Hi,
I think it's some kind of non-issue. Some USAAF airgroups that arrive early in the game and are attached to SEAC arrive at SF, but the ones that arrive later make their arrival at Karachi. Historically even the one that arrive at SF took the Cape-route, but it seems that the developers deliberately decided to have them arrive at SF to give players' some operational freedom in what to do with them. And that seems fair even if it may be historically correct (one may even count this as some kind of advantage given to Allied players). And the Cape-route from South Africa was not always safe, at least the threat of Japanese raiders and subs (and not to forget German raiders and subs) existed in real life. While the map-edge is some kind of problem, it seems not to be unfair that it is in the game considering that the Allied player receives unlimited supplies at Karachi and Bombay without risking ships to transport them.
In short: I think that there is no houserule necessary. Simply accept the threat to your shipping between Australia and India as it is. Use carriers to protect this sealane if you deem it necessary and use the "teleport" feature to transport LCU's between SF and Karachi as it seems that this possibility is in the game to do just this (and 60 days seem quite realistic). Just my two (€) cent!
K
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RE: Part II - A lunatic is back
Ok, I'm quite convinced.
Thanks for your opinion.
I haven't had the time to write about the last two turns, but I made one discovery.
Canadian units converted to Southeast Asia (in SF), reappear 59 days later in Edmonton (Canada), hence teleporting works only for US units.
Well at leat the PPs are not lost, just postponed by two months.
As to the route between Australia and India I'll send one ship at a time. To reduce potential losses and detection.
Anyway I only need to carry a few things:
- Para Marine Bn (already on its way on two different ships and TFs)
- 1 squadron of Wildcats (because I've got pleanty of them and they convert into Corsair's)
- 1 squadron of (72) P-40, to get to 200+
- a few more Dakota's
The rest will go with teleporting.
Later tonight the next post.
Cheers
Thanks for your opinion.
I haven't had the time to write about the last two turns, but I made one discovery.
Canadian units converted to Southeast Asia (in SF), reappear 59 days later in Edmonton (Canada), hence teleporting works only for US units.
Well at leat the PPs are not lost, just postponed by two months.
As to the route between Australia and India I'll send one ship at a time. To reduce potential losses and detection.
Anyway I only need to carry a few things:
- Para Marine Bn (already on its way on two different ships and TFs)
- 1 squadron of Wildcats (because I've got pleanty of them and they convert into Corsair's)
- 1 squadron of (72) P-40, to get to 200+
- a few more Dakota's
The rest will go with teleporting.
Later tonight the next post.
Cheers
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Summer '42
August 10th, 1942
INDIA-BURMA
No big news. I’m gathering the heavies in Ledo, from where I’m flying recon missions over China.
I want to pick an airfield for a big air strike.
I’ll wait for the newly arrived B-24D’s to repair. So far (48) have arrived via Pontianak and Cebu. Unfortunately I did not issue the orders for one turn (I sent the wrong file to GH [:(]) and I left one squadron of (16) B-24D for two turns in Pontianak, as a result (air and naval bombing) they are all damaged and I cannot move them out and reassemble them in DH. At worst it’ll be (16) planes lost.
I’m planning to move some (80) more. At 16-21 per turn.
The Japs bombings kill 2-3 every turn, but it’s worth the price of moving them around.
I’ve unloaded the 23rd Chindit Bde in Ceylon (you got me worried [;)]) and I moved out (to DH) the 18th UK Division. Now Ceylon has some 600- Assault Points, it should be enough. What do you think?
Ramree build up continues and I’m now unloading supplies on the beach (no port yet). One base force units will start unloading next turn.
AUSTRALIA
I’m still undecided on the CV’s use. I have (3) in Sidney with (4) BB’s and lots of cruisers and destroyers. [&:]
PACIFIC
The Fast TF has not been detected yet, it should unload the first group in Toganrapu tomorrow night. It’ll be a long and dangerous operation. If he catches me in the middle I risk loosing all the units already in Toganrapu. But if I succeed I stand some very real chances of retaking Fiji by late ’42 / early ’43.
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The valiant B-24D’s getting to India
INDIA-BURMA
No big news. I’m gathering the heavies in Ledo, from where I’m flying recon missions over China.
I want to pick an airfield for a big air strike.
I’ll wait for the newly arrived B-24D’s to repair. So far (48) have arrived via Pontianak and Cebu. Unfortunately I did not issue the orders for one turn (I sent the wrong file to GH [:(]) and I left one squadron of (16) B-24D for two turns in Pontianak, as a result (air and naval bombing) they are all damaged and I cannot move them out and reassemble them in DH. At worst it’ll be (16) planes lost.
