RHS (CVO) 3.0 Kafkaesque Inconsistencies

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Mifune

"If you told me the squadron I could check - but either this is right or it is an error (that should cover it)! I did look up every PV-1 unit - so I don't know if this is a case that got changed or not? Which unit? I will gladly update it if it is wrong - but I can hardly do that unless I know which one to look up." It looks like it only applies to CVO air group #1642. The other scenarios look alright to me.

This turns out to be true - so I assume that one is wrong. But how does ONE get wrong? Even RAO is right - and it has the IDENTICAL air group file! I long suspected out editor changes fields at will: my suspicion continues to grow.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Mifune

"but this one didn't. Strange. Did I ever say I hate this editor?" I believe maybe once or twice before. [:D] Ironic that the new editor will be available by the time most of your typing is done. Or maybe I should say hopefully so.

I take no chances: IF I depended on faith, and waited, we would not get it. And we would get no work done sooner either.

[el cid again]

[quote]ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

4) a month ago or so I posted another 2 possible inconsistences (which wasn’t fixed. And you didn’t say “oh, this was intended”):
a) the USAAF Base Forces will not get radars

This may be a bum rap. The USAAF base forces are listed as having two sound detectors (Allied). These should upgrade to radars. Any reason you don't think they will?

[el cid again]

[quote]ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

El Cid Again, here we go again. More inconsistencies that is:
b) the RAAF Base Forces (except the No.101) have a weird TOE. Look at them.

There are indeed wierd RAAF bases. On purpose. So Rabaul gets its 6 inch CD guns for one reason. And they hide supply sinks in that and other cases. You will find "wierd" things in many units - these usually are supply sinks - and sometimes also they support civil airlines. [In the case of the Allies the Empire Flying Boats are run by Quantas and BOAC, and these hub units are fixed - inside other units! They double as supply sinks too. The air support units will refuel your military planes, but not deploy to forward bases. If someone objects that they will also arm planes, too bad: how hard is it to mount guns and bombs. And some Empire Flying boats - a whole 2 - DID fly armed. So if anything I am understating the capability - making all be unarmed. But yes, if you fly a military plane at a city with civil air support - and have no military air support - the civilian guys will arm your plane. These are small capabilities and I do not regard them as a problem. Japan has a similar capability for its militarized airlines - in groups of 16 support crews.]

[TulliusDetritus]

El Cid Again, as a matter of fact, I do use Andrew Brown's map, mod. Are you sure "you never did USAAF Base Forces"?? Have you tried clicking on "Show Unit TOE" button? [;)] When you do that you may see that Radars = (0). But in Andrew's mod you may see (2) => and you get 2 radars, indeed (when they are available). Are you sure the USAAF Base Forces in your mod will get radars? I am not accusing. I am asking.

[TulliusDetritus]

RHS CVO 3.11

I see that you have tried to fix the USAAF Base Forces thing. Before, when you clicked on "Show Unit TOE", you could see SCR-270 Radar = (0) [on the other hand the USN Base Forces showed the correct upgrade: SCR-270 Radar = (2)]

Now (and I am talking about 3.11) the radars have just disappeared, sorry... The USAAF Base Forces will upgrade to er... Sound Detector (A) = (2)

I looked at the Industry/ressource/etc. pool. The SCR-270 radars have "disappeared". Literally. They are not produced anymore [8D]

As for the RAAF Base Forces, believe me, they are "weird" (except the No.101). I mean, when they upgrade they lose many "things": aviation support, etc. Intended?

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

El Cid Again, as a matter of fact, I do use Andrew Brown's map, mod. Are you sure "you never did USAAF Base Forces"?? Have you tried clicking on "Show Unit TOE" button? [;)] When you do that you may see that Radars = (0). But in Andrew's mod you may see (2) => and you get 2 radars, indeed (when they are available). Are you sure the USAAF Base Forces in your mod will get radars? I am not accusing. I am asking.

Maybe I did "convert" the radars to sound detectors. In my data set LATER units arrive with radar but EARLY units arrive with sound detectors - and these UPGRADE to radars. I have found some slot issues between formations and units for some minor nations - and fixed these - so the arrival of a radar (or whatever) won't kill your infantry (or AAA or whatever). I see some differences with CHS - apparently I rearranged slot order to deal with reported issues (like detection must come last - nothing after a detector will function - an issue Joe thinks may be bogus - but I try to take no chances except on purpose). Anyway, I like the organization pretty much - except I wonder about the AAA - is it enough?
But these guys all get radar some day - and some start with it (e.g. there is a radar at major UK base forces - but not in the hinterlands). Even the Russians point at formations that eventually get them there - via sound detectors.

