War in the Pacific as Planned--Allied
Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
Dec 28/29
December 28/29 1941
Japanese reopen road to Sinyang.
Clark Field falls.
Allied shock attack at Iba results in 1-2 outcome, but the Japanese take 7% casualties while the Allies take 3%. I can afford a few more attacks at those odds.
The Japanese reinforce Mauban and repulse a shock attack.
Allied shock attack at Sinyang gets 1-1 and reduces the Japanese fortifications a level. Allies take 3% casualties while the Japanese take 7%. I can afford a few more attacks at those odds.
Tarakan falls.
Japanese reopen road to Sinyang.
Clark Field falls.
Allied shock attack at Iba results in 1-2 outcome, but the Japanese take 7% casualties while the Allies take 3%. I can afford a few more attacks at those odds.
The Japanese reinforce Mauban and repulse a shock attack.
Allied shock attack at Sinyang gets 1-1 and reduces the Japanese fortifications a level. Allies take 3% casualties while the Japanese take 7%. I can afford a few more attacks at those odds.
Tarakan falls.
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
RE: Dec 27/28
ORIGINAL: herwin
ORIGINAL: witpqs
I think the anti-soft and anti-hard of the squads themselves is actually part of AS, they just don't count it as part of the AS number displayed in the game. Guys going into the trench line with Tommy Guns have an advantage over guys going into the trench line with solely bolt-actions.
I checked it, and AS is the effective squad count. Hard and soft firepower cause casualties, but don't play a role in the AS comparison.
That's what I've been trying to get across, the point being that pure AS comparison is inadequate. So, what goes on internally in the combat code of the game engine to account for that - it seems that what you see as the final AS comparison might be taking into account the firepower differences. Can only speculate, of course, but it is clear that the engine accounts for the squad firepower differences.
Intel Monkey: https://sites.google.com/view/staffmonkeys/home
RE: Dec 27/28
ORIGINAL: herwin
I guess the game is meant to be played that way, but it seems really gamey to automatically shock attack when you have an AS mismatch and to be building death stars in China to make up for the vulnerability of small units to attacks by larger units. The optimal deployment there is a single humongous offensive stack and a lot of little 1-AS units to hold ground.
Appropriate concentration of force, yes. Beware that supply lines are critical. Thankfully, I have not run into anybody who takes the gamey step of using tiny units to hold ground. Of course it wouldn't take a very large unit to blast truck convoys of supplies (to cut supply lines), and small units would be quite vulnerable to attack clearing them out. So, I think the context matters. The way you describe the potential use of 1-AS units would appear to be gamey in the context you imply.
Intel Monkey: https://sites.google.com/view/staffmonkeys/home
RE: Dec 27/28
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: herwin
ORIGINAL: witpqs
I think the anti-soft and anti-hard of the squads themselves is actually part of AS, they just don't count it as part of the AS number displayed in the game. Guys going into the trench line with Tommy Guns have an advantage over guys going into the trench line with solely bolt-actions.
I checked it, and AS is the effective squad count. Hard and soft firepower cause casualties, but don't play a role in the AS comparison.
That's what I've been trying to get across, the point being that pure AS comparison is inadequate. So, what goes on internally in the combat code of the game engine to account for that - it seems that what you see as the final AS comparison might be taking into account the firepower differences. Can only speculate, of course, but it is clear that the engine accounts for the squad firepower differences.
Yes--the AS comparison determines whether the battlefield changes hands, but the AS values used are after your firepower has been used to shoot up the other side. Disabled squads don't count. My points are two: the winner should be the side with the lower percentage casualties, not the side with more AS at the end, and firepower should work differently from Gulf War experience--during WWII, target acquisition was much slower than target engagement, and target density came into the dynamics in addition to firepower. That forced WWII combat teams to be right-sized--to avoid presenting too large a target profile and as a result taking excessive casualties.
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
Dec 29/30
December 29/30 1941
SS I-1 attempts an attack on a well-defended replenishment convoy. No success.
Heavy naval bombardment of Manado. Not a lot to fire at. Shock attack there at 1-2.
Japanese shock attack at Mauban--8-1 AS odds, but the Japanese take more casualties than the Allies.
SS I-1 attempts an attack on a well-defended replenishment convoy. No success.
