. Also a PzIV loses a duel with a T34 up there.Germans have discovered that shooting their own troops does a good job at un-routing them
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An imobalized T34 is destroyed in the north and a second one escapes death due to poor shooting . Also a PzIV loses a duel with a T34 up there.
Germans have discovered that shooting their own troops does a good job at un-routing them
. Also a PzIV loses a duel with a T34 up there.Germans have discovered that shooting their own troops does a good job at un-routing them
"The true measure of a hero is one who would lay down their lives in full knowledge that the people they save would never know their sacrifice"
In the south 2 out of 3 remaining Pz IVs are burning. Soviets put forward heavy KV-1C's and their armor protected them for Pz IVs rounds, once they were exhausted T-34s and ZiS-30 moved in to finish them off. The third Pz IV was found behind the bushes but it will have to wait until next turn. In the north 2 German Flamers were extinguished. Partisans report at least one 88 AA gun appeared to have moved escaping arty barrage and is aimed at the northen hill so I have to be extra carefull. 
Let's see what happens to it next turn. Some German armor is still present in the north. German reinforcements being rushed in nearly escaped Soviet artillery bombardement suppressing German 81mm positions.
Let's see what happens to it next turn. Some German armor is still present in the north. German reinforcements being rushed in nearly escaped Soviet artillery bombardement suppressing German 81mm positions."It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."
--MUHAMMAD ALI
--MUHAMMAD ALI
You killed 2 out of 4 actualy one is imobalized with it arse facing yoru tanks, sure you will find it this turn.
The north is lost, nothing can be done about it. It is aprent now that the enemy force is almost entirely tanks. The few infintry I have seen have mainly been there just to deal with what is left over.
My few panzers near the south hill make a desperte struggle to hold back a wave of soviet tanks. The southern and northern vh's are starting to be over run by soviet tanks and a couple inf here and there.
Enemy force complement as seen so far goes a little something like this:
T34's - to many to have anticipated (probly like 50)
Heavy tanks - maby 6 total
Flame tanks - probly 2 or 3 pits
AA trucks - a company worth
AT trucks - a company or 2 (if I recall a lot come in a bundle)
Inf/calvery - few and far between probly about 3 companies worth (maby more maby less hard to say).
And of cource artillery in the heavy 120 morter kind + a few (maby 4? actual big AT guns.
Granted the battle is not over (5 turns to go) however I can make the following observations. The german strategy was sound, once the enemy refused to engage I tried to push the fight as far from the middle (vh areas) as possible without rushing headfirst into his lines.
This worked well and probly would have worked had it not been for my under-estimation of enemy tank numbers and also only haveing 4 prime movers to my name to move my 88's into position in time.
Due to my lack of proper support vehicals when the battle was pushed so far foward it went right out of my artillery range and I was forced to fight without proper 88/Arty support.
Add to that my overly cautious artillery placement which rendered half my artillery out of amo by mid game due to my inability to rearm them.
I have learned many things and am confident when the rematch comes around (and there will be one!
) I will be able to much better perform with such a large force. Also it will have more then the pittly 28 turns (far to short for these sized forces) which will allow for more cautious movements and decision making.
Lastly as everyone knows soviet artillery is painfull those 120mm morters can tear your lines to shreads and keep doing it indefinitly. For instace the north being the one place I had planed on making my push was cut to shreads in one turn by a massive 120mm bombardment. I am still not totaly sure how to minimize their effectivness however I have some ideas in mind.
The north is lost, nothing can be done about it. It is aprent now that the enemy force is almost entirely tanks. The few infintry I have seen have mainly been there just to deal with what is left over.
My few panzers near the south hill make a desperte struggle to hold back a wave of soviet tanks. The southern and northern vh's are starting to be over run by soviet tanks and a couple inf here and there.
Enemy force complement as seen so far goes a little something like this:
T34's - to many to have anticipated (probly like 50)
Heavy tanks - maby 6 total
Flame tanks - probly 2 or 3 pits
AA trucks - a company worth
AT trucks - a company or 2 (if I recall a lot come in a bundle)
Inf/calvery - few and far between probly about 3 companies worth (maby more maby less hard to say).
And of cource artillery in the heavy 120 morter kind + a few (maby 4? actual big AT guns.
Granted the battle is not over (5 turns to go) however I can make the following observations. The german strategy was sound, once the enemy refused to engage I tried to push the fight as far from the middle (vh areas) as possible without rushing headfirst into his lines.
This worked well and probly would have worked had it not been for my under-estimation of enemy tank numbers and also only haveing 4 prime movers to my name to move my 88's into position in time.
