Rise of the Sheep! JocMeister(A) vs. Obvert(J)

[princep01]

"I want to add something about supply here also. Its just too easy to keep my units in supply. I bitched and moaned about how easy it was for Erik to keep massive armies in Burma in supply without Rangoon and his 350.000 unit stack that took China. Its not less silly when I can do it. I don´t even have to pump much supply in. I have 200k at Hanoi and thats it. It keeps flowing just fine 13 hexes east over yellow roads. This should be A LOT harder then what it is. I don´t know how much fuel two Motorized divisions and 800 heavy Tanks would use racing at full speed east. But I think keeping them in supply over bad roads 520 miles away from the nearest big supply dump would be VERY difficult. But I guess it goes both ways so no real harm done. Its just one of those things.."
 
Jock, this complaint is true, but it is a very common characteristic of wargames generally.  Very few games I have played over the years have come close to capturing the logistics of warfare with any degree of accuracy.  One can see why.  In a game, we want to play the part of Patton or Zhukov, not some obscure, but essential, logistics commander trying mightily to keep those "fighting" generals in supply....a commodity no army in history goes far without.
 
Yes, it is too easy to keep vast armies in supply in the ground portion of WitPAE, but the naval and air training aspects of it are fairly good.  So, half a loaf is better than none at all.  Besides, WitPAE is a BIG game anyway.  Why go and complicate it further.  Few make it as far as you and obvert have.  I don't know that you would have made it here if there existed a huge land logistic module to worry with in addition to everything else you must watch in the game.  I rejoice in getting to read about a great end game between two good opponents.
 
Keep it up.  Good show.
 
Oh, I don't normally say anything about these, but, you are guilty of a very funny Greyjoyism on this or the previous page.  In it you said something like " I want my forces to meat at Wuchow".  The correct word is meet.  You may be aware that meat generally means "animal flesh"....the kind most of us eat.  It can have other contextual meanings  (ie That idea then is the meat of the issue) and slang uses (Come on Meat, throw the ball and I will hit it out of the ballpark.  Here Meat is a slang expression for a pitcher that a batter believes he can hit a homerun off of.  Perhaps a poor example as baseball is not likely Sweden's national pasttime:)).
 
Anyway.  A small misuse of the word....and now you are to be found in the world renown Greyjoy collection, Admiral's Edition. 

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: princep01

Jock, this complaint is true, but it is a very common characteristic of wargames generally.  Very few games I have played over the years have come close to capturing the logistics of warfare with any degree of accuracy.  One can see why.  In a game, we want to play the part of Patton or Zhukov, not some obscure, but essential, logistics commander trying mightily to keep those "fighting" generals in supply....a commodity no army in history goes far without.

Yeah, sadly I noticed the same thing with WITE. Very, very simplistic supply model in there too. But you are right. I guess very few people would want to play a game with "true logistics". I would probably quit after a couple of minutes and a few hairs less! [:D]

ORIGINAL: princep01
Oh, I don't normally say anything about these, but, you are guilty of a very funny Greyjoyism on this or the previous page.  In it you said something like " I want my forces to meat at Wuchow".  The correct word is meet.  You may be aware that meat generally means "animal flesh"....the kind most of us eat.  It can have other contextual meanings  (ie That idea then is the meat of the issue) and slang uses (Come on Meat, throw the ball and I will hit it out of the ballpark.  Here Meat is a slang expression for a pitcher that a batter believes he can hit a homerun off of.  Perhaps a poor example as baseball is not likely Sweden's national pasttime:)).

Anyway.  A small misuse of the word....and now you are to be found in the world renown Greyjoy collection, Admiral's Edition. 

Haha, Whoops! I hope I didn´t catch Greyjoyism. Its not contagious? Right? Right? [:D]

EDIT: Quit not Quite. OMG. It is contagious! [X(]

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[Crackaces]

It looks like you have a good plan toward victory. At least from the VP standpoint ..[8D] Given my experiences, it looks like by your map that China will totally collapse soon.
It also looks like you will have multiple bases to strat bomb the Home Islands ... Once the IJ economy completely collapses, it does not matter how many planes are in the pool ... the minimal supply requirements can prevent replacements ..

I am assuming that the expectation of the game is that Tokyo must be taken by XXX date for victory?

[catwhoorg]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

I find it absolutely amazing that "non combat" losses are almost as high as the combat losses. [X(] I mean how much casualties can you have outside combat. I can certainly illness and accidents taking a toll. But almost 15.000 men lost in a single ID is crazy! [X(]

Extreme example I know but Spanish flu killed more people than the Entirety of WWI.
These may generally be fit young men, but they are being put into pretty extreme environments for infections.

[paullus99]

German & Russian infantry divisions were rarely rotated out of combat until they were completely destroyed....many of the Panzer Divisions that escaped the debacle after Normandy were down to less than 2000 men & 20 tanks....the infantry divisions weren't much better, if not worse.

