Hmmm...

[Capitaine]

Well, I've dabbled with the editor for KP a bit and that doesn't necessarily make a conversion "easy". Perhaps BiN's editor will be more "user friendly"?

Anyway, with the "one action per turn" rubric in place, this affects many more things than just combat (the rate of which is also doubled). You have to consider the number of bridge demolitions and repairs, air sorties, barrages, and a host of other 1-action-per-turn "details" when making such a dramatic shift (1/2-day to 1 day = 100% time increase).

Perhaps SSG can enlighten us on which scale they now believe more faithfully reflects historical capability concerning the aforementioned (and other implicated) procedures?

In a word, some genuine, honest, designers' notes on what is deemed to be a "better scale" for the engine. [:)]

[JSS]

ORIGINAL: Capitaine

Well, I've dabbled with the editor for KP a bit and that doesn't necessarily make a conversion "easy". Perhaps BiN's editor will be more "user friendly"?

Anyway, with the "one action per turn" rubric in place, this affects many more things than just combat (the rate of which is also doubled). You have to consider the number of bridge demolitions and repairs, air sorties, barrages, and a host of other 1-action-per-turn "details" when making such a dramatic shift (1/2-day to 1 day = 100% time increase).

Captaine,

The new editor is awesome. In addition to being user friendly I expect it will come with a very good user's guide.

Once you see BiN in action many of your once per turn questions will answer themselves. Believe I read in one of the AARs that engineers can have their chances of blowing bridge success adjusted to being as effective as the designer wants. Number of bridges repaired would be something that having two turns per day would affect greatly... the 1 day per turn fits this better IMHO. Interdiction, movement rates, etc... should be scaled so that it would make little difference in terms of 1 or 2 turns per 24 hour period.

JSS

[Capitaine]

Thanks JSS. If some of those "one action" issues are resolved perhaps the new engine will make the differing scales more palatable for some of us! [8D]

Anyway, I will buy BiN when available. The AAR between Roger and Rob is very interesting and the basic DB game concept very attractive. [:)]

[freeboy]

does anyone care to give us a guess at gold dates.. ssg's sight still states second quarter.. that is June right? ok.. just wondering.. thanks for what I believe will be your best yet..

[Kent Pfeiffer]

ORIGINAL: Rob Gjessing

Ermm.. the game would have been too long?

For whom? The full campaign in Normandy 44 was 400+ turns. Compared to that, the 80 or so that would have been required for BiN hardly seems unreasonable. Besides, isn't the campaign broken into two parts, one scenario for the landings and one for the breakout?

[Kent Pfeiffer]

If you look at the scale of BiN it makes a lot of sense to have day long turns. This really works well as simulating the ability of one side to react to the other. If you do two turns a day then players (especially the German side) can micromanage the units and send large formations rushing about the battle. At one day per turn you have to anticipate your opponent's moves and keep a reserve (if possible).

JSS

That sounds perfectly reasonable, but then why is TAO being maintained at 2 turns/day? Pretty much the same scale, right?

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

does anyone care to give us a guess at gold dates.. ssg's sight still states second quarter.. that is June right? ok.. just wondering.. thanks for what I believe will be your best yet..

My guess would be after Origins since WitP has been announced for Origins and BiN has not.

[freeboy]

Elmo,
Probably a work backlog at matrix, getting new games up and out the door is time consuming, as is getting all the coordination for origins.. soo hopefully we will see dd after origins.. those aars look great! I am really looking forward to the new editor.. are you on r5 ladder?

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

Elmo,
Probably a work backlog at matrix, getting new games up and out the door is time consuming, as is getting all the coordination for origins.. soo hopefully we will see dd after origins.. those aars look great! I am really looking forward to the new editor.. are you on r5 ladder?

Yup, as Elmo.

[ravinhood]

This is my first highly anticipated wargame from Matrix. I'm a European WWII war buff, so I've waited patiently past Korsun Pocket and HTTR for this game. So can you please hurry it up? And I hope you are going to Africa next, that is my 2nd favorite area of WWII. Sorry, I'm not a russian front fan and wouldn't enjoy playing either the russians or the germans. I must crush the Axis with the superpowerful Americans and Patton.

