Rise of the Sheep! JocMeister(A) vs. Obvert(J)
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RE: Manila liberated!!!
While you are reorganizing and waiting for recovery, would a landing in the Ishugaki Islands and/or Batan Islands be out of the question? If doable at modest risks, these landings might spook your opponent into a firmer belief that Formosa is the target rather than a move to the north (Hokkidate)? These islands could be seen as a grab for good fighter bases for a move on Formosa, drawing his attention to Formosa rather than sending troops to other places you may decide to visit. Those islands are so close to Formosa that you might not be able to go there without great risks of a kamikaze blitz, but they do sort of stand out as a precusor to a Formosa landing. Such a move, if deemed only moderately risky to you, would probably cause a fixation on Formosa. That would be very vaulable if you go elsewhere.
Feints, jabs, bobbing and weaving serve a purpose in warfare if the risks are acceptable.
While I realize a pause to refresh and build logistics is needed, do not lose your momentum.
Feints, jabs, bobbing and weaving serve a purpose in warfare if the risks are acceptable.
While I realize a pause to refresh and build logistics is needed, do not lose your momentum.
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RE: Manila liberated!!!
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
The strikes took off from Manila. There are 6 Air HQs in place. With the exception of the Avengers all planes have the same HQ (which is present at Manila). The Escorts (P38s with the same HQs as the bombers also in Manila never took off)
Regarding uncoordinated strikes, to my knowledge the aircraft squadrons need to match the Air HQ which then needs to match the base. Thus, my question is whether the relevant Air HQ (or HQs) matches the base (such as Manila being a SW Pacific base which then hosts the 5th Air Force).
Cheers,
CC
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RE: Manila liberated!!!
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
I was speaking to the sub comment, not yours. [:)]
There would be mutinies . . .
I´m assuming you are referring to the checkerboard/carpet I have been using from time to time? In my defense I have to say that that is something I have only done from time to time after mid 44 as an early warning system or in anticipation of a KB rush.
Prior to that I have actually been doing everything pretty much as Speedy has done in his game and he has been very successful. Problem for me was that Erik sent his convoys along the Thai/Chinese coast under heavy ASW air backed up by a big number of ASW TFs. So my choice was to try and operate as best as possible in the area or do nothing. Knowing what I know now though I would probably just have parked them at PH as VP wise it has been a losing affair!
Could I have done better? Absolutely. But I havn´t done THAT bad. Erik has paid A LOT of attention to the way he has routed his TFs, TF compositions, ASW TFs, and the most important thing is that he has probably sent 80% of all TFs under a air umbrella in shallow waters. The attention he has paid to this has really rewarded him.

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JocMeister
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RE: Manila liberated!!!
ORIGINAL: princep01
While you are reorganizing and waiting for recovery, would a landing in the Ishugaki Islands and/or Batan Islands be out of the question? If doable at modest risks, these landings might spook your opponent into a firmer belief that Formosa is the target rather than a move to the north (Hokkidate)? These islands could be seen as a grab for good fighter bases for a move on Formosa, drawing his attention to Formosa rather than sending troops to other places you may decide to visit. Those islands are so close to Formosa that you might not be able to go there without great risks of a kamikaze blitz, but they do sort of stand out as a precusor to a Formosa landing. Such a move, if deemed only moderately risky to you, would probably cause a fixation on Formosa. That would be very vaulable if you go elsewhere.
Feints, jabs, bobbing and weaving serve a purpose in warfare if the risks are acceptable.
While I realize a pause to refresh and build logistics is needed, do not lose your momentum.
Its already on the schedule! [:)] Problem at this stage is that I´m so close to multiple big Japanese AF and the KB/BBs I have to bring everything even for small landings. Right now I´m waiting for the CV fleet to finish upgrading the air groups and the surface fleet to fix all those accumulated SYS damage. I also have to get the troops into place to be loaded. They are currently walking towards Manila. After a couple of days or rest we should be able to load them up. [:)]
Ideally I would like to have Appari available to cover. But in light of the recent Japanese sweeps into Luzon it will be quite some time before I can stage fighters there.
So its looking like first week of March!