[Barb]

Well even for the divisions that were pulled out of combat from some to time (usually because they were down to battalion strength) and refitted completely - like Panzer Divisions, GrossDeutchland, or several SS Panzer Divisions (LSSAH, Das Reich, Totenkopf), these were wiped out several times on several fronts ... So I believe a total casualties for these divisions could be well into 1000% of their ToE strength [X(]

For example a US 442nd Infantry Regiment (Nisei) suffered a casualty rate of 314% of their established strength of about 3800 in just 11 months ... [X(]

[JocMeister]

Crap, Looks like I will have to do a complete windows reinstall. Not really sure what happened but it looks like a disc failed during a windows update last night. [:(]

[DOCUP]

Ouch I hate that

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: paullus99

US Infantry Divisions, over the course of the European Campaign, took upwards of 300% losses before the end of the war....some, like the 106th, for instance, were at the higher end of that scale (particularly after being blown apart by the initial German onslaught during BoB).

No US Div suffered 300%

1st Div 205.9% 292 days of combat
2nd Div 183.7% 303 days of combat
3rd Div 201.6% 233 days
4th Div 252.3%
9th Div 240.4%
29thDiv 204.2%
106th Div 75.7% 63 days of combat

Does not include losses in NW Africa
1, 3 & 9th served in Italy and NW Europe.

edit. These numbers may not include Italy as well as NW Africa, a bit more digging to be done.

[CaptBeefheart]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Finally Friday night! [:)]

Here is tonight's listening. They guys in Nightwish finally found a worthy successor to Tarja. Won´t miss Anette for a second despite her origin (she is Swedish). This girl fits like the hand in the glove! [&o]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3brcfttchzA

Tonight drinking is dedicated to Commander Cody! Finally got my case. [:)] I don´t know the English words to properly describe the taste. But its VERY good and I will definitively buy another case! [:)]

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/193/86256

Thanks for the tip!

Very nice! Glad you like the beer. Are those moose antlers on that bear?

The CEO and head of marketing of Ballast Point Brewery of San Diego were here last week. It was good to talk beer with them for over two hours. Are you able to get their Sculpin IPA on draft? Expensive, but good. If you are limited to bottles, I'd recommend their Big Eye IPA, which seems to survive better in a bottle.

Cheers,
CC

[JocMeister]

Gah, Looks like another disc failure. [:(]

Luckily all my game files are on another disc but I will have to reinstall Windows with all the "fun" related to that. Blaaaah! [:@]

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Gah, Looks like another disc failure. [:(]

Luckily all my game files are on another disc but I will have to reinstall Windows with all the "fun" related to that. Blaaaah! [:@]

I do not know the make and model of the hard drives, but one thing to keep a check on is S.M.A.R.T. My experience has been that hard drives start posting S.M.A.R.T. errors before failing.
Sort of like how we get severe chest pains before the big event.. I have Seagate drives so I monitor my hard drives with Sea Tools for Windows. I have caught an impending drive failure before the drive actually failed.

[Crackaces]

The other alternative is to use a drive failure as an excuse to buy a new computer .. windows would already be installed [8D]

[witpqs]

Joc,

Try Spin-Rite:

grc.com

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Gah, Looks like another disc failure. [:(]

Luckily all my game files are on another disc but I will have to reinstall Windows with all the "fun" related to that. Blaaaah! [:@]

I do not know the make and model of the hard drives, but one thing to keep a check on is S.M.A.R.T. My experience has been that hard drives start posting S.M.A.R.T. errors before failing.
Sort of like how we get severe chest pains before the big event.. I have Seagate drives so I monitor my hard drives with Sea Tools for Windows. I have caught an impending drive failure before the drive actually failed.

Seagate drives are good but when i was buying my last PC last year i do lot of research and best notes go to Wester Digital HDDs. They are quiet, cold and energy saving. Seagate HDD are much noisier and hot.

If You want speed go to dark line, if You want quiet and cold buy green line(still fast).
For daily use i will suggest compromise with Red line

I am currently using different combination. For Windows and programs i use in daily basis i have Kingston V300 120GB SSD drive. Windows is launching in 6 seconds with that drive, incredible difference compared to HDD. As big storage, to keep all my data i am not using often, i have 2x WD Green 1TB HDD.

I am using WD HDDs from over 10 years and none of them die so far. But i have one Samsung and Seagate deaths

S.M.A.R.T. is must have option. It not only informs You that HDD or SDD have problems it will also to to fix errors on drive. When S.M.A.R.T. will find damaged sector on drive surface he will replace that part of HDD or SDD with reserve sectors and will never use those damaged again. It will not only give HDD longer life but also will protect data on HDD from corruption.

[JocMeister]

At first I thought it was the last remaining Seagate (I had 3 out of 4 die within 2 years) disc that had burned. But it turned out to be my WD Raptor (10.000 RPM) that had died. I´m just glad it wasn´t any of the 2TB discs that crashed...

