CLGA 1805/1809 owners

[grosbil]

Hi everybody,
before buying this new game, I wanted to test CLGA 1805/1809,
I have the game (V1.01) but I can't find the last patch (V1.14), the link on the adanac seem to be a dead one...
Where can I find it (for W98)...

[James Quinn]

Dear Michael,

What a generous offer. E-mail has been sent.

BTW, this debate has continued on another forum. At that forum early on I wrote some things I would revise now. My apologies for venting my anger on a public forum.

Basically this is an issue of my feeling like I am being treated shabbily by Matrix Games. If I knew some way to send the money for this game directly to Frank Hunter for an updated copy, I would send that check tomorrow. Mr. Hunter does good work and I am happy to support him. CLGA is a fine game and I have recommended it to other Napoleonic gamers.

I continue to have nothing positive to say about Matrix Games. I note my offer to send them my old CLGA CD and the money difference between what they are charging for the game and what I already paid for it went unanswered. That was both an honest and reasonable offer at resolution.

Best Regards,
James Quinn

[Reiryc]

ORIGINAL: James Quinn

Dear Michael,

What a generous offer. E-mail has been sent.

BTW, this debate has continued on another forum. At that forum early on I wrote some things I would revise now. My apologies for venting my anger on a public forum.

Basically this is an issue of my feeling like I am being treated shabbily by Matrix Games. If I knew some way to send the money for this game directly to Frank Hunter for an updated copy, I would send that check tomorrow. Mr. Hunter does good work and I am happy to support him. CLGA is a fine game and I have recommended it to other Napoleonic gamers.

I continue to have nothing positive to say about Matrix Games. I note my offer to send them my old CLGA CD and the money difference between what they are charging for the game and what I already paid for it went unanswered. That was both an honest and reasonable offer at resolution.

Best Regards,
James Quinn

How is that reasonable?

Matrix games received none of the money from the first version of the game. Thus for them to send out this game only for the price difference makes no sense. It would be one thing if they published the first game, but they didn't, thus they shouldn't have to shoulder the burden of the cost to previous owners.

Could you atleast explain how you find your suggestion to be a reasonable offer?

[ggallagher]

James/All:

Having been a responder to James re this issue on another forum, let me try to jump in and attempt a semi-resolution to the debate.:

Bottom line is that James feels slighted by Matrix Games specifically as it relates to the CotD upgrade, and more generally in regards to the quality of their games and overall marketing approach.

James is certainly free to harbor such feelings, even if some/most of us don't share in those sentiments. Trying to convince James otherwise is clearly not going to prove successful.

On the other hand, James should not attempt to sway the readers of this forum that some/all of us need to come to his point of view. Clearly, the response both here and on the other forum has been overwhelmingly in opposition to his point of view re Matrix.

So let's all just agree to disagree and move on to m ore important matters....the actual playing of the games!

BTW, to his credit, James retracted one of his more impassioned comments re Matrix.....well done, IMHO

Gregg

P.S.: Once again we wargamers live up to our self-descriptor....."grognards"

[Reiryc]

ORIGINAL: ggallagher

James/All:

Having been a responder to James re this issue on another forum, let me try to jump in and attempt a semi-resolution to the debate.:

Bottom line is that James feels slighted by Matrix Games specifically as it relates to the CotD upgrade, and more generally in regards to the quality of their games and overall marketing approach.

James is certainly free to harbor such feelings, even if some/most of us don't share in those sentiments. Trying to convince James otherwise is clearly not going to prove successful.

On the other hand, James should not attempt to sway the readers of this forum that some/all of us need to come to his point of view. Clearly, the response both here and on the other forum has been overwhelmingly in opposition to his point of view re Matrix.

So let's all just agree to disagree and move on to m ore important matters....the actual playing of the games!

BTW, to his credit, James retracted one of his more impassioned comments re Matrix.....well done, IMHO

Gregg

I understand that, but it doesn't make much logical sense.

He is upset with matrix for not footing the bill of an upgraded game when they had no interaction with the first version. How can he expect matrix to assume that burden?

What's more, is there something stopping him from making his own comments on the issue? I appreciate your point of view, but I find it odd that he doesn't engage the other's here when the title of the thread indicates he was addressing owners of the original game.