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RE: Manila liberated!!!
ORIGINAL: Commander Cody
Regarding uncoordinated strikes, to my knowledge the aircraft squadrons need to match the Air HQ which then needs to match the base. Thus, my question is whether the relevant Air HQ (or HQs) matches the base (such as Manila being a SW Pacific base which then hosts the 5th Air Force).
Cheers,
CC
Hi CC! [:)]
Are you sure about the base having to be the same HQ? I totally dropped the ball on that one if its the case! [X(] Manila is currently under SOPAC HQ (I´m guessing because SOPAC was the HQ with prep for Manila) while the bombers and Fighters was Fifth Air HQ.
Never heard that the base HQ could effect coordination before! Its not dirt cheap to change Manila (180 PPs) but if you are right it might be valuable to change some of the more forward bases like Aparri.

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RE: Manila liberated!!!
YES!
Result are back from the exam! I passed with a 46/51 score. [&o][&o][&o]
Now all I need is the certificates to arrive via snail mail and I have to cash up 500 euro for the actual license! I´m going to do some celebrating tonight thats for sure! Beer and/or scotch and book burning are on the schedule I think! [:D]
Result are back from the exam! I passed with a 46/51 score. [&o][&o][&o]
Now all I need is the certificates to arrive via snail mail and I have to cash up 500 euro for the actual license! I´m going to do some celebrating tonight thats for sure! Beer and/or scotch and book burning are on the schedule I think! [:D]

RE: Manila liberated!!!
Congratulations!
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Speedysteve
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RE: Manila liberated!!!
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
I was speaking to the sub comment, not yours. [:)]
There would be mutinies . . .
I´m assuming you are referring to the checkerboard/carpet I have been using from time to time? In my defense I have to say that that is something I have only done from time to time after mid 44 as an early warning system or in anticipation of a KB rush.
Prior to that I have actually been doing everything pretty much as Speedy has done in his game and he has been very successful. Problem for me was that Erik sent his convoys along the Thai/Chinese coast under heavy ASW air backed up by a big number of ASW TFs. So my choice was to try and operate as best as possible in the area or do nothing. Knowing what I know now though I would probably just have parked them at PH as VP wise it has been a losing affair!
Could I have done better? Absolutely. But I havn´t done THAT bad. Erik has paid A LOT of attention to the way he has routed his TFs, TF compositions, ASW TFs, and the most important thing is that he has probably sent 80% of all TFs under a air umbrella in shallow waters. The attention he has paid to this has really rewarded him.
Yup. As I always say there's a lot of stuff the Allies can do to maximise their sub performance BUT it is always tempered by how much effort he Japanese put into the their convoys routing and ASW work. If they do all of this well the Allies will struggle to get brilliant results with their subs. Period.
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RE: Manila liberated!!!
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
YES!
Result are back from the exam! I passed with a 46/51 score. [&o][&o][&o]
Now all I need is the certificates to arrive via snail mail and I have to cash up 500 euro for the actual license! I´m going to do some celebrating tonight thats for sure! Beer and/or scotch and book burning are on the schedule I think! [:D]
Many congrats Jocke [8D]
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RE: Manila liberated!!!
Result are back from the exam! I passed with a 46/51 score. [&o][&o][&o]
Now all I need is the certificates to arrive via snail mail and I have to cash up 500 euro for the actual license! I´m going to do some celebrating tonight thats for sure! Beer and/or scotch and book burning are on the schedule I think! [:D]
KUDOS to you sir!!

I'm finally getting my act together to take a series of three exams to get my LPC (Licensed Professional Counselor). Just having a Master's Degree is not enough in my profession. [8|] I need more initials after my name. [:D]
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RE: Manila liberated!!!
Thanks guys. So relieved. [:)] Almost two years to get it done. The fee alone was 5000 Euro. Then you have to add the cost of working only 80% for 2 years. Thats what? Another 20k? So about 25.000 euro in total. Thats A LOT of money! [X(] Heck, thats the car we are looking at buying!
Good luck with your exams Micheal. It was actually quite fun being back at the schoolbench...at times! [:D]
Good luck with your exams Micheal. It was actually quite fun being back at the schoolbench...at times! [:D]