[TulliusDetritus]

7) CA Houston is not in the game. It "disappeared".
8) american CA's and CL's have [again] R4D-Skytrains.

As for the art: TBD Devastators have the Hurricane II (I think) pic. The Ansons's => the P-38 (I think).

[Mifune]

The CA Houston has dissapeared the sunk date is now 27012 instead of 420604

[Mifune]

Airgroups #2065-2105 do have aircraft#165 R4d-5 Skytrain

[Herrbear]

Also airgroups 2108 - 2117

Also Group 2117 shows location as 3337 - Lost CL Respawn area

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Mifune

The CA Houston has dissapeared the sunk date is now 27012 instead of 420604

It is indeed wrong in 2 of 6 scenarios. Not sure why that is - but it will be correct in 3.31 variants onward. She didn't last long - but was the only CA in the Asiatic Fleet and it seems wrong not to let her have her go.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Herrbear

Also airgroups 2108 - 2117

Also Group 2117 shows location as 3337 - Lost CL Respawn area

True in all scenarios. It should be 3336 - down one slot - and so it will be from 3.31 level.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Mifune

Airgroups #2065-2105 do have aircraft#165 R4d-5 Skytrain

Turns out 2 of 6 scenarios had the wrong plane - don't ask why - I have no clue? The should have aircraft 160 - and will from 3.31 level.

[akdreemer]

ORIGINAL: el cid again

Maybe I did "convert" the radars to sound detectors. In my data set LATER units arrive with radar but EARLY units arrive with sound detectors - and these UPGRADE to radars.

Not quite correct here. Units that have sound detectors will change to radar when the radar in available. If radar(0) is showing then this means that radars were assigned with 0 qty.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: AlaskanWarrior

ORIGINAL: el cid again

Maybe I did "convert" the radars to sound detectors. In my data set LATER units arrive with radar but EARLY units arrive with sound detectors - and these UPGRADE to radars.

Not quite correct here. Units that have sound detectors will change to radar when the radar in available. If radar(0) is showing then this means that radars were assigned with 0 qty.

Well - I have reviewed the formations as well as the units - and they are what I want them to be - for now. I am considering a total revamp of radar - but we need to see how it works with my present reforms? The revamp would lose national differences - and production issues arise as well - so I hope the present system works well enough. In this case I found some things not quite as intended - and I made formation and unit slots synchronize better. I think what happens is that someone adds some device - not realizing that a formation may overwrite it.

[Herrbear]

I notice that the following units have Device 85 4.2in Mortar listed as a type 18 Naval Gun.

2001 USA Cavlary Div
2002 USA Infantry Div
2007 USA Infantry Rgt

Shouldn't their TOE be Device 430 4.2in Mortar listed as a type 19 Army Weapon.

Also, Melbourne and Sydney are producing the P-63 and the B-29. Shouldn't this be the Wirraway and the Beaufort?

[akdreemer]

ORIGINAL: Herrbear

I notice that the following units have Device 85 4.2in Mortar listed as a type 18 Naval Gun.

2001 USA Cavlary Div
2002 USA Infantry Div
2007 USA Infantry Rgt

Shouldn't their TOE be Device 430 4.2in Mortar listed as a type 19 Army Weapon.

Also, Melbourne and Sydney are producing the P-63 and the B-29. Shouldn't this be the Wirraway and the Beaufort?

nope, the US Army Divisions were not issued 4.2" mortars, they were only issued to Chemical Mortar Btns. In this the Stock scenarios are very much in error. However, they sure were not issued naval guns either.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Herrbear

I notice that the following units have Device 85 4.2in Mortar listed as a type 18 Naval Gun.

2001 USA Cavlary Div
2002 USA Infantry Div
2007 USA Infantry Rgt

Shouldn't their TOE be Device 430 4.2in Mortar listed as a type 19 Army Weapon.

It is - and your listing implies you have the wrong device file.

Also, Melbourne and Sydney are producing the P-63 and the B-29. Shouldn't this be the Wirraway and the Beaufort?

Yeah - this is a sneaky thing - these are listed on a page you don't normally see even if you do look at the cities. Move the plane slots and you get this effect! OK - I will fix it.


Get a load of the quantaties! IF they were Whiraways and Beauforts there would have been way too many. Well - I divided the Beauforts between the cities - and imports. The Wirraways are all at Melbourne - that seems wrong: they were built in RR Workshops - one at a time. Does that not mean they were spread all over the place? I guess we could do that - 1 per city?

[CobraAus]

The Wirraways are all at Melbourne

the Wirraway was built by the Commonweath aircraft corporation (CAC) 755 built
factory/plant was at Fishermans Bend Melbourne and in the main were used as trainers

cobra Aus