Dude vs Zeta - Hirohito Style

[mogami]

Hi, I must say I am very impressed. This is a normal Scenario 15 2 day turn PBEM?
I don't know how you are doing it. When you finish here would you care to try it again? Only I can't do 2 day turns. Too much of my playing style and planning methods are geared to 1 day turns.
I don't want to say "I see it but I don't believe it"
I think you have demonstrated you are in a class by yourself when it comes to organizing on a grand scale. I also don't want to be too hard on the Allied player. But I am stuck between a rock and a hard spot because I just can't see this happening to me.
I'll allow you to move the Japanese forces to any starting locations you want. (you'll have to send me the files before we begin since both players need the same data base. )
That should give you the freedom to not have to use the same plan again.

In exchange you declare where you want your surprise port attack. You can order port attacks elsewhere but I get to give orders everywhere except the surprsie port.

(In all my PBEM games currently under way I allowed the Allied player to give orders everywhere but PH) Other then that request you can do what ever you like.

[CMDRMCTOAST]

Would be an interesting AAR.

[Knaust]

don't waste your time...send me your files![:-]

[moses]

It certainly helps that with the two day turns and day one/two port attacks on Manila, Singapore, and PH the bulk of the allied navy was sunk/damaged on day one. A good chunk of the dutch navy engaged and was badly hurt on the second turn. Essentially from then on the Jp invasion was operating with massive naval superiority.

Under the rules proposed by Mogami I think things would be dramatically different against even a marginally competant allied player.

Even in the current game it still appears an open question whether the auto-victory will be achieved. If not the heavy losses of JP shipping will begin to tell and result in an early allied victory.

Also I'm curiious. How is the JP Oil/Resourse situation at this point.

[mogami]

Hi, I don't want to create the wrong impression. I think the Japanese are losing the war in this AAR in a most dramatic fashion. However WITP_Dude has been very good at gaining objectives. But Japan's number one weapon has been badley hurt. (The IJN)
Remember the games victory conditions are simple
points ratio
4-1 in 43
3-1 in 44
2-1 in 45/46

The are no other victory conditions. The game lasts till one player gains the required ratio or they both run out of turns. (Most players would consider a draw a Japanese victory)

The game currently has only a 1-1! ratio. Japan will never win this game it's that simple.

Also the Allied VP are for destroying Japanese units.
The Japanese VP include a lot of points from bases. The base point values will switch sides before the game is over.

This plan only makes sense if it gains the required ratio to win since in the long haul it loses faster.

So I have offered WITP_Dude a chance to set his starting array the way he likes.
Port attacks across the Pacific with surprise were not possible. If Japans early morning attacks follow the rising sun Pearl Harbor would be attacked hours before Manila could be attacked. (In actual war Manila was aware of PH strike while it was still in progress)
Singapore would be hours behind Manila. That is why I say the Allies get to issue orders across the map. (Come on China is already at war why are they restricted?)
I can't do 2 day turns. This game could also serve to note the differences between 1 and 2 day turns since WITP_Dude is used to using 2 day turns in this PBEM.

[WiTP_Dude]

ORIGINAL: moses

It certainly helps that with the two day turns and day one/two port attacks on Manila, Singapore, and PH the bulk of the allied navy was sunk/damaged on day one. A good chunk of the dutch navy engaged and was badly hurt on the second turn. Essentially from then on the Jp invasion was operating with massive naval superiority.

Under the rules proposed by Mogami I think things would be dramatically different against even a marginally competant allied player.

I don't know where this idea that the two-day turns have so dramatically helped the Japanese comes from. This reminds me of the talking political spinmasters you see on the talk shows. Where are the objective people rather than the partisans? Can we have some objective analysis for once?