Heavy naval bombardment of Manado. Not a lot to fire at. Shock attack there at 1-2.
Japanese shock attack at Mauban--8-1 AS odds, but the Japanese take more casualties than the Allies.
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
Dec 30/31
December 30/31 1941
Minor actions.
Minor actions.
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
Dec 31/Jan 1
December 31 1941/January 1 1942
Mostly air actions. Some minor ground combat.
I keep this strait mined to discourage the pests:
TF 52 encounters mine field at Merak (48,97)
Japanese Ships
SS I-155, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Commentary on ground attacks:
Ground combat at Iba (78,75)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 3838 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 139
Defending force 1836 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 61
Allied adjusted assault: 44
Japanese adjusted defense: 52
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
93 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
If the casualty report is accurate, the Japanese are losing this series of engagements. This is a relatively balanced engagement with the Japanese squads expressing about double the effective firepower available to the Allied squads. The Allies will eventually overwhelm the Japanese if there are no Japanese reinforcements.
Ground combat at Manado (75,99)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 2427 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 67
Defending force 1250 troops, 16 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 32
Japanese adjusted assault: 24
Allied adjusted defense: 29
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
112 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
130 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Likewise, the Allies are losing here. The Allied squads have about double the effective firepower of the Japanese squads during the firepower duel, but the Japanese numerical advantage is being expressed in the outcomes. The final AS numbers are irrelevant.
Ground combat at Mauban (80,78)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 8789 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 235
Defending force 4881 troops, 123 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 107
Japanese adjusted assault: 229
Allied adjusted defense: 13
Japanese assault odds: 17 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-), morale(-)
Japanese ground losses:
289 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
The Allies are losing here, but note the firepower phase is exhibiting aimed fire dynamics, not area fire dynamics--there's no tail-off reflecting target density. That's a key observation--it means you need to manage your LCUs like historical warships not like historical ground force units. Mahan's analysis applies, not that of Clausewitz. Applying 'fleet in being' to LCUs is different but doable.
Mostly air actions. Some minor ground combat.
I keep this strait mined to discourage the pests:
TF 52 encounters mine field at Merak (48,97)
Japanese Ships
SS I-155, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Commentary on ground attacks:
Ground combat at Iba (78,75)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 3838 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 139
Defending force 1836 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 61
Allied adjusted assault: 44
Japanese adjusted defense: 52
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
93 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
If the casualty report is accurate, the Japanese are losing this series of engagements. This is a relatively balanced engagement with the Japanese squads expressing about double the effective firepower available to the Allied squads. The Allies will eventually overwhelm the Japanese if there are no Japanese reinforcements.
Ground combat at Manado (75,99)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 2427 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 67
Defending force 1250 troops, 16 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 32
Japanese adjusted assault: 24
Allied adjusted defense: 29
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
112 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
130 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Likewise, the Allies are losing here. The Allied squads have about double the effective firepower of the Japanese squads during the firepower duel, but the Japanese numerical advantage is being expressed in the outcomes. The final AS numbers are irrelevant.
Ground combat at Mauban (80,78)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 8789 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 235
Defending force 4881 troops, 123 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 107
Japanese adjusted assault: 229
Allied adjusted defense: 13
Japanese assault odds: 17 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-), morale(-)
Japanese ground losses:
289 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
The Allies are losing here, but note the firepower phase is exhibiting aimed fire dynamics, not area fire dynamics--there's no tail-off reflecting target density. That's a key observation--it means you need to manage your LCUs like historical warships not like historical ground force units. Mahan's analysis applies, not that of Clausewitz. Applying 'fleet in being' to LCUs is different but doable.
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
Jan 1/2
January 1/2 1942
Heavy airstrikes on Singapore.
Mines nail another IJN submarine at Merak!
TF 50 encounters mine field at Merak (48,97)
Japanese Ships
SS I-153, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Shock attack unsuccessful at Hankow
Ground combat at Hankow (85,50)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 22639 troops, 117 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 599
Defending force 40093 troops, 463 guns, 143 vehicles, Assault Value = 860
Allied adjusted assault: 153
Japanese adjusted defense: 5549
Allied assault odds: 1 to 36 (fort level 4)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
334 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Allied ground losses:
4840 casualties reported
Squads: 83 destroyed, 330 disabled
Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 255 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Data point: 860 Assault Value (AV) reduces the attacking force by about 450 AV.