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RE: Manila liberated!!!
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
YES!
Result are back from the exam! I passed with a 46/51 score. [&o][&o][&o]
Now all I need is the certificates to arrive via snail mail and I have to cash up 500 euro for the actual license! I´m going to do some celebrating tonight thats for sure! Beer and/or scotch and book burning are on the schedule I think! [:D]
Congrats. A future of mucho dinero awaits you. Make sure as soon as possible you become a "manger" and let others turn the screwdrivers. Over here they call those folks "job creators" and the title comes with blanket permission to gripe about taxes, paperwork, the gummit, and deadbeat customers.
But before you do that, I have a question about a GFI plug in my kitchen . . . [:'(]
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RE: Manila liberated!!!
[font="Verdana"]24th February -45[/font]
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I feel almost bad posting AAR post like this... [>:]
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Luzon
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Aparri fell instantly. 10 Bucks says massive sweeps from Formosa will sweep tomorrow. They will hit empty skies.
Looks like Erik lifted out that NavGuard unit. Can´t understand why he bothers as they are pretty much useless at this point.
I´m waiting for another ID to reach Iba before the first attack begins. While we have a 4:1 raw AV advantage prior bombardments indicate forts are high and terrain is x3. Don´t want to wreck any troops if I don´t have to.
Here is a look at Luzon and CRB. All in all its about 200.000 Japanese troops cut off and about to be annihilated. Sadly Erik have been able to lift out fragments of most IDs (if not all). These still have to be rebuilt and thats going to cost him quite a lot. And take time. With fragments still left on Luzon and CRB he can´t split the fragment into 3 parts so filling them out will take a long time. And he will be stuck with a less than potent ID lacking all heavy equipment. I´m going to try real hard not to destroy those fragments. Just out of spite! [:D]

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I feel almost bad posting AAR post like this... [>:]
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Luzon
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Aparri fell instantly. 10 Bucks says massive sweeps from Formosa will sweep tomorrow. They will hit empty skies.
Ground combat at Aparri (82,73)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 3805 troops, 18 guns, 559 vehicles, Assault Value = 300
Defending force 3653 troops, 43 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 24
Allied adjusted assault: 236
Japanese adjusted defense: 22
Allied assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 5)
Allied forces CAPTURE Aparri !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)
Japanese ground losses:
1430 casualties reported
Squads: 31 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 266 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 51 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 16 (16 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 8
Units destroyed 1
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:
775th Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
713th Flame Tank Battalion
Defending units:
90th Nav Gd /1
40th JAAF AF Bn
9th Fleet
52nd Construction Battalion
34th JAAF AF Bn
Maizuru 1st SNLF
63rd JNAF AF Unit
7th RF Gun Battalion
10th JAAF Base Force /1
Looks like Erik lifted out that NavGuard unit. Can´t understand why he bothers as they are pretty much useless at this point.
I´m waiting for another ID to reach Iba before the first attack begins. While we have a 4:1 raw AV advantage prior bombardments indicate forts are high and terrain is x3. Don´t want to wreck any troops if I don´t have to.
Here is a look at Luzon and CRB. All in all its about 200.000 Japanese troops cut off and about to be annihilated. Sadly Erik have been able to lift out fragments of most IDs (if not all). These still have to be rebuilt and thats going to cost him quite a lot. And take time. With fragments still left on Luzon and CRB he can´t split the fragment into 3 parts so filling them out will take a long time. And he will be stuck with a less than potent ID lacking all heavy equipment. I´m going to try real hard not to destroy those fragments. Just out of spite! [:D]

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RE: Manila liberated!!!
Congrats Joc. How much do you charge?
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RE: Manila liberated!!!
ORIGINAL: DOCUP
Congrats Joc. How much do you charge?
Thanks! [:)]
With taxes about 150 Euro in "startup fee" to cover the travel and service car including 1 hour of work. After that its 60 Euro per hour. I also get a nice percentage on all material I sell. [8D]

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RE: Manila liberated!!!
Congrats on the exam result Jocke.
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RE: Manila liberated!!!
ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3
Congrats on the exam result Jocke.
Roger
Thank you Roger! [:)]

RE: Manila liberated!!!
Lifting them out prevents loss of VPs, I guess. Also if he doesn't want to spend PPs to rebuild, he doesn't have to. Just the ARM/VEH/supplies.
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RE: Manila liberated!!!
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Lifting them out prevents loss of VPs, I guess. Also if he doesn't want to spend PPs to rebuild, he doesn't have to. Just the ARM/VEH/supplies.
Ah, that might be it (VPs). If he rebuilds NavGuards at this stage though I would be very happy. Could he be?

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RE: Manila liberated!!!
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