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RE: Battle for Korea

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[font="Verdana"]DEI[/font]
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Here is a screen. No real combat has been happening here for months. Erik just left a very small rear guard at Palembang and despite the level 9 forts it was quickly overcome.

Singers is the last bastion but I don´t think I have troop to retake it.

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RE: Battle for Korea

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[font="Verdana"]Japanese Industry (Updated)[/font]
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Here are the adjusted numbers.

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Fighters
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Ki-83r Frank: 178 (-200)
A7M2 Sam: 256
J2M5 Jack 145 (-50)
Ki-83: 22 (-40)
Ki-44 Tojo: 111
N1K2-J George: 72
Ki-100-I Tony: 67
Ki-102c Randy: 73
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 153
J7W1-Shinden: 30 (-60)

Total Fighters per month (found so far): 1030(-350)

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Things to note
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A7M2 Sam: Erik has lost a heap of this plane in the last month. Total losses are 1600. The first sighting of this plane was on 1/45 (probably started producing a lot earlier though). But that would give 1500 planes produced from 1/45. So depending on when actual production started he could be getting low.

Ki-83: Showed up in 2/45. 90 plane production would give 540 planes produced. Only 200 destroyed. Good pool of those in other words.

J7W1 Shinden: Not yet seen on map. Due to arrive 6/45. Only 30 production remaining.

Ki-83r: Going only by what Erik told me he has a good pool of those. Still over half the production capacity is gone and we have shot down 1400. That is only 3 months of production though. Little hope that these are running low.


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Priority Targets
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I will continue to strike at Eriks fighter production. Right or wrong I´m now committed to that road.

In order of priority:
Shinden
Ki-83
Frank
Sam
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RE: Battle for Korea

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Units must be in a friendly base for their devices to upgrade, and 'upgrade' must be on. No HQ influence needed. There must also be adequate supply, and I am sure that they have to pass various Grigsby checks! [:D]
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I was afraid of that! Thanks witpqs! [:)]
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RE: Battle for Korea

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[font="Verdana"]9th June -45[/font]
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Very quiet turn. Especially compared to the last weeks!

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Korea
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I expected a bombardment at Moppo during the night and true enough...
Night Naval bombardment of Moppo at 100,54

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5 Catalina: 12 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 4 damaged
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed on ground
PBM-3D Mariner: 3 damaged
PBM-3D Mariner: 1 destroyed on ground


Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga
BB Ise
BB Fuso
BB Mutsu


Allied ground losses:
762 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 47 disabled
Engineers: 60 destroyed, 37 disabled
Guns lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 40 (19 destroyed, 21 disabled)


Manpower hits 2
Fires 2792
Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 36
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1


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Night Naval bombardment of Moppo at 100,54

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
PBM-3D Mariner: 5 damaged
PBM-3D Mariner: 1 destroyed on ground
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 damaged
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 damaged
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed on ground


Japanese Ships
BB Musashi
BB Yamato


Allied ground losses:
318 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 25 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 5 (4 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (5 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Manpower hits 1
Fires 5571
Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 20
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1



I had moved everything out that could fly and only lost 2 planes on the ground. Interestingly enough the level 3 forts seemed offer so protection. Troops disruption is only in the 20s and the airfield is still open with only 23 damage. Good news! [:)]

The day cost Erik a little bit too as DD Take is sunk for unknown reasons. Probably a collision.


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 16,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Take, and is sunk
DD Nara


Allied Ships
PT-316
PT-317
PT-318
PT-319
PT-320
PT-321
PT-322

Another 4E strike at Saishu-To. With better weather the results are considerably better. I suspect the base will be secured tomorrow.
Morning Air attack on 11th Ind.Mixed Regiment, at 99,55 (Saishu To)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 26
Liberator GR.VI x 16
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-17E Fortress x 5
B-17F Fortress x 5
B-24D Liberator x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 11
B-24J Liberator x 116
B-25J11 Mitchell x 5
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 9


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
1583 casualties reported
Squads: 25 destroyed, 85 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 150 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 22 (8 destroyed, 14 disabled)

The Fleet will reach Naha tomorrow and replenish planes and fuel. I hope to get going again in 3-4 days. We will bring more troops to Moppo as well as BFs and Engineers to Saishu-To.


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China
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Scattered attack here. Not much of interest.

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Strat bombing
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Strikes rained in.



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RE: Battle for Korea

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This part of the game is so foreign to me, for the most part I only gape at your AAR. Your getting close to the "device". Do you plan to use it?
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Congrats on getting married.  Keep up the good work.
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I had moved everything out that could fly and only lost 2 planes on the ground. Interestingly enough the level 3 forts seemed offer so protection. Troops disruption is only in the 20s and the airfield is still open with only 23 damage. Good news!