Due to my lack of proper support vehicals when the battle was pushed so far foward it went right out of my artillery range and I was forced to fight without proper 88/Arty support.
Add to that my overly cautious artillery placement which rendered half my artillery out of amo by mid game due to my inability to rearm them.
I have learned many things and am confident when the rematch comes around (and there will be one!
) I will be able to much better perform with such a large force. Also it will have more then the pittly 28 turns (far to short for these sized forces) which will allow for more cautious movements and decision making.Lastly as everyone knows soviet artillery is painfull those 120mm morters can tear your lines to shreads and keep doing it indefinitly. For instace the north being the one place I had planed on making my push was cut to shreads in one turn by a massive 120mm bombardment. I am still not totaly sure how to minimize their effectivness however I have some ideas in mind.
"The true measure of a hero is one who would lay down their lives in full knowledge that the people they save would never know their sacrifice"
BTW, those are not 120's, those are 152's, makes alot of difference, especially if applied in the right spot
The situatuation is still not clear. Germans are rushing many reinforcements. 2 AUX Pz IVs were spotted in the south by a damaged T-34 right before it blew up from a round from one of the surviving Pz IVs. Two of them remained in the area, one immobolized and the second covering it. I moved ZiS-30 and T-34 to distract them and then moved KV-1C from a flank. Now those two Panzers are burning. In the north, the remaining Pz IV was surrounded but held up well under fire until finished by ZiS-30. One of the 88s relocated further in the back and was ambushed by a partisan unit. It's not done yet but unless somebody helps it, next turn will be its last. Also a pesky 37mm AA Flak almost sneaked by me but now is suppressed and will be finished next turn.
The situatuation is still not clear. Germans are rushing many reinforcements. 2 AUX Pz IVs were spotted in the south by a damaged T-34 right before it blew up from a round from one of the surviving Pz IVs. Two of them remained in the area, one immobolized and the second covering it. I moved ZiS-30 and T-34 to distract them and then moved KV-1C from a flank. Now those two Panzers are burning. In the north, the remaining Pz IV was surrounded but held up well under fire until finished by ZiS-30. One of the 88s relocated further in the back and was ambushed by a partisan unit. It's not done yet but unless somebody helps it, next turn will be its last. Also a pesky 37mm AA Flak almost sneaked by me but now is suppressed and will be finished next turn.
"It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."
--MUHAMMAD ALI
--MUHAMMAD ALI
German forces counter-attack! Well the reinforcements do anyway
I belive that little mobile AT platform you have on the south hill should rubbed for luck anytime you go to a casino. It survived 2 MC squads, 5 PzIV's. Obviously because all my panzers missed!
It's imobalized and thus usless at this point however it's still irritating it managed to dodge so well
However the 2 big soviet tanks in the far soth are both imobalized and will be subject to all the artillery I can spare I promis A T34 is spotter there also whom apears to be terrified out of his mind, understandable.
My MC squads storm the south hill taking out one of those big tanks as payback for the poor dead panzers. MC squads also cleared the top of the hill from inf.
In far north 2 movers despertly attack the partisans failing miserably, big shock :rolleyes: In the upper part of the map my remaining 50mm morter squad kills some guard inf as a last ditch effort to hold them back. Brave lads every one of them to stand alone vs so many.
Nearer to the center that 88 takes out a T34. A little southeast of that my last calvery make a charge for the T34 there and get mowed down.
Artillery fire at the end of turn from the soviets was comparativly light.
Very eventfull turn.
I belive that little mobile AT platform you have on the south hill should rubbed for luck anytime you go to a casino. It survived 2 MC squads, 5 PzIV's. Obviously because all my panzers missed!
It's imobalized and thus usless at this point however it's still irritating it managed to dodge so well However the 2 big soviet tanks in the far soth are both imobalized and will be subject to all the artillery I can spare I promis
A T34 is spotter there also whom apears to be terrified out of his mind, understandable. My MC squads storm the south hill taking out one of those big tanks as payback for the poor dead panzers. MC squads also cleared the top of the hill from inf.
In far north 2 movers despertly attack the partisans failing miserably, big shock :rolleyes: In the upper part of the map my remaining 50mm morter squad kills some guard inf as a last ditch effort to hold them back. Brave lads every one of them to stand alone vs so many.
Nearer to the center that 88 takes out a T34. A little southeast of that my last calvery make a charge for the T34 there and get mowed down.
Artillery fire at the end of turn from the soviets was comparativly light.
Very eventfull turn.