Singapore

Day One

Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
G3M Nell x 98

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 19 destroyed, 35 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 14 destroyed, 4 damaged
Vildebeest IV: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Swordfish: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Isis, Bomb hits 1, on fire
MSW Toowoomba, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Prince of Wales, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage almost sunk
DD Vampire, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BC Repulse, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage almost sunk
DD Stronghold, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Mauritius, Bomb hits 1
DD Vendetta, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7

Day Two

Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
G3M Nell x 27

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 24 destroyed, 2 damaged
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage at best a little more minor damage
DD Isis, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5
Port hits 1

Pearl Harbor

Day One

Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68
Five Battleships sunk on DAY ONE, the other three have major damage!

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 9
A6M2 Zero x 116
D3A Val x 133
B5N Kate x 161
F1M2 Pete x 8
E13A1 Jake x 4

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
P-26A x 5
P-36A Mohawk x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A5M4 Claude: 11 destroyed
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
D3A Val: 12 destroyed, 38 damaged
B5N Kate: 34 destroyed, 59 damaged
F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Note all the destroyed fighters
F4F-3 Wildcat: 8 destroyed, 5 damaged
P-26A: 14 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 17 destroyed, 13 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 79 destroyed, 27 damaged
PBY Catalina: 29 destroyed, 34 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 19 destroyed, 7 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 14 destroyed, 15 damaged
A-20B Boston: 9 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 9, on fire, heavy damage Sunk Day One
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Major Damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, on fire Major Damage
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 2, on fire
BB California, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 7, on fire, heavy damage Sunk Day One
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 7, on fire, heavy damage Sunk Day One
CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CA San Francisco, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DMS Perry, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Alchiba, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 7, on fire, heavy damage Sunk Day One
DD Hull, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 9, on fire, heavy damage Sunk Day One
DD Shaw, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Aylwin, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, on fire Major Damage
AK Hirondelle, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Dale, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Blue, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AV Curtiss, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1


Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Note the damage to the airfield
Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 48

Day Two

Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68
Zero, I repeat, zero Battleships are sunk by second attack.

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 6
A6M2 Zero x 116
D3A Val x 111
B5N Kate x 115
F1M2 Pete x 3
E13A1 Jake x 4

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1
P-26A x 3
P-36A Mohawk x 1
P-40B Tomahawk x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Japs lose more planes and pilots than Americans. Good deal?
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
D3A Val: 13 destroyed, 42 damaged
B5N Kate: 19 destroyed, 30 damaged
F1M2 Pete: 3 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
P-26A: 8 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 6 destroyed, 3 damaged
PBY Catalina: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Sustains additional damage, but does not sink
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 9, on fire No torp hits, likely little additional damage.
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage No torp hits, likely little additional damage.
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PG Sacramento, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Helena, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Cummings, Bomb hits 1
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Case, Bomb hits 1
DD Hull, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
DM Gamble, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Florence D., Bomb hits 1, on fire
PC Tiger, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Farragut, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1


Allied ground losses:
112 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 24
Port hits 9
Port supply hits 2

Manilla

Day One

Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
CS/AV attack, causes minor damage to several subs.

Japanese aircraft
F1M2 Pete x 30
E13A1 Jake x 16

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed, 10 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 17 destroyed


Allied Ships
SS Perch, Bomb hits 1
SS Sculpin, Bomb hits 1
SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 1
AS Holland, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Don Jose, Bomb hits 1
SS Spearfish, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS Snapper, Bomb hits 1
AV Langley, Bomb hits 2, on fire
SS Shark, Bomb hits 1
AP President Madison, Bomb hits 1
AK Princess of Negros, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Pike, Bomb hits 1
SS S-41, Bomb hits 1

Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
Main attack, several subs sunk.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 75
G3M Nell x 79
G4M1 Betty x 50

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
G3M Nell: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 25 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Capillo, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Pike, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
SS Shark, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Swordfish, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Pope, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Compagnia Filipinas, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PG Isabel, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Perch, Bomb hits 1
SS Sealion, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 1
SS Tarpon, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PT PT-35, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Seal, Bomb hits 1
AS Holland, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Snapper, Bomb hits 1, on fire
TK Mindanao, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Peary, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Seadragon, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
SS Spearfish, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS S-38, Bomb hits 1


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 11

Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
Another wave of Betties sinks a few more subs.