Going for another WD 2TB green. Already have 2 of those and I´m very happy with how quiet they are. Was going to by the "black" one but as Koniu says even the green version are pretty damned fast too! [:)] I have the same setup as koniu with a SSD drive for Windows. If you havn´t tried it you won´t believe how fast they are. Its worth the extra money. Besides I only have time for AE nowadays anyway and what I have now is pretty overkill for that! [:D]

I was actually thinking about buying a new computer but the Audi failed its inspection and need to see a mechanic. I love Audi but they cost a fortune to fix. Replacing two spindlejoints and 2 breakhoses sets you back 800 Euro. Come on... [8|] Usually I would do it myself but we need the car during Christmas and I won´t have time to fix it myself before that.

I ordered the new disc today and with some luck it will get here tomorrow. No turns until then. I´m up and running on Windows but need the new drive to get everything up and running. Don´t want to install everything on a temporarily disc just for a turn or two and then have to do it again when the new disc arrives.

I read the CR on dropbox and it looks like the strat bombing was a complete failure. Lost a lot of B29Bs to 15 NFs. Probably 10-15 B29s downed. So all in all I lost perhaps 20 B29s for 10-15 HI hits and 5 LI hits. Won´t know the exact numbers before I can see the turn though. Besides that not much happened.

We did well in the Chinese mountains and as predicted Eriks 3 IDs are about to be destroyed.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: koniu

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Gah, Looks like another disc failure. [:(]

Luckily all my game files are on another disc but I will have to reinstall Windows with all the "fun" related to that. Blaaaah! [:@]

I do not know the make and model of the hard drives, but one thing to keep a check on is S.M.A.R.T. My experience has been that hard drives start posting S.M.A.R.T. errors before failing.
Sort of like how we get severe chest pains before the big event.. I have Seagate drives so I monitor my hard drives with Sea Tools for Windows. I have caught an impending drive failure before the drive actually failed.

Seagate drives are good but when i was buying my last PC last year i do lot of research and best notes go to Wester Digital HDDs. They are quiet, cold and energy saving. Seagate HDD are much noisier and hot.

If You want speed go to dark line, if You want quiet and cold buy green line(still fast).
For daily use i will suggest compromise with Red line

I am currently using different combination. For Windows and programs i use in daily basis i have Kingston V300 120GB SSD drive. Windows is launching in 6 seconds with that drive, incredible difference compared to HDD. As big storage, to keep all my data i am not using often, i have 2x WD Green 1TB HDD.

I am using WD HDDs from over 10 years and none of them die so far. But i have one Samsung and Seagate deaths

S.M.A.R.T. is must have option. It not only informs You that HDD or SDD have problems it will also to to fix errors on drive. When S.M.A.R.T. will find damaged sector on drive surface he will replace that part of HDD or SDD with reserve sectors and will never use those damaged again. It will not only give HDD longer life but also will protect data on HDD from corruption.

How long is your experience with the SSD? I'm wondering how well they hold up in the long term.

[JocMeister]

I´ve had mine for over a year now. Probably 18 months. No problems so far. First time I booted I was just gobsmacked. At least here in Sweden they arn´t that expensive now. You can get 120 GB one for 70-80 Euro. Well worth it IMO. [:)]

[FeurerKrieg]

2-3 years on my SSD. I believe (I'm not an expert though) that SSD 'sectors' do wear out, but the nice thing is that if they do, that bit of info is written to a new sector. In effect, SSD's tend not to totally 'die' it is just that the storage capacity diminishes over time as more and more sectors go dark. Now, how seamless that ends up being is function of the controller software written into the SSD, which can vary from brand to brand. Some are better than others I have been told.

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: koniu

ORIGINAL: Crackaces



I do not know the make and model of the hard drives, but one thing to keep a check on is S.M.A.R.T. My experience has been that hard drives start posting S.M.A.R.T. errors before failing.
Sort of like how we get severe chest pains before the big event.. I have Seagate drives so I monitor my hard drives with Sea Tools for Windows. I have caught an impending drive failure before the drive actually failed.

Seagate drives are good but when i was buying my last PC last year i do lot of research and best notes go to Wester Digital HDDs. They are quiet, cold and energy saving. Seagate HDD are much noisier and hot.

If You want speed go to dark line, if You want quiet and cold buy green line(still fast).
For daily use i will suggest compromise with Red line

I am currently using different combination. For Windows and programs i use in daily basis i have Kingston V300 120GB SSD drive. Windows is launching in 6 seconds with that drive, incredible difference compared to HDD. As big storage, to keep all my data i am not using often, i have 2x WD Green 1TB HDD.

I am using WD HDDs from over 10 years and none of them die so far. But i have one Samsung and Seagate deaths

S.M.A.R.T. is must have option. It not only informs You that HDD or SDD have problems it will also to to fix errors on drive. When S.M.A.R.T. will find damaged sector on drive surface he will replace that part of HDD or SDD with reserve sectors and will never use those damaged again. It will not only give HDD longer life but also will protect data on HDD from corruption.

How long is your experience with the SSD? I'm wondering how well they hold up in the long term.

I have that SSD 9 months. So far no problems with it. Kingston is giving 3 years guarantee to that model.

First generations of SSDs have problems with high numbers of defects but right now it is not different from HDD drives. I have in job 5 PC working on SSD from over 2 years, 5 days in week 8-16h daily and so far none of them die.