"The true measure of a hero is one who would lay down their lives in full knowledge that the people they save would never know their sacrifice"
I lost ZiS-30 this turn to a Flak fire. In the north-central and rear 3 x 88 AA and 1 x 37 mm AA positions are taken out. There's at least one more 88 position in the north but it already knows what will happen to it next turn. I think there was a MC squad rushing to save the 88 in the rear but they are too late.
There's a reason why Soviet artillery was quiet last turn. Since my southern flank was confronted with 4-5 Pz IV with some infantry support, I moved my arty from previous secondary targets and targeted the area of their expected entry with 3 X 152 mm bombardments 
. Let me tell you it wasn't pretty. Those guys thought they have outnumbered my 3 tanks present there all already suppressed by 81mm mortars when the shells started falling. I don't think it killed any panzers right away but at least I think it will keep them quiet for a while for my support to arrive.
There's a reason why Soviet artillery was quiet last turn. Since my southern flank was confronted with 4-5 Pz IV with some infantry support, I moved my arty from previous secondary targets and targeted the area of their expected entry with 3 X 152 mm bombardments
. Let me tell you it wasn't pretty. Those guys thought they have outnumbered my 3 tanks present there all already suppressed by 81mm mortars when the shells started falling. I don't think it killed any panzers right away but at least I think it will keep them quiet for a while for my support to arrive."It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."
--MUHAMMAD ALI
--MUHAMMAD ALI
German forces continue to struggle to hold back the soviets. In the south soviets are slowly being surrounded.
Nothing really of import to report, many attemts where taken to attack soviet tanks and all failed. However a few soviet infantry won't be comming home.
Nothing really of import to report, many attemts where taken to attack soviet tanks and all failed. However a few soviet infantry won't be comming home.
"The true measure of a hero is one who would lay down their lives in full knowledge that the people they save would never know their sacrifice"
The South is becoming a major point again, German reinforcements are pushing hard. In the north-central, T-34 was assaulted and killed by German rifle squad. AFAIK German 88 AA position is suppressed and will be finished off in the next turn.
"It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."
--MUHAMMAD ALI
--MUHAMMAD ALI
That poor 88 in the north, I got it un-supressed but then noooo at the end of my turn you have to blast it one more time to be safe
In the middle soviets are throwing so much smoke on the middle vh hill that my troops there are complaining about missing the sunset. It is obvious that the soviets plan to assault that hill with their northern/NE contingent of tanks and inf in the 3 turns that remain. This is fine the hill is as prepared as I could make it Watch where you step :p
The south is where all the action happened this turn. Soviets lost a flametank, 2 mobile AT, a T34 , an asortment of SO inf from crewman to calvery died, and a bunch more shells where put into one of those invincible monstrosities you call tanks.
The flametank I already knew about, the T34 I found by chance when one of my tanks crested the hill and got a rear shot in on it! 1 more mobile AT is down there but it is surrounded by MC squads and only has 1 panzer to shoot at before it dies next turn.
There is still the flametank that is imobalized on the southern vh's to deal with but my forces are closing in to recapture them. Even thow I KNOW there are more tanks down there I just havn't found yet.
In the middle soviets are throwing so much smoke on the middle vh hill that my troops there are complaining about missing the sunset. It is obvious that the soviets plan to assault that hill with their northern/NE contingent of tanks and inf in the 3 turns that remain. This is fine the hill is as prepared as I could make it
Watch where you step :p The south is where all the action happened this turn. Soviets lost a flametank, 2 mobile AT, a T34 , an asortment of SO inf from crewman to calvery died, and a bunch more shells where put into one of those invincible monstrosities you call tanks.
The flametank I already knew about, the T34 I found by chance when one of my tanks crested the hill and got a rear shot in on it! 1 more mobile AT is down there but it is surrounded by MC squads and only has 1 panzer to shoot at before it dies next turn.
There is still the flametank that is imobalized on the southern vh's to deal with but my forces are closing in to recapture them. Even thow I KNOW there are more tanks down there I just havn't found yet.
"The true measure of a hero is one who would lay down their lives in full knowledge that the people they save would never know their sacrifice"
Defenders? I don't need defenders up there! thats why my engineers laid mines all over the place for
In the south 2 brave PzIV's die to a T34 that learned how to shoot big time.
Soviets are also making some foolish last ditch effort to move on my rear vh's via the northern rout, I can assure you sir you can pick one or the other and have a chance but you won't get either if you split up like that
In the middle an AA truck bites the big one and some pesky inf are run off. I also belive I got the truck can't remember. In the south a mobile AT is no longer mobile
I think I can hold the middle (especialy if he drives thru the wrong hexs), and unless he has some suprises he has lost the south vh's.
