Nothing to See Here, Move Along

[jeffk3510]

You never stop do you

[dorjun driver]

Good bloody grief. I should have bought stock in Orville Redenbacher.

[1275psi]

I would just like to personally thank Nick for the three wonderful game years his Nick mod gave myself
CHS was magic[&o][&o][&o][&o]

But of course that did not contribute to our community..........[8|][8|]


This is so truking amusing to read this thread, LOL

i just laugh..............

[1275psi]

I can see the problems when I read the AArs..........

But i will never contribute one...............

LOL
Wonder why

(note folks, he did not answer the question, never will

Do you play, do you own the game?

Would he ever get an opponent[8|]

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: dorjun driver

Good bloody grief. I should have bought stock in Orville Redenbacher.

[:D]

Well, most of us just want to learn more about the game and something about it's relationship to history on the way. mdiehl, commander storm wolf and others make it hard to do this. Threads can easily veer if people don't know the context or, as sometimes is the case, want entertainment from the resulting fires.

This whole thing is amazing to me. Why do people want to be involved in communities just to get in the way of what that community is trying to do? I usually don't read these things at all, but I really appreciate reading the LoBaron and Nikademus historical explanations of this particular poster.

My main question is; who has time for that?

[KenchiSulla]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: dorjun driver

Good bloody grief. I should have bought stock in Orville Redenbacher.

[:D]

Well, most of us just want to learn more about the game and something about it's relationship to history on the way. mdiehl, commander storm wolf and others make it hard to do this. Threads can easily veer if people don't know the context or, as sometimes is the case, want entertainment from the resulting fires.

This whole thing is amazing to me. Why do people want to be involved in communities just to get in the way of what that community is trying to do? I usually don't read these things at all, but I really appreciate reading the LoBaron and Nikademus historical explanations of this particular poster.

My main question is; who has time for that?

Apparantly Mdiehl..

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: dorjun driver
Good bloody grief. I should have bought stock in Orville Redenbacher.

Poppy the Pimple says don't forget to use real butter. You never know when reality will rear it's ugly head. Best to anticipate it and buy Orville Redenbacher or maybe talk to the Barclay bankers in the Bahamas. Poppy says, Oooohh, I so love pimples ready to pop;

I am a dickhead, set for eruption;
I know it all, so I got the gumption;
To slather the proles;
With fewmets from trolls;
And cover them up with – I’m not smart enough to find a decent rhyme – extreme Deilio unction..

[mjk428]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

Diehl chose this forum because...

It's amazing to me that you think you know what motivated mdiehl to join 12 years ago. Fact is: you don't know. Although most folks arrived originally thanks to Matrix re-releasing Steel Panthers and PacWar.

Yet he kept sticking around.....

As his right and as a member in good standing.

Can Mr. Diehl say the same?

He doesn't have to. He has as much right to participate in this forum as anyone else here.



I've been insulted on numerous occasions by mdiehl in other forums. I still defend his right to be here because the "usual suspects" will always have their sights set on someone. If mdiehl & Stormwolf disappeared tomorrow new targets would be selected as unworthy.

[Nikademus]

BJmorgan, Warspite1.

Point conceeded. Deleted. [&o]

[morganbj]

Can you guys hold this for a bit?

I ran out of popcorn.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: bjmorgan

Can you guys hold this for a bit?

I ran out of popcorn.

Warspite1

[&o]

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: dorjun driver
Good bloody grief. I should have bought stock in Orville Redenbacher.

Poppy the Pimple says don't forget to use real butter. You never know when reality will rear it's ugly head. Best to anticipate it and buy Orville Redenbacher or maybe talk to the Barclay bankers in the Bahamas. Poppy says, Oooohh, I so love pimples ready to pop;

I am a dickhead, set for eruption;
I know it all, so I got the gumption;
To slather the proles;
With fewmets from trolls;
And cover them up with – I’m not smart enough to find a decent rhyme – extreme Deilio unction..

assumption function luncheon truncheon presumption junction[:-]

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert
assumption function luncheon truncheon presumption junction

Luncheon. Now that has real possibilities. Assumption is what everyone does, so we can't use that; Function is a technical term that our little boy isn't very good at; Truncheon is a bit too emotionally loaded with Nazi word associations; Presumption is exactly what we are talking about, so it becomes a tautology; Junction has possibilities, too, just can't make out what they might be.

Luncheon is good. Some Genoa, Capacola, Ham, bit of Provolone, tomatoes, spices, all on a Tuscan boule. The kind of stuff that gives teenage girls the horrors.

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: bjmorgan

Can you guys hold this for a bit?

I ran out of popcorn.

Who needs popcorn when there is beer?

[Sredni]

I will reiterate a point here that by far the most damage to the forums and the various threads done here is done by the people who relentlessly feed the trolls (whoever they may be), to the point where they're little better then trolls themselves.

That stormwolf thread was a perfect chance to encourage stormwolf to separate his endless posting to posts of his own devising and to stop using other peoples threads for tangential posts. Instead detractors essentially flooded his thread and trashed it (who were the trolls in that thread?). If none of you had anything constructive to add to that thread and refrained from posting in it, it would have quickly fallen off the front page with little to no impact.

Similarly in normal threads where people post off-topic or what may be called "trollish" posts, if people didn't constantly and relentlessly reply and feed into those off-topic posts the threads wouldn't be endlessly derailed and rendered worthless. Instead the "trollish" or off-topic posts would go unremarked and have little effect on reasoned discussion.

