened... [X(] I can now officially call myself an Hollywood screenwriter [8|]

Meanwhile the plucky trio - after surviving an acceleration of 0-610Mph in five seconds, arrives...

...I mean... They arrive in the middle of an Arena where dozens of scientists are looking straight down at them, an experiment starts... And no one still notices them?! OK.

The token comic-relief sidekick knows that this new monster is not "Robogodzilla" but "Mechagodzilla" - because one can totally know how an unknown monster is named by just looking at it.

King Kong entered the Hollow World under Antarctica. Godzilla fires his blast downwards from Hong Kong and created a tunnel, a few kilometers deep, that connects the two places. OK.

The plucky trio is finally captured. To unlock this achievement the had to go everywhere in another evil base with no surveillance cameras or stuff (not even in the room where they kept a neural-net PC based on a skeleton), and press/activate anything in sight. It was worth a wild shot and it worked. They just wanted to be captured and they were getting desperate.

There is now a direct opening between the Hollow World and the surface but not a single evil megacreature either flyes or climbs out.

Godzilla and Kong fight again, this time in the middle of Hong Kong (billions of victims). No matter how many skyscraper they do destroy, however, the overall number never changes. In HK, destroyed skyscrapers immediately rebuild themselves off screen.

"It seems that this round went to Kong!" - at once Godzilla KOs Kong for good.

Godzilla doesn't fire his breath against Kong face, from 5 yards away, and thus closing the battle, because... reasons.

Mechagodzilla is turned on and, in a plot twist everybody saw coming, immediately goes rogue. He kills the bad guy in a stunning display of monstrous, mechanical violence, but the plucky trio standing three yards from him is spared.

It turns out that the bad guy is the unsung hero of the movie. Godzilla and Kong were bound to bring untold destruction upon the World - but, thanks to him creating Mechagodzilla, they now have a common enemy and will be able to be friends.

The plucky trio can't divine out of thin air the password to a multibillion dollar project. They just can't have a break.

The plucky trio destroys the console instead, and Mechagodzilla short-circuits. Wait... Didn't it just go rogue? Why it is still connected to the console at all?

The end. Mechagodzilla lies in ruins, Godzilla returns to the sea against the setting sun, Kong returns to the Hollow Earth and everybody is happy.

Well, it was fun! [:)] Writing this I mean, not the movie...

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: Lobster

Immersion is important. To get there you have to have some plausible things happen that people can relate to in the real world. If you break reality completely then there will be problems with immersion. Don't take my word for it, there have been lots of studies.

The most important thing for a movie (or any other form of storytelling) is to give the illusion that you are watching a window into an alternate reality. Something as banal as a bad special effect, an implausible decision or even a microphone accidentally entering the scene is enough to destroy this illusion.

"Inception" at his core, is all about this. Even Christopher Nolan said how the main inspiration was "making a movie".

[MrsWargamer]

That's all I can say

I've always wondered, why can people enjoy Hershey bars over and over? They're always the same.

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer



That's all I can say

I've always wondered, why can people enjoy Hershey bars over and over? They're always the same.

Only if they have almonds. [;)]

[MrsWargamer]

Nah, I'm a purist, chocolate is best when it is smooth, creamy and no bits in it.

Hershey's Special Dark or just milk chocolate. But Dark is good if you are vegan (so I'm told).

[bomccarthy]

You think Mighty Mouse could beat up Superman?

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: bomccarthy

You think Mighty Mouse could beat up Superman?

how about Son Goku vs. Superman

(ducks behind the blast shield)

[:D]

[MrsWargamer]

Heck, forget about mice or men.

Sailor Moon can beat Superman. She saved the entire Galaxy once, and with just the power of a pure heart.

[Nikademus]

ah.....well there was just the smalllllllll little controversy created by this "Internet Influencer" regarding such things...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0D0VGomWb4

Apparently Superman has "NO LIMITS".


kind of like the Hulk. [:D]

[RFalvo69]

I think that Doctor Strange can beat Superman.

I don't have many references because I never liked Superman (even if I liked the two first movies by Richard Donner and, even if not exactly "liked", I think that "Man of Steel" was better than the critics and the public allowed).

No one can beat Wily E. Coyote. It may seem a paradox, but nothing ever killed the coyote.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

I think that Doctor Strange can beat Superman.

I don't have many references because I never liked Superman (even if I liked the two first movies by Richard Donner and, even if not exactly "liked", I think that "Man of Steel" was better than the critics and the public allowed).

No one can beat Wily E. Coyote. It may seem a paradox, but nothing ever killed the coyote.

He finally did get the Roadrunner but it ruined him. But he bounced back. [;)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQEsbLORkNo

Edit: Warning for adult language.

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

No one can beat Wily E. Coyote. It may seem a paradox, but nothing ever killed the coyote.

Well, Mr Coyote may very well be immune to lethal damage, but he can also never win.

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

No one can beat Wily E. Coyote. It may seem a paradox, but nothing ever killed the coyote.

Well, Mr Coyote may very well be immune to lethal damage, but he can also never win.

But he gets a participation trophy right?

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

No one can beat Wily E. Coyote. It may seem a paradox, but nothing ever killed the coyote.

Well, Mr Coyote may very well be immune to lethal damage, but he can also never win.

The important teaching for the children is that he also never quits.

The same is true for Rocky, BTW.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Lobster

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

No one can beat Wily E. Coyote. It may seem a paradox, but nothing ever killed the coyote.

Well, Mr Coyote may very well be immune to lethal damage, but he can also never win.

But he gets a participation trophy right?

Nope, never. No such trophies.

[MrsWargamer]

Cartoons are dangerous for children and should be banned.

Some kids actually think they can fly.
Some kids think if they smash the dog with a bat it won't end badly.
Then there are bombs.
No, you don't get 3 seconds to unfall off a cliff.
Animals actually don't act like people.
In the real world, death actually happens.

[Lobster]

There is no graphic sex and graphic violence on tv in the evenings either. Ever. So the kids are safe. Until you turn the tv on. [;)]

Heck the evening news is more violent than cartoons ever were. "The scenes you are about to see are disturbing so turn off the tv if you think it may bother you". So, like a good midwestern citizen in tornado alley during a tornado warning, you do what you're supposed to do, you go look. [:D]

Nah, that wasn't so bad. Last night they showed some dismembered bodies.