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 12 damaged

Allied Ships
SS S-41, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
SS S-38, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Ethel Edwards, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AVD Childs, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Seawolf, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Searaven, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Sargo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
SS Swordfish, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Permit, Torpedo hits 1
SS Saury, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Paz, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AS Canopus, Torpedo hits 1, on fire


Day Two
SS-38 already hit by torp previous day, no new damage.

Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
F1M2 Pete x 12
E13A1 Jake x 2

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 4 destroyed


Allied Ships
SS S-38, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Pope, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
DD John D. Ford, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Don Jose, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS S-40, Bomb hits 1

Port hits 1

Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
No subs sunk at the cost of about 12 planes and pilots.

Japanese aircraft
F1M2 Pete x 28
E13A1 Jake x 26

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
F1M2 Pete: 21 destroyed, 2 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 11 destroyed, 9 damaged


Allied Ships
SS Saury, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AV Langley, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AS Otus, Bomb hits 1
AO Pecos, Bomb hits 1
SS Stingray, Bomb hits 1
SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Shark, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Don Jose, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
Only one sub reports heavy damage. Which one? The famous SS-38!

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 73
G3M Nell x 40
G4M1 Betty x 48

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
G3M Nell: 5 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 34 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AP President Madison, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Capillo, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
AK Anakan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS S-38, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS S-37, Bomb hits 1, on fire


Allied ground losses:
175 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 22
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

[WiTP_Dude]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, I don't want to create the wrong impression. I think the Japanese are losing the war in this AAR in a most dramatic fashion. However WITP_Dude has been very good at gaining objectives. But Japan's number one weapon has been badley hurt. (The IJN)
Remember the games victory conditions are simple
points ratio
4-1 in 43
3-1 in 44
2-1 in 45/46

Sorry, you seem to take Garry Grigsby's point system as the gospel truth. Let me explain a simple fact: it isn't. Under his system I could take San Francisco, San Diego, and Los Angelos and still "lose" the war if several more carriers and battleships sink. On the other hand, if a Jap player just takes Port Mosebly, secures the Solomans, keeps their fleet intact, advances in China, hides all their Nates in Siberia, and completes the conquest of Burma, Malaya, and the PI they would win. Sure, the US surrenders under those conditions with hundreds of carriers in the pipeline. Right. What was Grigby smoking when he came up with these victory points?

So I have offered WITP_Dude a chance to set his starting array the way he likes.

I don't know how to use the scenario editor and move units around.

Port attacks across the Pacific with surprise were not possible. If Japans early morning attacks follow the rising sun Pearl Harbor would be attacked hours before Manila could be attacked. (In actual war Manila was aware of PH strike while it was still in progress)

Funny, I thought the airfields on Luzon were surprised. Didn't they get the same warning? The reality is Clark Airfield was not prepared for the strike so it's likely the harbor at Manilla is in a similar state of panic and confusion.

(Come on China is already at war why are they restricted?)

Hey, it is true Zeta couldn't move the first two days in China. However it is also true I didn't move for the first ten days! You want to allow both sides to be able to move in China starting December 7th? Fine by me, I'll get to Sian even faster.

[WiTP_Dude]

ORIGINAL: moses

Also I'm curiious. How is the JP Oil/Resourse situation at this point.

I have several hundred thousand tons in reserve still. No problems.

[TIMJOT]

ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude



I don't know where this idea that the two-day turns have so dramatically helped the Japanese comes from. This reminds me of the talking political spinmasters you see on the talk shows. Where are the objective people rather than the partisans? Can we have some objective analysis for once?