I’m planning to move some (80) more. At 16-21 per turn.
The Japs bombings kill 2-3 every turn, but it’s worth the price of moving them around.
I’ve unloaded the 23rd Chindit Bde in Ceylon (you got me worried [;)]) and I moved out (to DH) the 18th UK Division. Now Ceylon has some 600- Assault Points, it should be enough. What do you think?
Ramree build up continues and I’m now unloading supplies on the beach (no port yet). One base force units will start unloading next turn.
AUSTRALIA
I’m still undecided on the CV’s use. I have (3) in Sidney with (4) BB’s and lots of cruisers and destroyers. [&:]
PACIFIC
The Fast TF has not been detected yet, it should unload the first group in Toganrapu tomorrow night. It’ll be a long and dangerous operation. If he catches me in the middle I risk loosing all the units already in Toganrapu. But if I succeed I stand some very real chances of retaking Fiji by late ’42 / early ’43.
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RE: Summer '42
I am torn on the Java issue I can see both arguments.
Personally I hate to admit it but I think interdiction should be allowed.
If the IJN want to commit forces to that route let them.
The key for the allies is to use many small convoys evenly spaced to keep detection values down and limit losses if he gets into your convoys.
i.e. 1 escort and 3 merchant ships every few days.
have multiple convoys carry LCU's etc etc if you dont use superconvoys and hug the map edge he would need to have carriers out there to hit you
Personally I hate to admit it but I think interdiction should be allowed.
If the IJN want to commit forces to that route let them.
The key for the allies is to use many small convoys evenly spaced to keep detection values down and limit losses if he gets into your convoys.
i.e. 1 escort and 3 merchant ships every few days.
have multiple convoys carry LCU's etc etc if you dont use superconvoys and hug the map edge he would need to have carriers out there to hit you
RE: Summer '42
Hey Andy,
Thanks for your feedback.
I guess I was wrong [:'(]. I'll manage to get whatever I need through the dangerous waters [;)]. Single ship convoys every other week.
Troops can be teleported. I only need a couple more of fighter squadrons and I'm done. Hence no major deal.
Thanks for your feedback.
I guess I was wrong [:'(]. I'll manage to get whatever I need through the dangerous waters [;)]. Single ship convoys every other week.
Troops can be teleported. I only need a couple more of fighter squadrons and I'm done. Hence no major deal.
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RE: Summer '42
I would also send a second wildcat sqn as you have plenty of replacements for it whereas P40's are one shot deals with there low replacements and 48 Wildcats upgrading to corsairs could allow you to send one of them to China to upset his bombers imagine 24 Corsairs getting in amongst Oscars or nates <evil grin>
RE: Summer '42
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
I am torn on the Java issue I can see both arguments.
Personally I hate to admit it but I think interdiction should be allowed.
If the IJN want to commit forces to that route let them.
The key for the allies is to use many small convoys evenly spaced to keep detection values down and limit losses if he gets into your convoys.
i.e. 1 escort and 3 merchant ships every few days.
have multiple convoys carry LCU's etc etc if you dont use superconvoys and hug the map edge he would need to have carriers out there to hit you
The key to success for the Japanese player is to put a picket line of subs perpendicular from the Left Map Edge and base his CVLs and CVEs in the DEI ports on the Indian Ocean. Then as the subs detect the slow convoys, the CVLs steam out, sink the convoys, then steam back. In the meanwhile, the KB can be out in the Pacific, keeping the US fleet carriers "honest".
And if the Japanese player is particularly agressive, he can use Ceylon to cut the interdiction distance in half. That's what PzB did to me when I was playing him. There was no way through.
The "moral of the story" for the Allied player is to stengthen India from the very beginning so that you don't have to risk panic convoys if India is attacked.
Good luck -
Dave Baranyi
RE: Summer '42
And if India is attacked and he is going for Karachi all bets are off and those static West Coast 15" forts shold be teleported to India I dont care if its gamey IMO so is going for Karachi in the 1st place.
IMO all bets are off if total conquest of India is really threatened !!!!!
IMO all bets are off if total conquest of India is really threatened !!!!!
RE: Summer '42
Agreed ADavidB that game was nasty as PZB did cutoff very well.