Ground combat at Mauban (80,78)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 8556 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 217
Defending force 4677 troops, 123 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 89
Japanese adjusted assault: 229
Allied adjusted defense: 9
Japanese assault odds: 25 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
118 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
306 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Another data point: 217 assaulting AV reduces the defending AV by 80.
Heavy airstrikes on Singapore.
Mines nail another IJN submarine at Merak!
TF 50 encounters mine field at Merak (48,97)
Japanese Ships
SS I-153, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Shock attack unsuccessful at Hankow
Ground combat at Hankow (85,50)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 22639 troops, 117 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 599
Defending force 40093 troops, 463 guns, 143 vehicles, Assault Value = 860
Allied adjusted assault: 153
Japanese adjusted defense: 5549
Allied assault odds: 1 to 36 (fort level 4)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
334 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Allied ground losses:
4840 casualties reported
Squads: 83 destroyed, 330 disabled
Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 255 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Data point: 860 Assault Value (AV) reduces the attacking force by about 450 AV.
Ground combat at Mauban (80,78)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 8556 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 217
Defending force 4677 troops, 123 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 89
Japanese adjusted assault: 229
Allied adjusted defense: 9
Japanese assault odds: 25 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
118 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
306 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Another data point: 217 assaulting AV reduces the defending AV by 80.
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
RE: Jan 1/2
Harry,
I'll offer the observation that we have no knowledge of target density. The hex is 46 statute miles across - 1,662 sq miles if I punched in pi*r**2 correctly - so the density is anything from black hole to vacuum. Defender could be compressed into a smaller area as the fight goes on. They could fall back with lots of space behind them and remain at same density. They could spread out more. They could be falling back from one (abstracted) small objective to another.
The real test of this ground combat model has to be at a greater scale. How do things look by the time the battle is over? Not the day, the whole battle.
IMO. [8D]
I'll offer the observation that we have no knowledge of target density. The hex is 46 statute miles across - 1,662 sq miles if I punched in pi*r**2 correctly - so the density is anything from black hole to vacuum. Defender could be compressed into a smaller area as the fight goes on. They could fall back with lots of space behind them and remain at same density. They could spread out more. They could be falling back from one (abstracted) small objective to another.
The real test of this ground combat model has to be at a greater scale. How do things look by the time the battle is over? Not the day, the whole battle.
IMO. [8D]
Intel Monkey: https://sites.google.com/view/staffmonkeys/home
Jan 2/3
January 2/3 1942
Don't park merchies in ports within range of B-17s...
Kuala Lumpur is an open city.
Reminds me of a comment I used to see about any ship being a minesweeper--once:
Sub attack near Bandjermasin at 59,101
Japanese Ships
SS I-156, hits 14, and is sunk
Allied Ships
CL Mauritius, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DD Encounter
BC Repulse
CL Glasgow
British cruisers of the period had a design error in the layout of their machinery rooms. A single torpedo or mine hit on an engine room often caused them to capsize quickly. It seems to have happened here.
Oopsie, walked into that. However, that sort of casualty fraction is a bit over the top:
Ground combat at 78,60 (near Hong Kong)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 1868 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 60
Defending force 20876 troops, 155 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 654
Allied adjusted assault: 0
Japanese adjusted defense: 1284
Allied assault odds: 1 to 99
Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Allied ground losses:
1701 casualties reported
Squads: 88 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 40 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 1 disabled
Quantity in this game has a quality all of its own:
Ground combat at 85,49 (near Hankow)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 19650 troops, 118 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 519
Defending force 6708 troops, 38 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 238
Allied adjusted assault: 495
Japanese adjusted defense: 122
Allied assault odds: 4 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
1849 casualties reported
Squads: 27 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 96 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 22 (22 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2
Allied ground losses:
862 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 63 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
If he will be killing me, it's better that it's a company than a battalion:
Ground combat at 88,45 (near Kaifeng)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 12232 troops, 104 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 394
Defending force 197 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7
Japanese adjusted assault: 774
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 774 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)
Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Ah, well, the expected firepower losses...
