So the Japanese never invented the bulldozer?

[Montbrun]

Sure - I know that they employed several small 3-5 ton prime movers, and, if I recall, a few 8-13 ton ones as well....

[Mr.Frag]

Just for clarity sake ... understand that all a bulldozer is from the game's perspective is 10 engineers.

[mongo]

Really?

That's surprising comparing how much more earth could be moved via dozer than shovel.

[BPRE]

ORIGINAL: mongo

Really?

That's surprising comparing how much more earth could be moved via dozer than shovel.

But one engineer is not equal to one person. I think it's a squad of engineers.

/BPRE


/BPRE

[Mr.Frag]

But one engineer is not equal to one person. I think it's a squad of engineers.

Correct

[mdiehl]

WW II Japanese Postcard depicting a pretty good sized bulldozer.

That's not a bulldozer. That's my grand-uncle's farm tractor.

These are bulldozers.

[Drongo]

Typical Allied Farm-boy response. [8|]

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Just for clarity sake ... understand that all a bulldozer is from the game's perspective is 10 engineers.

According to WitP manual it is 5 engineering squads and not 10... [;)]


Leo "Apollo11"

[tsimmonds]

quote:

WW II Japanese Postcard depicting a pretty good sized bulldozer.

That's not a bulldozer. That's my grand-uncle's farm tractor.

These are bulldozers.

That was exactly what I had been thinking. There's guys around here who have heavier equipment than that for mowing their grass.

[mdiehl]

According to WitP manual it is 5 engineering squads and not 10...

Wierd. One D8 can work as fast as a 500 guys with picks and shovels.

[pompack]

ORIGINAL: mdiehl

According to WitP manual it is 5 engineering squads and not 10...

Wierd. One D8 can work as fast as a 500 guys with picks and shovels.

[&:]500???[&:]

Not 50? (fast workers with big picks)

[G.Boggon]

To be fair, is it right to find fault in the game if some one can find a Bulldozer that is not included? The numbers mentioned could easily have been captured civilian machines there must have been plenty in the colonial infrastructure

[strawbuk]

too right - there is a lot bull to dozer around here though...[:'(]

[Mr.Frag]

According to WitP manual it is 5 engineering squads and not 10...

Might be the case, scope was doubled, possible effect was halved. [;)]

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

According to WitP manual it is 5 engineering squads and not 10...

Might be the case, scope was doubled, possible effect was halved. [;)]

Yep... good observation... it was 10 in UV... [;)]


Leo "Apollo11"

[mdiehl]

500??? Not 50? (fast workers with big picks)

500 AT LEAST. Really dedicated laborers can move alot of dirt (there's the examples of Chinese RR workers on the CenPac RR, and I've documented brickyard workers loading on the order of 12 tons bricks by hand in an 8 hour shift). But when you really want to move stuff and level dirt a serious bulldozer far outstrips any number of laborers. The disparity is even greater if the dirt you want to move is a hard (compacted) or has a high clay content.

We hired a guy to strip about 100,000 cubic yards of somewhat compact fill from a project (dirt and waste construction debris dumped by wildcat dumpers and driven on for a few years). He took it all off in about 7 hours using a D9 and he was not in anybody's idea of a "hurry." If the job had simply been to push all the fill to one side or another it would have taken less time still, but there was some dirtpile management involved because we had a limited amount of space in which to work.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: Drongo

Typical Allied Farm-boy response. [8|]

Hehe [:D]

[Bandkanon]

I remember reading somewhere that the Japanese had the capacity to build only a dozen bulldozers a year during the war. I think thats a good reason why the Japanese do not really have any heavy engineering vehicles.

[Montbrun]

1) If one "engineering vehicle" = 5 engineering squads, a "typical" US Engineer Battalion would be = approximately 130 - 180 squads, and a Japanese Engineer Battalion would have approximately 36 squads - a ratio of 3.6:1 - 5:1. Considering transport and supplies, I have no problem with this. These numbers tell us that the "typical" US Engineer Battalion is 3.6 - 5.0 times more efficient within the game system.
2) I would like to see a wartime Japanese engineering unit ToE with equipment establishments, if anybody has one. I haven't been able to find anything in 25 years of "collecting" this stuff....

[MadDawg]

Can anyone tell me why in some scenarios the Japanese are building contruction vehicles then? I figured that they much have a limited supply in WITP as in the scenario I am currently playing they are being produced.

Dawg