Yes, but -- do you smell smoke? (Fires 5571)
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RE: Battle for Korea

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ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock
I had moved everything out that could fly and only lost 2 planes on the ground. Interestingly enough the level 3 forts seemed offer so protection. Troops disruption is only in the 20s and the airfield is still open with only 23 damage. Good news!

Yes, but -- do you smell smoke? (Fires 5571)

Yes, but the only burn a couple of thousand supply. Its hard to tell how much as some were drawn by the troops. But I think I lost 2-3000 supply by those fires (which are out now). Considering I have half a million supply I´m not very concerned with them. [:)]

Main worry is keeping the airfield open which seem to be working a lot better with the extra equipment and engineers landed. Fields are completely fixed and disruption is down in single digits. [:)]



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RE: Battle for Korea

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I just got the last turn back for a while. Erik is off to OZ for 9 days and opted not to bring his computer. Can´t say I blame him... [:)] I´ll update the AAR with the last turn today or tomorrow. Then I will just have to try and fill it with nonsense until Erik is back! [:D]

Have to rethink how I do the strat bombing campaign. Losses are too high at the moment as I lost another 44(!) 4Es last turn. I have to stop relying on the Sweeps to arrive first. And I can´t bomb multiple targets in the same turn. Most of my escorts attached themselves to the Saishu-To bombings and even a sweep (never seen that before) despite having a target over the HI set.

So back to the drawing board!
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RE: Battle for Korea

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[font="Verdana"]10th June -45[/font]
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Very quiet turn!

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Korea
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No action at all in or over Korea today. The bulk of the allied forces are moving towards Gunzan. The defenders at Masan are reinforced by the 2nd USMC division. I now feel confident to hold this position. I will try an bombardment here once we are snug and dug in. I want to try and burn Japanese supply in counter battery fire.

Moppo is completely open again. Not a point of damage. Troops have recovered nicely and disruption is in singel digits. Only 6 damaged planes remain at the base. The level 3 forts seem to have made a big difference. I don´t know if Erik will try any bombardment here again. I don´t think there is much point for him in doing so. At least as long as he doesn´t destroy any planes and I´m not using the airfield.

No allied planes will be stationed here until the fleet can return and guard against bombardments. The Fleet is one day from Naha.

Saishu-To is easily secured after the 4Es blast 1500 more defenders.
Ground combat at Saishu To (99,55)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10575 troops, 213 guns, 212 vehicles, Assault Value = 388

Defending force 867 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 18

Allied adjusted assault: 272

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 272 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Saishu To !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-), supply(-)

Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
719 casualties reported
Squads: 63 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 15 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 34 (34 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 2


Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

The fleet will obviously bring BFs and loads of Engineers back with the to get the base operational. Potential level 6 airfield can never be bad thing! [:)]

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China
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After a second day of attacks in the mountains Tsuyung might actually be on the verge of collapsing. I did not expect that. Good news! [:)]
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Ground combat at Tsuyung (68,46)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 42705 troops, 870 guns, 538 vehicles, Assault Value = 836

Defending force 22917 troops, 307 guns, 78 vehicles, Assault Value = 506

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Allied adjusted assault: 962

Japanese adjusted defense: 607

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0 [&o]

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1402 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 68 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 22 disabled
Guns lost 20 (3 destroyed, 17 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
787 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 49 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled

There were some other smaller attacks in China but nothing worth reporting.



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RE: Battle for Korea

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[font="Verdana"]Strategic bombing - 10th June[/font]
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This didn´t go exactly as planned...

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Night bombing
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On a whim just to try and see if numbers alone could get some hit in I sent in the entire B29 force of around 500 bombers to hit the last working Shinden factory at Tsu. Very good result!
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Night Air attack on Tsu , at 110,60

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 12
J1N1-Sa Irving x 11
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 43


Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3
B-29-25 Superfort x 54
B-29B Superfort x 16


Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 damaged
B-29B Superfort: 1 damaged


J7W1 Shinden factory hits 8

This was followed by about 20 fragments until...

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Night Air attack on Tsu , at 110,60

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 3
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 6


Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 2 damaged

J7W1 Shinden factory hits 3


That is the end of the Shinden factory! [&o]

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Day bombings
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This turned out to a complete debacle. I had two separate strikes ordered. On smaller strike to hit the LI at Kummato and a big strike to hit the Sam factories at Okayama.