Ground combat at Hankow (85,50)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 36846 troops, 437 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 878
Defending force 18912 troops, 117 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 285
Japanese adjusted assault: 1446
Allied adjusted defense: 161
Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
804 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 19 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 18 disabled
Vehicles lost 31 (18 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
7612 casualties reported
Squads: 257 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 306 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 4
He who shocks first gets the 2-1... But he's losing on points.
Ground combat at Iba (78,75)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 2138 troops, 19 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 99
Defending force 3998 troops, 73 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 134
Japanese adjusted assault: 114
Allied adjusted defense: 94
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
85 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Shock trumps everything else...
Ground combat at Manado (75,99)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 2351 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 63
Defending force 1154 troops, 16 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 27
Japanese adjusted assault: 80
Allied adjusted defense: 21
Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Manado !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
221 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 19 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1
Hard to draw conclusions from this:
Ground combat at Mauban (80,78)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 8500 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 216
Defending force 4468 troops, 123 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 72
Japanese adjusted assault: 58
Allied adjusted defense: 9
Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
189 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Don't park merchies in ports within range of B-17s...
Kuala Lumpur is an open city.
Reminds me of a comment I used to see about any ship being a minesweeper--once:
Sub attack near Bandjermasin at 59,101
Japanese Ships
SS I-156, hits 14, and is sunk
Allied Ships
CL Mauritius, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DD Encounter
BC Repulse
CL Glasgow
British cruisers of the period had a design error in the layout of their machinery rooms. A single torpedo or mine hit on an engine room often caused them to capsize quickly. It seems to have happened here.
Oopsie, walked into that. However, that sort of casualty fraction is a bit over the top:
Ground combat at 78,60 (near Hong Kong)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 1868 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 60
Defending force 20876 troops, 155 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 654
Allied adjusted assault: 0
Japanese adjusted defense: 1284
Allied assault odds: 1 to 99
Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Allied ground losses:
1701 casualties reported
Squads: 88 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 40 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 1 disabled
Quantity in this game has a quality all of its own:
Ground combat at 85,49 (near Hankow)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 19650 troops, 118 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 519
Defending force 6708 troops, 38 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 238
Allied adjusted assault: 495
Japanese adjusted defense: 122
Allied assault odds: 4 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
1849 casualties reported
Squads: 27 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 96 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 22 (22 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2
Allied ground losses:
862 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 63 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
If he will be killing me, it's better that it's a company than a battalion:
Ground combat at 88,45 (near Kaifeng)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 12232 troops, 104 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 394
Defending force 197 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7
Japanese adjusted assault: 774
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 774 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)
Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Ah, well, the expected firepower losses...
Ground combat at Hankow (85,50)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 36846 troops, 437 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 878
Defending force 18912 troops, 117 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 285
Japanese adjusted assault: 1446
Allied adjusted defense: 161
Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
804 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 19 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 18 disabled
Vehicles lost 31 (18 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
7612 casualties reported
Squads: 257 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 306 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 4
He who shocks first gets the 2-1... But he's losing on points.
Ground combat at Iba (78,75)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 2138 troops, 19 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 99
Defending force 3998 troops, 73 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 134
Japanese adjusted assault: 114
Allied adjusted defense: 94
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
85 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Shock trumps everything else...
Ground combat at Manado (75,99)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 2351 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 63
Defending force 1154 troops, 16 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 27
Japanese adjusted assault: 80
Allied adjusted defense: 21
Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Manado !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
221 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 19 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1
Hard to draw conclusions from this:
Ground combat at Mauban (80,78)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 8500 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 216
Defending force 4468 troops, 123 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 72
Japanese adjusted assault: 58
Allied adjusted defense: 9
Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
189 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
RE: Jan 1/2
ORIGINAL: witpqs
Harry,
I'll offer the observation that we have no knowledge of target density. The hex is 46 statute miles across - 1,662 sq miles if I punched in pi*r**2 correctly - so the density is anything from black hole to vacuum. Defender could be compressed into a smaller area as the fight goes on. They could fall back with lots of space behind them and remain at same density. They could spread out more. They could be falling back from one (abstracted) small objective to another.
The real test of this ground combat model has to be at a greater scale. How do things look by the time the battle is over? Not the day, the whole battle.