I find the posters who try to derail or who posts endlessly and over enthusiastically about off topic stuff fairly easy to ignore (I don't even need to go on endlessly with post after post about green buttons to do so). I find the distasteful and blatantly rude posts directed at those others posters much more offensive and harder to ignore, especially considering how many of them there end up being compared to the original "troll" posts.

I pretty much stopped posting here months ago and went back to lurking due to a previous outbreak of completely unacceptable posting by "normal" posters directed toward the forums "trolls". Personal attacks, insults, drama. God I hate anything that smacks of those.

This latest spat of insults and disrespect has me wondering if I should just give up on these forums altogether.

[geofflambert]

I'm sure most of these threads will continue to be useful to most subscribers, but I'm done with either taking sides or trying to mediate, as this particular case has been going for ten years.  Many of our interactions involve making jokes about each other which are usually richly deserved, and I for one wish more of you would make fun of me and with more effort.  The actual combatants are a different matter.  mdiehl is somewhat compulsive and he needs to work on that.  Nikademus spent altogether too much time defending himself when no defense was required.  When I sense hostility I will simply disconnect, but if someone is making fun of me (please do I'm getting really lonely), if an argument of this type begins and I'm a participant I will try to disengage.  When it's going nowhere, don't go with it, but if someone has an interesting point of view, give them a chance whatever the history.  I think that's actually the case for the most part without me saying so, even though some might wish to deny it.  Case in point is that each of the primary agents actually read what the other writes, and that is actually a sign of respect.  Nonetheless I recommend everyone stock up on microwave popcorn, but stay away from that synthetic butter stuff, it destroys your lungs.  And please read our (vontiger's and mine) AAR and make lots of ignorant comments, just don't take sides.  It may  be an interesting experiment where both sides are posting and reading the other's posts.  Give us some support.

Thank you

[warspite1]

If you want to be made fun of then come to the GD forum. I guarantee we will rip the living $%^& out of you over there if that's what you want.....

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: Sredni

I will reiterate a point here that by far the most damage to the forums and the various threads done here is done by the people who relentlessly feed the trolls (whoever they may be), to the point where they're little better then trolls themselves.

That stormwolf thread was a perfect chance to encourage stormwolf to separate his endless posting to posts of his own devising and to stop using other peoples threads for tangential posts. Instead detractors essentially flooded his thread and trashed it (who were the trolls in that thread?). If none of you had anything constructive to add to that thread and refrained from posting in it, it would have quickly fallen off the front page with little to no impact.

Similarly in normal threads where people post off-topic or what may be called "trollish" posts, if people didn't constantly and relentlessly reply and feed into those off-topic posts the threads wouldn't be endlessly derailed and rendered worthless. Instead the "trollish" or off-topic posts would go unremarked and have little effect on reasoned discussion.

I find the posters who try to derail or who posts endlessly and over enthusiastically about off topic stuff fairly easy to ignore (I don't even need to go on endlessly with post after post about green buttons to do so). I find the distasteful and blatantly rude posts directed at those others posters much more offensive and harder to ignore, especially considering how many of them there end up being compared to the original "troll" posts.

I pretty much stopped posting here months ago and went back to lurking due to a previous outbreak of completely unacceptable posting by "normal" posters directed toward the forums "trolls". Personal attacks, insults, drama. God I hate anything that smacks of those.

This latest spat of insults and disrespect has me wondering if I should just give up on these forums altogether.

Actually, Sredni, I very much agree with your wishes. I also admit that at least from time to time I also participate in a way not benficial to the general
atmosphere in the forums.

On the other hand this place is full of strong characters who on average rate their own knowledge on topics under discussion pretty high, and are easily
irritated by obviousely incomplete thoughts repeatedly voiced with conviction. Not neccessarily how it should be, but thats the way it is.

What you are hoping for is an ideal community which at the same time provides ground for interesting discussions possibly originating from different
POVs, while on the other hand deliberately ignoring POVs which they believe are wrong and/or incomplete. You cannot have both. That is the nature
of the beast.

That said, I got the answer I was looking for in my OP long ago on P1 of this current escalation, so changed the thread title accordingly.
I am outta here, let the games continue.

[ilovestrategy]

ORIGINAL: dorjun driver

Good bloody grief. I should have bought stock in Orville Redenbacher.

Oh good lord, I didn't get it at first and started laughing.

One thing I am wondering about though, I don't have very much knowledge of WitpAE, and I had to buy a used copy for $30(I'm one step away from poverty), but I'm always here in these forums because I like reading about the game and I love the history of the Pacific War. Isn't mdiehl pretty much in the same boat as me?

[Charbroiled]

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

ORIGINAL: dorjun driver

Good bloody grief. I should have bought stock in Orville Redenbacher.

Oh good lord, I didn't get it at first and started laughing.

One thing I am wondering about though, I don't have very much knowledge of WitpAE, and I had to buy a used copy for $30(I'm one step away from poverty), but I'm always here in these forums because I like reading about the game and I love the history of the Pacific War. Isn't mdiehl pretty much in the same boat as me?

Well, he would be if he were interested in the value of the game instead of the faults of the game......which is a game after all.

It would seem that Mr. mdiehl would be better served to frequent forums who's purpose is to discuss the actual war itself instead of sharing his "expertize" on a game forum where apparently his "expertize" is not appreciated to the extend that some think it should be.