[wodin]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

This is my first highly anticipated wargame from Matrix. I'm a European WWII war buff, so I've waited patiently past Korsun Pocket and HTTR for this game. So can you please hurry it up? And I hope you are going to Africa next, that is my 2nd favorite area of WWII. Sorry, I'm not a russian front fan and wouldn't enjoy playing either the russians or the germans. I must crush the Axis with the superpowerful Americans and Patton.

How come you passed Korsun Pocket and HTTR?

Both are european WW2 games?

HTTR is the Western Front just like BIN.

[daniel123]

the current AAR has ended. the game was not finished out. the new rules are taking the SSG game format to a new level.

[Gregor_SSG]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

This is my first highly anticipated wargame from Matrix. I'm a European WWII war buff, so I've waited patiently past Korsun Pocket and HTTR for this game. So can you please hurry it up? And I hope you are going to Africa next, that is my 2nd favorite area of WWII. Sorry, I'm not a russian front fan and wouldn't enjoy playing either the russians or the germans. I must crush the Axis with the superpowerful Americans and Patton.

There can't be a Second Front if the First (Russian) Front collapses! Perhaps I could say that BIN is being delayed because not enough people have done their patriotic duty and fought the Axis by purchasing and playing Korsun Pocket and Across the Dnepr. That statement would be a total lie of course, so I'd have to be wearing my Marketing Manager hat when I said it, to make it OK!

So we're doing our best to get BIN out as soon as possible. Perhaps you could consider playing Korsun Pocket as training. That way you'll be better prepared for final victory.

Gregor

[JSS]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

This is my first highly anticipated wargame from Matrix. I'm a European WWII war buff, so I've waited patiently past Korsun Pocket and HTTR for this game. So can you please hurry it up? And I hope you are going to Africa next, that is my 2nd favorite area of WWII. Sorry, I'm not a russian front fan and wouldn't enjoy playing either the russians or the germans. I must crush the Axis with the superpowerful Americans and Patton.

Ravinhood,

In case you missed it the Ardennes Offensive is beautifully done and available in KP. This gives you almost all of Third US Army to fight the Battle of the Bulge.

It also would jump start you toward fully enjoying BiN[:D] If you understand the basic concepts for playing KP you can start right away playing BiN all out!

JSS

[freeboy]

Has anyone seen a suggested retail price yet.. just curious... alot of new games are coming out dd, as was atd.

[freeboy]

has anyone seen a new gold date.. June seems gone now.. too bad

[JSS]

Still a week left in Jun... wouldn't count it out just yet until you hear something official...

[freeboy]

ok, all the boys from Matrix seem to be goiong to Origins for the weekend.. so that leaves 28-30 anyone want odds it does not go retail gold.. ie available for download befor Aug 1st? Are we allowed to gamble on these forums if we break no civil laws...???[&:][:D]

[ravinhood]

How come you passed Korsun Pocket and HTTR?

Both are european WW2 games?

HTTR is the Western Front just like BIN.

Yah I should have said early WESTERN European front WWII fan. I cut my teeth on D-DAY, Battle of the Bulge and Africa Korp and have always been influenced by those games. Although I did have Stalingrad, I just never liked it. I don't know why I have no interest in HTTR, I think cause it was a bad day for the Brits, that bridge too far thing. And Korsun Pocket is Russians vs the Germans right? Eastern front? Never liked the eastern front.

I am a big fan of the Pacific War though, and will probably buy War in the Pacific by Grigsby. I love killin japs, reminds me of that movie GUNG HO, lol, where that guy comes in and they ask him why he wants to be a ranger and he says "I just wanna kill japs" lol that was me all over. Now I don't mean Japanese as far as today goes, I love Japanese and Chinese and just about any oriental "women"! hehe But, really I have no animosity towards Japanese today, I just sort of fall into a roleplay during WWII games I do play and that's just how I feel and play. GUNG HO!

[ravinhood]

Ravinhood,

In case you missed it the Ardennes Offensive is beautifully done and available in KP. This gives you almost all of Third US Army to fight the Battle of the Bulge

See I never knew this, I would or will buy KORSUN POCKET for the Battle of the Bulge scenario.

Thanks for the info.

I kept seeing Korsun Pocket on the shelves, but, always bypassed it because was told it was some eastern front encounter. Sorry I just can't get into the eastern front, probably because my brother bounced me off the concrete too much in my youth, and probably because all he ever wanted to play were Western Front games. lol