[James Quinn]

How is that reasonable?

Matrix games received none of the money from the first version of the game. Thus for them to send out this game only for the price difference makes no sense. It would be one thing if they published the first game, but they didn't, thus they shouldn't have to shoulder the burden of the cost to previous owners.

Could you atleast explain how you find your suggestion to be a reasonable offer?

Matrix incurred no expenses in the development of this game until they aided Mr. Hunter in the final upgrade starting a few months ago. Probably 90%+ of the work was done by Mr. Hunter with no support from Matrix Games. Yet they are charging full price for the game as if they paid for the development of it. Myself and other owners of CLGA already paid Mr. Hunter for his development of the coding. I did not mind sending Mr. Hunter the money for the game. I am less happy sending money to Matrix because they helped Frank improve the graphics and market his game. Matrix is asking for money for something they had little role in developing.

I'm willing to pay Matrix the $6 for their part of the work on this game. Since they are charging $6 more for the game then Adanac Command Studies charged I assume they improved the game $6 worth.

Is it more clear to you now?

You seem to think that I want to deny Matrix money that is rightfully theirs. Why do you think this? They didn't design the game. Many of us have already paid for it once. We don't exactly want to pay for it again.

Best Regards,
James Quinn

[Reiryc]

ORIGINAL: James Quinn

How is that reasonable?

Matrix games received none of the money from the first version of the game. Thus for them to send out this game only for the price difference makes no sense. It would be one thing if they published the first game, but they didn't, thus they shouldn't have to shoulder the burden of the cost to previous owners.

Could you atleast explain how you find your suggestion to be a reasonable offer?

Matrix incurred no expenses in the development of this game until they aided Mr. Hunter in the final upgrade starting a few months ago. Probably 90%+ of the work was done by Mr. Hunter with no support from Matrix Games. Yet they are charging full price for the game as if they paid for the development of it. Myself and other owners of CLGA already paid Mr. Hunter for his development of the coding. I did not mind sending Mr. Hunter the money for the game. I am less happy sending money to Matrix because they helped Frank improve the graphics and market his game. Matrix is asking for money for something they had little role in developing.

I'm willing to pay Matrix the $6 for their part of the work on this game. Since they are charging $6 more for the game then Adanac Command Studies charged I assume they improved the game $6 worth.

Is it more clear to you now?

You seem to think that I want to deny Matrix money that is rightfully theirs. Why do you think this? They didn't design the game. Many of us have already paid for it once. We don't exactly want to pay for it again.

Best Regards,
James Quinn

So you are basing your objections on an assumption?

Since they are charging $6 more for the game then Adanac Command Studies charged I assume they improved the game $6 worth.

Does it also occur to you that they must pay for the bandwith costs when people download the game? Marketing and graphics development are a part of the product and as such they are entitled to recoup the costs and make a profit. Additionally, hunter signed a deal with matrix making it their game to be produced. As hunter himself said, "So it would mean asking a company that had nothing to do with the previous game to sell their game for $6, which would not be fair to Matrix.

[David Heath]

ORIGINAL: James Quinn

Dear Michael,

What a generous offer. E-mail has been sent.

BTW, this debate has continued on another forum. At that forum early on I wrote some things I would revise now. My apologies for venting my anger on a public forum.

Basically this is an issue of my feeling like I am being treated shabbily by Matrix Games. If I knew some way to send the money for this game directly to Frank Hunter for an updated copy, I would send that check tomorrow. Mr. Hunter does good work and I am happy to support him. CLGA is a fine game and I have recommended it to other Napoleonic gamers.

I continue to have nothing positive to say about Matrix Games. I note my offer to send them my old CLGA CD and the money difference between what they are charging for the game and what I already paid for it went unanswered. That was both an honest and reasonable offer at resolution.

Best Regards,
James Quinn

Hi James

I do not understand why or how you can say anything negtive about Matrix Games. You never purchased anything from us so you do not play our games so what can it be. I didn't answer because both Frank Hunter and myself figured his answer was all that had to be said. As it seems to me you must have some axe you got to grind.

David

[MarkT]

Until 3 weeks ago, I never even heard of Matrix, and I like them...
I've only purchased 1 game so far....

Not for long...[;)]