OK dont know if you would consider it objective but here is an analysis nontheless. Torpedo attacks at Singapore Naval base and Cavite Manila were NOT remotely possible. Never mind "NIGHT" time torpedo attacks, which is the only way a "SURPRISE" attack could have occured at those locations. Lets just hope that Pry's port attack "FIX" will be adopted in V1.3

You have proven that the decision to leave litterally dozens of Allied squadrons and LCUs either out or delayed from the historic reinforcement oob is a mistake. As is the artifical on NEI/Brit a/c delayed upgraded rule. Again as you have aptly demonstrated allows the Japanese player to delay the conquest of the SRA without fear of reprocussions.

Very nice work executing your plan

Regards

[mogami]

Hi, The airfields in PI were hit after the USAAF groups had landed due to a SNFAU not Japanese surprise. PI launched all aircraft in response to PH attack. Ships in Manila were underway hours before any Japanese strike could have arrived. Same for Singapore.
It was Dec 8 1941 in Singapore when it was Dec 7 at PH. Force "Z" Pow and Repulse were underway from Singapore before any Japanese port attack could have been directed against them in port.
Yes it is very easy to lose more taking a base then the base is worth in VP so what? Thats part of the problem with this plan in the first place. What good does it do Japan to conquer places but lose it's war making potentional in the process. Japan can kill it's self winning but that has been a problem military forces have always had to consider.
"Is it worth it"?

Long ago in testing we knew the Japanese could capture Pearl Harbor if they really wanted to. I never plan for it because I always answer that question "No it is not worth it"

As for 2 day turns, it's just not how I operate. I can't see the point of playing a game with detail and then cutting my influence in half and trying to quess what is going to happen in 2 days when I can just adjust to events as they occur not after they are over. I think it is an advantage in Naval combat in favor of the force that arrives undetected. Not only does it get that first day (same as in 1 day turns) but it gets a 2nd day as well (not going to happen in 1 day turns) But it's not really about advantage I just plan and play based on my having control every day. I do things in 1 day turns that I would never try in 2 day.

[moses]

My main point wasn't the two day turn but the ability to launch turn one port attacks on all 3 main ports. The two day turns just magnify the effects of these attacks somewhat. It clearly has to be conceded that the first turn strikes far exceeded what was historically plausable. They may have been a mathematically possible but lets be serious. Taking out the US BB fleet, the British BB fleet and most of the sub fleet at Manila by 8 Dec would have been a naval disaster without precedent. Since this result can be reliably achieved in the game before the allied player has any chance to respond it normally should be prevented by house rules.

Now players can play however they like using whatever agreements they desire or no agreements at all. My point was that if you start out by destroying most of the allied navy in the first turn or two, it should not be a surprise to see the JP forces run wild. If on the other hand the allies are left with something to fight with,the JP player will not be likely to achieve such rapid results.

Not trying to start a fight as its been an interesting AAR. I'm just killing time waiting for the patch.

[WiTP_Dude]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, The airfields in PI were hit after the USAAF groups had landed due to a SNFAU not Japanese surprise. PI launched all aircraft in response to PH attack. Ships in Manila were underway hours before any Japanese strike could have arrived. Same for Singapore.
It was Dec 8 1941 in Singapore when it was Dec 7 at PH. Force "Z" Pow and Repulse were underway from Singapore before any Japanese port attack could have been directed against them in port.

Fine, then allow the Allied player to put their ships to sea on the first turn. They can still be sunk by Betties. There is no where to hide. Either:

A. They are kept in port where they can be hit by a prepared raid.
B. They leave port and chance being sunk like the Repulse and Prince of Wales.

No port attacks is a no go. What are these magic ports that can prepare their defense in only a few hours from an attack at dawn? Submarines will survive but the other ships are at risk. Having an arbitrary rule banning additional port attacks is nonsensical.