At first things went as planned...except the weather which ruined all chances of a good result.
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Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 15
A6M5b Zero x 27
A7M2 Sam x 7
J2M3 Jack x 22
N1K1 Rex x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20
Ki-100-I Tony x 53
Ki-102b Randy x 14


Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

But after that things turn sour! The privateers decide to go in all alone. Their escort of P38s flying from the same base decided to tag along the bombers to Saishu-To (flying from a completely different base) despite having Okayama as a specific target... [8|]

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Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 10
A6M5b Zero x 19
A7M2 Sam x 6
J2M3 Jack x 14
N1K1 Rex x 3
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 17
Ki-100-I Tony x 44
Ki-102b Randy x 8


Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 4 destroyed, 12 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed by flak


Without their escort and only one of the 6 sweep arriving before the bombers they suffer a heavy price and 25 Privateers are shot down. They do manage to score some hit despite everything so the attack wasn´t completely in vain!

A7M2 Sam factory hits 2
A7M2 Sam factory hits 2
A7M2 Sam factory hits 1


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The raid for Kumamato is a complete disaster. The bombers arrive before the sweeps and the P38 escort actually attaches itself to the sweeps?! WTH?

We exchange 13 LI point for no less then 23 Liberators shot down. Yuck. [:(]

Here is a list of today's work.

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Fighters
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Ki-83r Frank: 178
A7M2 Sam: 239 (-17)
J2M5 Jack 145
Ki-83: 22
Ki-44 Tojo: 111
N1K2-J George: 72
Ki-100-I Tony: 67
Ki-102c Randy: 73
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 153
J7W1-Shinden: 3 (-27)

Total Fighters per month: 986(-44)



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RE: Battle for Korea

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What are the strategic VPs up to now?
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Almost 14k. Oddly enough the first 10k was from the Marianas bombing campaign. The big manpower targets (Tokyo/Osaka) burned like crazy back then. But once some of the Manpower got burned down returns started to diminish quickly.

The last bombing of Osaka which reached almost twice the number of fires I managed before only burned down about 150 LI and HI. When I started from the Marianas I could burn down down 200-300 per night with half the fires. Damage is most certainly tied into the number of Manpower at the base. Osaka/Tokyo is really the only the two targets where its worth hitting Manpower at all. And once enough Manpower is knocked out it will be more effective to hit the HI/LI directly.
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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Almost 14k. Oddly enough the first 10k was from the Marianas bombing campaign. The big manpower targets (Tokyo/Osaka) burned like crazy back then. But once some of the Manpower got burned down returns started to diminish quickly.

The last bombing of Osaka which reached almost twice the number of fires I managed before only burned down about 150 LI and HI. When I started from the Marianas I could burn down down 200-300 per night with half the fires. Damage is most certainly tied into the number of Manpower at the base. Osaka/Tokyo is really the only the two targets where its worth hitting Manpower at all. And once enough Manpower is knocked out it will be more effective to hit the HI/LI directly.

I think it's also tied to the size of the base. 10,000 fires is going to do more damage at Palembang, for example, with its 2000 "Industry Points" than at Singapore with its several hundred. At least that's my experience. The bigger the factory, the more likely it is to get damaged by fires.
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Could be a combination of both or one of the two If you hit a place like Takao (8 MAN, 41 LI) you won´t burn down a single point of LI despite getting a good amount of fires going. But hit the LI directly and it will be gone in a night. I don´t know if that is related to the low number of LI or the low number of MAN.

Since Erik is gone for a week or so I´ll do a sandbox next week and see what I come up with. Should be fairly easy to test. [:)]
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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Could be a combination of both or one of the two If you hit a place like Takao (8 MAN, 41 LI) you won´t burn down a single point of LI despite getting a good amount of fires going. But hit the LI directly and it will be gone in a night. I don´t know if that is related to the low number of LI or the low number of MAN.

Since Erik is gone for a week or so I´ll do a sandbox next week and see what I come up with. Should be fairly easy to test. [:)]

Yeah, who knows. There's clearly some kind of relation, whether it's size of manpower, size of industry, or both. It could be a proportional or inverse relationship, too. Who knows?!
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[font="Verdana"]Japanese Fighter pool - Updated[/font]
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A7M2 Sam: Erik has lost a heap of this plane in the last month. Total losses are 1600. The first sighting of this plane was on 1/45 (probably started producing a lot earlier though). But that would give 1500 planes produced from 1/45. So depending on when actual production started he could be getting low.

Ki-83: Showed up in 2/45. 90 plane production would give 540 planes produced. Only 200 destroyed. Good pool of those in other words.

J7W1 Shinden: Not yet seen on map. Due to arrive 6/45. Only 4 production remaining.

Ki-83r: First sighting of the Frank "R" was in 11/44. With a 378 per month production starting 10/44 means about 3500 produced. With only 1100 of these shot down Erik still has a very healthy pool of theses.

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I was supposed to do some testing with strat bombing today but ended up playing CIV5 instead! Ooops! [:D]
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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

I was supposed to do some testing with strat bombing today but ended up playing CIV5 instead! Ooops! [:D]

How is Civ5?
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