I have to admit that ever since PZB did that I have not ever overcommitted to Burma or java or Sumatra in any PBEM and I reinforce India from day 1 including a couple of Seabee units to help build forts ASAP he has singlehandedly made me paranoid about a backwater theatre of operation
I have to admit that ever since PZB did that I have not ever overcommitted to Burma or java or Sumatra in any PBEM and I reinforce India from day 1 including a couple of Seabee units to help build forts ASAP he has singlehandedly made me paranoid about a backwater theatre of operation
RE: Summer '42
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
Agreed ADavidB that game was nasty as PZB did cutoff very well.
I have to admit that ever since PZB did that I have not ever overcommitted to Burma or java or Sumatra in any PBEM and I reinforce India from day 1 including a couple of Seabee units to help build forts ASAP he has singlehandedly made me paranoid about a backwater theatre of operation
Losing Karachi turns a "backwater" into a real "ball breaker" - let me assure you of that! [X(]
Cheers -
Dave Baranyi
RE: Summer '42
Hi guys [:)]
We have a house rule that says that he can attack Karachi only if he has conquered the whole India first, since Karachi represents Middle East.
I'm still confident that he wouldn't be able to get through the RAF. Although Ceylon is not entirely safe.
As to the CVE/CVL threat. That's why I'm thinking of using the (3) US CV's in Sidney to ambush his light carriers, when/if they come for my convoys.
I'll wait for the first attack to evaluate his strength, meanwhile I think I'll start moving the US CV's to Perth. [;)]
Burma was important to reopen the supply road to China, since Tsuyung will soon fall there's no reason to sush in Burma (the British went in '43 with Wingate's Chindits and only in mid '44 with the a real counter attack).
I'm going for the costal Islands where my air force can - probably - keep him at a distance.
We have a house rule that says that he can attack Karachi only if he has conquered the whole India first, since Karachi represents Middle East.
I'm still confident that he wouldn't be able to get through the RAF. Although Ceylon is not entirely safe.
As to the CVE/CVL threat. That's why I'm thinking of using the (3) US CV's in Sidney to ambush his light carriers, when/if they come for my convoys.
I'll wait for the first attack to evaluate his strength, meanwhile I think I'll start moving the US CV's to Perth. [;)]
Burma was important to reopen the supply road to China, since Tsuyung will soon fall there's no reason to sush in Burma (the British went in '43 with Wingate's Chindits and only in mid '44 with the a real counter attack).
I'm going for the costal Islands where my air force can - probably - keep him at a distance.
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RE: Summer '42
August 11th, 1942
INDIA-BURMA
The bad weather has been hampering my air operations in the last few days.
Beside that no news. Building, mining and training.
AUSTRALIA
One more (16) B-24D has been destroyed in Cebu by Naval Bombardment.
I’m now going through Benkolen.
He has placed a couple of subs to scout for my convoys in the Indian Ocean.
With a couple of sub he can now control the entire Indian Ocean, I should probably call it Indian Lake! [:o]
The Germans had 300+ U-Boats in 1942 and 400+ in 1943 to find and attack US convoys in the Atlantic (with the help of code breakers too). It looks like the Japs are getting an easier life.
PACIFIC
The 3rd Sea Bees have unloaded in Tongarapu: the first step.
NAVAL ASSETS EVALUATION
I’ve taken a look at my Navy. This is what I have available.
(9) CV
(1) CVL
(1) CVE
(17) BB (two damaged in SF: 16 and 59 sys dmg)
(1) BC
(19) CA
(22) CL
(9) CLAA
ACES
Some pilots have been lost over Sining.
My two top pilots are still Overend and Langdon, back from the hospital.
Maj Overend - (17) kills - AVG/C - P-40B Tomahawk -> P-40E Warhawk
FLT Langdon – (12) kills – No.67 Squadron RAF – Spitfire Vb
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INDIA-BURMA
The bad weather has been hampering my air operations in the last few days.
Beside that no news. Building, mining and training.
AUSTRALIA
One more (16) B-24D has been destroyed in Cebu by Naval Bombardment.
I’m now going through Benkolen.
He has placed a couple of subs to scout for my convoys in the Indian Ocean.
With a couple of sub he can now control the entire Indian Ocean, I should probably call it Indian Lake! [:o]
The Germans had 300+ U-Boats in 1942 and 400+ in 1943 to find and attack US convoys in the Atlantic (with the help of code breakers too). It looks like the Japs are getting an easier life.
PACIFIC
The 3rd Sea Bees have unloaded in Tongarapu: the first step.
NAVAL ASSETS EVALUATION
I’ve taken a look at my Navy. This is what I have available.