[WiTP_Dude]

ORIGINAL: moses

My main point wasn't the two day turn but the ability to launch turn one port attacks on all 3 main ports. The two day turns just magnify the effects of these attacks somewhat. It clearly has to be conceded that the first turn strikes far exceeded what was historically plausable. They may have been a mathematically possible but lets be serious. Taking out the US BB fleet, the British BB fleet and most of the sub fleet at Manila by 8 Dec would have been a naval disaster without precedent. Since this result can be reliably achieved in the game before the allied player has any chance to respond it normally should be prevented by house rules.

Now players can play however they like using whatever agreements they desire or no agreements at all. My point was that if you start out by destroying most of the allied navy in the first turn or two, it should not be a surprise to see the JP forces run wild. If on the other hand the allies are left with something to fight with,the JP player will not be likely to achieve such rapid results.

Players should come to an agreement as the following:

1. The surprise attack will come at X (be it Pearl Harbor or Manila/Singapore).
2. The Allied player may move his ships at Y out to sea if they so choose.
3. The Japanese player may attack Y with port attacks if they wish.

[WiTP_Dude]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Yes it is very easy to lose more taking a base then the base is worth in VP so what? Thats part of the problem with this plan in the first place. What good does it do Japan to conquer places but lose it's war making potentional in the process. Japan can kill it's self winning but that has been a problem military forces have always had to consider.
"Is it worth it"?

What war making potential? The Marianas Turkey Shoot? By the middle of 1943 Japan's only war making potential is to have control of territory and dig in. Keeping thousands of Zeros and Betties around is rather meaningless. The Japanese had a numerical advantage at the Turkey Shoot. Big deal. How many carriers and battleships did they have? A lot and it didn't help at all. It was still a Turkey Shoot.

[WhoCares]

ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude
Players should come to an agreement as the following:

1. The surprise attack will come at X (be it Pearl Harbor, Manilla, or Singapore).
2. The Allied player may move his ships at Y and Z out to sea if they so choose.
3. The Japanese player may attack Y and Z with port attacks if they wish.

The choice should be Pearl Harbor or Manila AND Singapore, as the latter two could be easily sync'ed.

[WiTP_Dude]

ORIGINAL: WhoCares

ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude
Players should come to an agreement as the following:

1. The surprise attack will come at X (be it Pearl Harbor, Manilla, or Singapore).
2. The Allied player may move his ships at Y and Z out to sea if they so choose.
3. The Japanese player may attack Y and Z with port attacks if they wish.

The choice should be Pearl Harbor or Manila AND Singapore, as the latter two could be easily sync'ed.

Yes, you are right. I will go back and modify my statement. Also, why can't all three be syncronized now that you mention it? Dawn attacks at Manila and Singapore with a noon time strike at Pearl Harbor.

[WiTP_Dude]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/16/42

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Night Air attack on Mersing , at 23,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 25

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
17 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
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Night Air attack on Aparri , at 46,49

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 43

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged


Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mersing , at 23,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 16
Ki-21 Sally x 50
Ki-46-II Dinah x 8

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
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Day Air attack on 17th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-153c x 7
I-16c x 7
SB-2c x 15


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
5 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
4 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 15th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-153c x 3
I-16c x 3
SB-2c x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st Tank Regiment, at 30,34


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 3
Blenheim IV x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
5 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 59th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 66th Chinese Corps, at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 9
E7K2 Alf x 8
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 6
Ki-51 Sonia x 13
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 1 damaged
E7K2 Alf: 3 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
8 x E7K2 Alf bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kuching , at 28,56

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
B5N Kate x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 2 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B5N Kate bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 29,54


Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 6
Wirraway x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Tokusima Maru
AK Turuga Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Isonami

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x Wirraway attacking at 100 feet
4 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Wirraway attacking at 100 feet
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Rangoon at 29,34
See, six PT boats!

Japanese Ships
PT Gyoraitei #1
PT Gyoraitei #2
PT Gyoraitei #3
PT Gyoraitei #4
PT Gyoraitei #5
PT Gyoraitei #6

Allied Ships
AK Legazpi, heavy damage


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Ground combat at 30,34

Japanese Deliberate attack
Disappointing, time to retreat again.