IMO. [8D]
The war in the Pacific did have low troop densities. The usual European force to hold a WitP-AE hex was an army, and the usual attacking force was an army group. A European corps could screen a maximum frontage of about one hex. So these battles almost always represent local actions in a much larger hex. Still, I'm finding I can predict outcomes fairly accurately by assuming it's a shoot-out at the OK Corral.
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
Jan 3/4
January 3/4 1942
The KB is hanging out in the South China Sea. That allows me to hit his warships operating south of the Philippines with my CVTFs. They're currently moving through the Torres Straits and will refuel at Darwin.
He has been hitting Wenchow with Mabels. I think I'll deploy a AVG squadron there for a turn and sweep Canton--the Mabel base.
The day's shock attacks. I'm working on the rule of better to lose a company than a battalion. A bombardment attack at Sinyang also probed the defences. They appear suitably weak for a shock attack next turn.
Ground combat at 78,60 (near Hong Kong)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 13364 troops, 112 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 653
Defending force 300 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1
Japanese adjusted assault: 828
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 828 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Allied ground losses:
231 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 33 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 1
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Ground combat at 89,45 (near Kaifeng)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 859 troops, 4 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 45
Defending force 234 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9
Japanese adjusted assault: 66
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 66 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
181 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1
Ground combat at Iba (78,75)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 3706 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 127
Defending force 2047 troops, 19 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 91
Allied adjusted assault: 64
Japanese adjusted defense: 67
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 23 (2 destroyed, 21 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
159 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Ground combat at Mauban (80,78)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 8457 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 215
Defending force 4339 troops, 123 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 57
Japanese adjusted assault: 217
Allied adjusted defense: 3
Japanese assault odds: 72 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)
Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
1394 casualties reported
Squads: 244 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 98 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 74 (74 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1
The KB is hanging out in the South China Sea. That allows me to hit his warships operating south of the Philippines with my CVTFs. They're currently moving through the Torres Straits and will refuel at Darwin.
He has been hitting Wenchow with Mabels. I think I'll deploy a AVG squadron there for a turn and sweep Canton--the Mabel base.
The day's shock attacks. I'm working on the rule of better to lose a company than a battalion. A bombardment attack at Sinyang also probed the defences. They appear suitably weak for a shock attack next turn.
Ground combat at 78,60 (near Hong Kong)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 13364 troops, 112 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 653
Defending force 300 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1
Japanese adjusted assault: 828
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 828 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Allied ground losses:
231 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 33 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 1
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Ground combat at 89,45 (near Kaifeng)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 859 troops, 4 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 45
Defending force 234 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9
Japanese adjusted assault: 66
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 66 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
181 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1
Ground combat at Iba (78,75)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 3706 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 127
Defending force 2047 troops, 19 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 91
Allied adjusted assault: 64
Japanese adjusted defense: 67
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 23 (2 destroyed, 21 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
159 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Ground combat at Mauban (80,78)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 8457 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 215
Defending force 4339 troops, 123 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 57
Japanese adjusted assault: 217
Allied adjusted defense: 3
Japanese assault odds: 72 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)
Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
1394 casualties reported
Squads: 244 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 98 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 74 (74 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
Jan 4/5
January 4/5 1942
Mostly air actions.
The day's shock attacks--neither of us uses deliberate attacks anymore--
Ground combat at 88,43 (near Kaifeng)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 13356 troops, 108 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 426
Defending force 5736 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 192
Japanese adjusted assault: 361
Allied adjusted defense: 77
Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)
Japanese ground losses:
547 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 45 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Allied ground losses:
2270 casualties reported
Squads: 78 destroyed, 65 disabled
Non Combat: 55 destroyed, 42 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Units retreated 1
Ground combat at Iba (78,75)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 1892 troops, 19 guns, 69 vehicles, Assault Value = 84
Defending force 3646 troops, 73 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 103
Japanese adjusted assault: 46
Allied adjusted defense: 34
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
150 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Mostly air actions.