(9) CV
(1) CVL
(1) CVE
(17) BB (two damaged in SF: 16 and 59 sys dmg)
(1) BC
(19) CA
(22) CL
(9) CLAA
ACES
Some pilots have been lost over Sining.
My two top pilots are still Overend and Langdon, back from the hospital.
Maj Overend - (17) kills - AVG/C - P-40B Tomahawk -> P-40E Warhawk
FLT Langdon – (12) kills – No.67 Squadron RAF – Spitfire Vb
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RE: Summer '42
Just thinking about the defence of China.
I really dont think all is lost yet (or at least not quickly)
With any kind of forts and the urban bonus (and the fact that destroyed units automatically respawn there after 30 days) its going to be a tough fight for Chungking if you can get any kind of supply surplus in that city and the prep for your defenders up to 100%.
I think what String said earlier I would get transports to India ASAP and use them and some of the heavies to transport supply straight into Chungking at least until he LRCAP's the city.
If you can get some engineesrs as well that would be great (send a seabee unit from the west coast it takes 60 days but would give him a nasty shock if the forts go up).
Don't be afraid to air transport a few Chinese Corps that need rebuilding to India to rebuild and re equip.
It is more effective to air transport a corps from China to India (especially one that has lost all heavy equipment) and let it sit in Calcutta for a few weeks re equiping then air tran it back than it is to ship in enough supply to re equip the Chinese army in situ.
Having artillary to fire back when he attacks is essential to clinging on and disrupting his engineers when they attack !!!
Do this a few times and use some Wildcats/ Corsairs to CAP Chungking and GH will have to pay in blood and time to take the city.
Just remember to turn replacements off for Air units in China and rotate them to India to rebuild
Im sure you have all this well in hand
Andy
I really dont think all is lost yet (or at least not quickly)
With any kind of forts and the urban bonus (and the fact that destroyed units automatically respawn there after 30 days) its going to be a tough fight for Chungking if you can get any kind of supply surplus in that city and the prep for your defenders up to 100%.
I think what String said earlier I would get transports to India ASAP and use them and some of the heavies to transport supply straight into Chungking at least until he LRCAP's the city.
If you can get some engineesrs as well that would be great (send a seabee unit from the west coast it takes 60 days but would give him a nasty shock if the forts go up).
Don't be afraid to air transport a few Chinese Corps that need rebuilding to India to rebuild and re equip.
It is more effective to air transport a corps from China to India (especially one that has lost all heavy equipment) and let it sit in Calcutta for a few weeks re equiping then air tran it back than it is to ship in enough supply to re equip the Chinese army in situ.
Having artillary to fire back when he attacks is essential to clinging on and disrupting his engineers when they attack !!!
Do this a few times and use some Wildcats/ Corsairs to CAP Chungking and GH will have to pay in blood and time to take the city.
Just remember to turn replacements off for Air units in China and rotate them to India to rebuild
Im sure you have all this well in hand
Andy
RE: Summer '42
Hey Andy, [:)]
Chungking will not be lost anytime soon. Supplies are over the minimum (light orange) and new units keep respawning there. I have almost 200k men with decent supplies and 100 prep points.
It is however an enclave with no hopes for rescue. And due to the LRCAP I cannot airlift anything in or out.
Even if I could artillery is the one thing I cannot airlift [:(]. He has all the time he needs to finish it off. True, it'll take several months, maybe long enough to be able to protect it with P-38's. But will they be enough against the hordes of fighters and bombers he'll hit me with? I'm not sure. GH is a nightmare, everything he does is calculated to the extreme, I'm an amateur in comparison.
In India I have no urgent need for Seabees since most bases are already 7-9 fort level.
F4F's would really be welcome, but I have the problem of crossing the Indian pond [;)]
It's very risky, right now there's a Para unit crossing. I'm holding my breath.
If they get through I'll try with one AK transporting the fighters.
Heavies can still get there through the unconquered bases. Not for long, but I already have enough.
Yeha, right, I have this in hand!!
Cheers [:D]
Chungking will not be lost anytime soon. Supplies are over the minimum (light orange) and new units keep respawning there. I have almost 200k men with decent supplies and 100 prep points.
It is however an enclave with no hopes for rescue. And due to the LRCAP I cannot airlift anything in or out.
Even if I could artillery is the one thing I cannot airlift [:(]. He has all the time he needs to finish it off. True, it'll take several months, maybe long enough to be able to protect it with P-38's. But will they be enough against the hordes of fighters and bombers he'll hit me with? I'm not sure. GH is a nightmare, everything he does is calculated to the extreme, I'm an amateur in comparison.