Attacking force 67645 troops, 456 guns, 437 vehicles

Defending force 74650 troops, 868 guns, 795 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1893 casualties reported
Guns lost 62
Vehicles lost 7

Allied ground losses:
637 casualties reported
Guns lost 51
Vehicles lost 2


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 191308 troops, 2008 guns, 11 vehicles

Defending force 185651 troops, 1085 guns, 76 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 129327 troops, 1021 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 203982 troops, 2008 guns, 296 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
117 casualties reported
Guns lost 8


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Ground combat at 30,34

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2745 troops, 105 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 76750 troops, 335 guns, 425 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 4


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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 39967 troops, 363 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 44859 troops, 407 guns, 62 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kodiak

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4372 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 7087 troops, 46 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported









AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/17/42


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Night Air attack on Mersing , at 23,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 30

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
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Night Air attack on Laoag , at 45,49

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Aparri , at 46,49

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Coastal Guns at Kuching, 28,56, firing at TF 90
TF 90 troops unloading over beach at Kuching, 28,56


30 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Isonami
AK Tatuno Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
227 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Kuching, 28,56, firing at TF 90
TF 90 troops unloading over beach at Kuching, 28,56


45 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Isonami, Shell hits 2
AK Belgium Maru

Japanese ground losses:
170 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Mersing , at 23,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 18
Ki-21 Sally x 52
Ki-46-II Dinah x 8

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
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Day Air attack on 33rd Division, at 30,34


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 6
Blenheim IV x 16
P-40E Warhawk x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
7 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 62nd Chinese Corps, at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 7
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5
Ki-51 Sonia x 14
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
7 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Banjarmasin at 27,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
T.IVa x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
T.IVa: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
APD APD-1, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x T.IVa bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Taketoyo Maru
AK Belgium Maru, Torpedo hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Turuga Maru
AK Tokusima Maru
AK Tatuno Maru
DD Isonami

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Pamakasan at 24,66
The Java Sea is no longer safe for the Allies.


Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 30
G3M Nell x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Loa Koeloe, Shell hits 8, Bomb hits 2, on fire


Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 7000 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on Kuching , at 28,56

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
B5N Kate x 14

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B5N Kate bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Banjarmasin at 27,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
T.IVa x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
APD APD-1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x T.IVa bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Banjarmasin at 27,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Asagumo
APD APD-37
APD APD-39
APD APD-34

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 3
Wirraway x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Nagato Maru
AK Sakito Maru
AK Belgium Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x Wirraway attacking at 100 feet
4 x Wirraway attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 13


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Tatuno Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Durban Maru
AK Onoe Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 191528 troops, 2016 guns, 15 vehicles

Defending force 186453 troops, 1096 guns, 77 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
49 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 129964 troops, 1029 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 204232 troops, 2016 guns, 299 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at Kuching

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1377 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 10309 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles



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Ground combat at 30,34

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2766 troops, 108 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 76625 troops, 336 guns, 424 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 40064 troops, 363 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 45009 troops, 408 guns, 64 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kodiak

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4410 troops, 62 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 7137 troops, 47 guns, 0 vehicles

[WhoCares]

ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude
Also, why can't all three be syncronized now that you mention it? Dawn attacks at Manila and Singapore with a noon time strike at Pearl Harbor.

Too dangerous to be detected. The carriers needed the night to run into launch distance - with a time difference of 6h to 7h (Pearl GMT+10, Manila & Singapore GMT-8, but geo. Sing more like GMT-7) it was to dangerous to run into a prepared defence and a counter attack.

[mogami]

Hi, Read my post. I allow Japan to make port attacks but the Allied player is allowed to give orders except at PH. This is the same house rule I use in every game where i am Japan so it's not something invented just for this game.

[moses]

So basically you place no restrictions on JP first turn attacks?? Seems that I remember a house rule of no attacks outside of fighter cover.