In the south 2 brave PzIV's die to a T34 that learned how to shoot big time.
Soviets are also making some foolish last ditch effort to move on my rear vh's via the northern rout, I can assure you sir you can pick one or the other and have a chance but you won't get either if you split up like that
In the middle an AA truck bites the big one and some pesky inf are run off. I also belive I got the truck can't remember. In the south a mobile AT is no longer mobile
I think I can hold the middle (especialy if he drives thru the wrong hexs
), and unless he has some suprises he has lost the south vh's. "The true measure of a hero is one who would lay down their lives in full knowledge that the people they save would never know their sacrifice"
Minding those 'scary' mines 
Soviets probe their way with cheap equipment from the unexpected directions unless the Germans managed to surround the victory hexes with a minefield. In the south, Soviet front units withdrew and back up is starting to arrive so the south will be very interesting to watch in the final turns.
Soviets probe their way with cheap equipment from the unexpected directions unless the Germans managed to surround the victory hexes with a minefield. In the south, Soviet front units withdrew and back up is starting to arrive so the south will be very interesting to watch in the final turns."It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."
--MUHAMMAD ALI
--MUHAMMAD ALI
Nope we didn't but I assure you it will cost you big time to take that hill. For instace it is 400 points worth in those vh's (80 each I belive). You have this turn just lost 200 worth of equipment heading to it Ask yourself is it worth it?
In the south my panzers have a rough turn. 2 Die to the T34 on the south face of the hill before they kill it finialy.
In the middle a very brave flamepanzer rushes a T34 and wins, feeling so prowd of himself he decides to explore a bit and runs into 2 enemy tanks. With honor (he'll get a special medal sent to his family) he destroyes one of them (the flame one) before he himself is taken out.
Also that truck you ran foward died. One of your T34's finds itself right in the sights of my AA gun in the very middle that has caused you so many problems It survived of cource. Gotta make sure that AA gun gets a promotion after the battle
Ask yourself is it worth it? In the south my panzers have a rough turn. 2 Die to the T34 on the south face of the hill before they kill it finialy.
In the middle a very brave flamepanzer rushes a T34 and wins, feeling so prowd of himself he decides to explore a bit and runs into 2 enemy tanks. With honor (he'll get a special medal sent to his family) he destroyes one of them (the flame one) before he himself is taken out.
Also that truck you ran foward died. One of your T34's finds itself right in the sights of my AA gun in the very middle that has caused you so many problems
It survived of cource. Gotta make sure that AA gun gets a promotion after the battle "The true measure of a hero is one who would lay down their lives in full knowledge that the people they save would never know their sacrifice"
Soviets lost a KV-1C to Pz IV. KV tried to relieve the guards squad and was killed, though it did take the panzer three point blank hits. The middle hillis being overtaken slowly, haven't seen any mines yet 
but have seen plenty of running engineers:D
but have seen plenty of running engineers:D"It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."
--MUHAMMAD ALI
--MUHAMMAD ALI
And it's all over folks.
The finial turn the soviets lost 2 more tanks and various infintry. The finial standing is a DRAW! The Soviets only managed to take the northern vh's. The middle never changed hands and the Germans reinforcements recaptured the southern vh's.
Soviet 18475
Germ 16211
Losses
SO...........Germ
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1273........1722.....Men
4..............13.........Artillery
10............11.........Soft Vehicals
0..............1...........APC's
86............66.........AFV's (knew you had a ton )
3..............0...........Air
Considering how outnumbered I was tank wise I think I held him back well. The soviets had at least 10 more tanks left at the end of the battle, most likly probly around 100 total. Against my 50 (about) original tanks (the other AFV's being AC's) I am impressed they withstood it so well.
It was a great battle and I learned a lot. I look foward to the rematch.
The finial turn the soviets lost 2 more tanks and various infintry. The finial standing is a DRAW! The Soviets only managed to take the northern vh's. The middle never changed hands and the Germans reinforcements recaptured the southern vh's.
Soviet 18475
Germ 16211
Losses
SO...........Germ
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1273........1722.....Men
4..............13.........Artillery
10............11.........Soft Vehicals
0..............1...........APC's
86............66.........AFV's (knew you had a ton
)3..............0...........Air
Considering how outnumbered I was tank wise I think I held him back well. The soviets had at least 10 more tanks left at the end of the battle, most likly probly around 100 total. Against my 50 (about) original tanks (the other AFV's being AC's) I am impressed they withstood it so well.
It was a great battle and I learned a lot. I look foward to the rematch.
"The true measure of a hero is one who would lay down their lives in full knowledge that the people they save would never know their sacrifice"