In India I have no urgent need for Seabees since most bases are already 7-9 fort level.
F4F's would really be welcome, but I have the problem of crossing the Indian pond [;)]
It's very risky, right now there's a Para unit crossing. I'm holding my breath.
If they get through I'll try with one AK transporting the fighters.
Heavies can still get there through the unconquered bases. Not for long, but I already have enough.
Yeha, right, I have this in hand!!
Cheers [:D]
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RE: Summer '42
If you have chinese units in the hinterland getting wiped out by changing them to SEAC just before wipeout they respawn at Karachi instead of Chungking which allows them to rebuild in India with supplies and then air tran them to China !!!!!!
RE: Summer '42
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
If you have chinese units in the hinterland getting wiped out by changing them to SEAC just before wipeout they respawn at Karachi instead of Chungking which allows them to rebuild in India with supplies and then air tran them to China !!!!!!
[X(][X(] This I didn't know!!!! [X(][X(]
It's an excellent idea. Thanks!!! [&o][&o][&o]
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RE: Summer '42
August 12th, 1942
INDIA-BURMA-CHINA
Andy Mac [&o] [&o] has just opened a whole new world of opportunities! [:D]
I had no idea that the Chinese units assigned to the Southeast Command did respawn in Karachi (which doesn’t make much sense, btw [:'(]).
I checked the ground units arrival roster and I actually found a Chinese section – 93rd Chinese/A Div – arriving in Karachi in 11 days. [8D]
I’ve just used all my PPs to convert the units in Tsuyung. Not all of them of course, not enough PPs, but I’ll keep at it.
In the following 3 weeks (10) respawned divisions will arrive in Chungking. Together with the ones already there, they should be able to hold for quite some time (see picture of Chungking).
VP situation is not bad, 3:1 - 24k:8k. I should be able to avoid auto victory.
Heavies in India now.
(48) LB-30
(64) B-24D
(96) B-17
I think I’ll stop sending more. I may need them in Australia and Pacific.
AUSTRALIA
The carriers are heading for Perth.
A Betty’s attack on the rearguard from Daly has been welcomed by the AA fire. (3) Betties shot down. The rearguard will remain as a picket line. They are all Australian Command units, but for the AA, one AT unit and one HQ unit.
PACIFIC
Operation ‘Snake’ continues, it’s slow paced, but could prove very important for the future of the war effort.
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Chungking
INDIA-BURMA-CHINA
Andy Mac [&o] [&o] has just opened a whole new world of opportunities! [:D]
I had no idea that the Chinese units assigned to the Southeast Command did respawn in Karachi (which doesn’t make much sense, btw [:'(]).
I checked the ground units arrival roster and I actually found a Chinese section – 93rd Chinese/A Div – arriving in Karachi in 11 days. [8D]
I’ve just used all my PPs to convert the units in Tsuyung. Not all of them of course, not enough PPs, but I’ll keep at it.
In the following 3 weeks (10) respawned divisions will arrive in Chungking. Together with the ones already there, they should be able to hold for quite some time (see picture of Chungking).
VP situation is not bad, 3:1 - 24k:8k. I should be able to avoid auto victory.
Heavies in India now.
(48) LB-30
(64) B-24D
(96) B-17
I think I’ll stop sending more. I may need them in Australia and Pacific.
AUSTRALIA
The carriers are heading for Perth.
A Betty’s attack on the rearguard from Daly has been welcomed by the AA fire. (3) Betties shot down. The rearguard will remain as a picket line. They are all Australian Command units, but for the AA, one AT unit and one HQ unit.
PACIFIC
Operation ‘Snake’ continues, it’s slow paced, but could prove very important for the future of the war effort.
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RE: Summer '42
Glad to help !!!![:D][:D][:D][:D]
RE: Summer '42
For god's sake, start fortifying that base! It's a force multiplier, and well worth the supplies expended.
For what it's worth...
For what it's worth...
RE: Summer '42
ORIGINAL: BLurking
For god's sake, start fortifying that base! It's a force multiplier, and well worth the supplies expended.
For what it's worth...
I wish I could. [:(]
Since Chungking is bombed almost every day I never get to improve the forts. I'm always repairing, never building.
Hence I prefer to leave it off in case the game engine decides to improve my units fatigue because they are 'building'. [;)]
Thanks for the suggestion anyway. You never know when you miss something. [8|]
[:D]
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