The day's shock attacks--neither of us uses deliberate attacks anymore--
Ground combat at 88,43 (near Kaifeng)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 13356 troops, 108 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 426
Defending force 5736 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 192
Japanese adjusted assault: 361
Allied adjusted defense: 77
Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)
Japanese ground losses:
547 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 45 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Allied ground losses:
2270 casualties reported
Squads: 78 destroyed, 65 disabled
Non Combat: 55 destroyed, 42 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Units retreated 1
Ground combat at Iba (78,75)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 1892 troops, 19 guns, 69 vehicles, Assault Value = 84
Defending force 3646 troops, 73 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 103
Japanese adjusted assault: 46
Allied adjusted defense: 34
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
150 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
Jan 5/6
January 5/6 1942
DM Tracy sunk near Hawaii by SS I-4
Don't park your merchies within port strike range of B-17s!
The usual shock attacks:
Ground combat at 89,46 (near Kweiteh)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 6732 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 209
Defending force 348 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10
Japanese adjusted assault: 388
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 388 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)
Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
150 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 1
Units destroyed 2
Ground combat at Chengchow (88,44)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 59442 troops, 500 guns, 114 vehicles, Assault Value = 1889
Defending force 18686 troops, 98 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 277
Japanese adjusted assault: 1241
Allied adjusted defense: 235
Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Chengchow !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), op mode(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
1052 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 49 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 42 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Allied ground losses:
11064 casualties reported
Squads: 227 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 421 destroyed, 77 disabled
Engineers: 47 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 15 (15 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 9
Ground combat at Iba (78,75)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 3388 troops, 68 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 95
Defending force 1935 troops, 19 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 84
Allied adjusted assault: 2
Japanese adjusted defense: 97
Allied assault odds: 1 to 48
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
204 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 26782 troops, 156 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 643
Defending force 13590 troops, 91 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 394
Allied adjusted assault: 756
Japanese adjusted defense: 1219
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), op mode(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
631 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Allied ground losses:
1689 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 192 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 287 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Deliberate attack at Bataan. I took the advice and retained significant forces in reserve. Bombardment attack in return.
Ground combat at Bataan (78,77)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 48743 troops, 381 guns, 271 vehicles, Assault Value = 1547
Defending force 29574 troops, 577 guns, 228 vehicles, Assault Value = 820
Japanese adjusted assault: 781
Allied adjusted defense: 1097
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
3532 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 170 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 70 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 30 (3 destroyed, 27 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
1602 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 163 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 106 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
DM Tracy sunk near Hawaii by SS I-4
Don't park your merchies within port strike range of B-17s!
The usual shock attacks:
Ground combat at 89,46 (near Kweiteh)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 6732 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 209
Defending force 348 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10
Japanese adjusted assault: 388
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 388 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)
Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
150 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 1
Units destroyed 2
Ground combat at Chengchow (88,44)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 59442 troops, 500 guns, 114 vehicles, Assault Value = 1889
Defending force 18686 troops, 98 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 277
Japanese adjusted assault: 1241
Allied adjusted defense: 235
Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Chengchow !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), op mode(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
1052 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 49 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 42 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Allied ground losses:
11064 casualties reported
Squads: 227 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 421 destroyed, 77 disabled
Engineers: 47 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 15 (15 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 9
Ground combat at Iba (78,75)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 3388 troops, 68 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 95
Defending force 1935 troops, 19 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 84
Allied adjusted assault: 2
Japanese adjusted defense: 97
Allied assault odds: 1 to 48
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
204 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 26782 troops, 156 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 643
Defending force 13590 troops, 91 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 394
Allied adjusted assault: 756
Japanese adjusted defense: 1219
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), op mode(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
631 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Allied ground losses:
1689 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 192 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 287 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Deliberate attack at Bataan. I took the advice and retained significant forces in reserve. Bombardment attack in return.
Ground combat at Bataan (78,77)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 48743 troops, 381 guns, 271 vehicles, Assault Value = 1547
Defending force 29574 troops, 577 guns, 228 vehicles, Assault Value = 820
Japanese adjusted assault: 781
Allied adjusted defense: 1097
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
3532 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 170 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 70 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 30 (3 destroyed, 27 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
1602 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 163 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 106 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
Jan 6/7
January 6/7 1942
The usual shock attacks--fitting the model in each case:
Ground combat at Iba (78,75)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 1879 troops, 19 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 81
Defending force 3381 troops, 72 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 87
Japanese adjusted assault: 86
Allied adjusted defense: 31
Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Iba !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
3651 casualties reported
Squads: 200 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 190 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 92 (92 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 2
Ground combat at Mauban (80,78)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 8454 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 213
Defending force 1974 troops, 58 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 35
Japanese adjusted assault: 145
Allied adjusted defense: 5
Japanese assault odds: 29 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
104 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Ground combat at Utan Melintang (48,77)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 4206 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 127
Defending force 51 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2
Japanese adjusted assault: 214
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 214 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Utan Melintang !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)
Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 2
The usual shock attacks--fitting the model in each case:
Ground combat at Iba (78,75)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 1879 troops, 19 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 81
Defending force 3381 troops, 72 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 87
Japanese adjusted assault: 86
Allied adjusted defense: 31
Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Iba !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
3651 casualties reported
Squads: 200 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 190 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 92 (92 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 2
Ground combat at Mauban (80,78)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 8454 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 213
Defending force 1974 troops, 58 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 35
Japanese adjusted assault: 145
Allied adjusted defense: 5
Japanese assault odds: 29 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
104 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Ground combat at Utan Melintang (48,77)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 4206 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 127
Defending force 51 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2
Japanese adjusted assault: 214
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 214 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Utan Melintang !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)
Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 2
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
Planning
It appears the IJN may be marshalling for an invasion of Balikpapan. The KB is in the centre of the Sulu Sea, surrounded by various SAGs and landing forces. I have five SAGs currently refueling at Soerabaya with a British CVTF in support and I have three American CVTFs moving north towards Ambon after refueling at Darwin. He is blind, while I have patrol squadrons in Balikpapan, Cagayan, Makassar, Kendari, Ambon, Soerabaya, Sorong and Ternate.
"Attack Effectively First."
"Attack Effectively First."
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
Jan 7/8
January 7/8 1942
The KB moves a couple of hexes closer to Balikpapan. I'll just edge back a little and take advantage of the delay to bring my CVTFs to a position off Makassar.
I finished my statistical analysis--see the thread in the War Room--and conclude that the game engine produces seriously unhistorical results about 80% of the time for ground combat. It's actually broken so bad that what it produces has very little overlap with what occurred historically.
Japanese shock attacks near Hankow produce highly ahistorical results. This is particularly hard on the Chinese...
No bases change hands.
The KB moves a couple of hexes closer to Balikpapan. I'll just edge back a little and take advantage of the delay to bring my CVTFs to a position off Makassar.
I finished my statistical analysis--see the thread in the War Room--and conclude that the game engine produces seriously unhistorical results about 80% of the time for ground combat. It's actually broken so bad that what it produces has very little overlap with what occurred historically.
Japanese shock attacks near Hankow produce highly ahistorical results. This is particularly hard on the Chinese...
No bases change hands.
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
Jan 8/9
January 8/9 1942
Imaginary ground combat results.
Ground combat at Chengchow (88,44)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 62307 troops, 497 guns, 746 vehicles, Assault Value = 2220
Defending force 21083 troops, 76 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 630
Japanese adjusted assault: 2412
Allied adjusted defense: 30
Japanese assault odds: 80 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
466 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Vehicles lost 19 (2 destroyed, 17 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
12118 casualties reported
Squads: 191 destroyed, 313 disabled
Non Combat: 177 destroyed, 316 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 17 disabled
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 2
Imaginary ground combat results.
Ground combat at Chengchow (88,44)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 62307 troops, 497 guns, 746 vehicles, Assault Value = 2220
Defending force 21083 troops, 76 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 630
Japanese adjusted assault: 2412
Allied adjusted defense: 30
Japanese assault odds: 80 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
466 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Vehicles lost 19 (2 destroyed, 17 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
12118 casualties reported
Squads: 191 destroyed, 313 disabled
Non Combat: 177 destroyed, 316 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 17 disabled
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 2
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
Event Scheduled for Jan 9/10
As the Japanese invasion convoy approaches Balikpapan escorted by the KB, the Allied Eastern Fleet (6 SAGs, 4 CVTFs) prepares for the battle on the morn. The Allied SAG commanders know their mission is to close with the KB (and anything else that gets in their way) for night surface engagements, while the Allied CVTFs are preparing for air attacks on the Japanese carrier force. The commander of the Eastern Fleet is relying on the intelligence asymmetry between the two forces to allow him to attack effectively first.
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com


