NONSENSE!! Air Combat Idiocy.

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RE: NONSENSE!! Air Combat Idiocy.

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ORIGINAL: PetrOs

In real life, such things happened, when the much inferiour fighter would kill or scare off. My greatgrandfather's last two kills were in a badly used I-16 type 5 armed with a pair of 7,62mm MGs only, with his wingman flying another similar rust bucket. The downed german planes were a He-111 and a Me-109F. Frontal attack on the He and probably shot pilot, as He spinned down. Other Heinkels of the same flight were reported to drop the bombs randomly and turn off. Then 'out-of-the-sun' on the Messerschmitt, which caught fire and exploded. Another Bf109F shot him down a few seconds later however, with my greatgrandfather surviving, but very badly injured, never to fly again. 14 bullets... Only surviving as when his plane exploded, his parachute opened, and he landed, unconscious, just a few meters in front of a hospital's air defence bunker - operated immediately.

P.S. It was his 4th and 5th victories of the same day (13th and 14th total), and his 5th lost plane on the same day, too! (Take off in MiG-3, down Ju-88, engine damaged by tail gunner, forced landing on one of Leningrad's central streets, got police car to drive him to base, take off in another MiG, engine jammed on take off, forced landing, take off in yet another MiG, down a Ju-88 and Me-110, bail out with engine on fire, parachute directly to his own runway, take a Yak-1 from another squadron, attacked on take off, damaged but not downed an attacking Me-109, but yet another forced landing. Then the only spare plane on the base was a 10 years old I-16 with half of the guns and armor removed, used as liaison and training plane...)

wow. Thank you so much for sharing one of the many never told stories that are very worth telling. [:)]
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RE: NONSENSE!! Air Combat Idiocy.

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I generally don't even bother opening a thread with a heading that includes "nonsense", "stupid(ity)" or "idiot(ic)". I guess this one slipped by due to "idiocy".

So, once again, EVERY OUTCOME IS POSSIBLE. AE gives a chance for every possible result that logic dictates, up to and including David whipping a brace of Goliaths. A random chance exists for all of them and all of them will eventually pop up. Something that seems "idiocy" is the result of a 1-in-a-bigbunch chance hitting.

It is not possible to extend human understanding of a situation to a computerized random number generator. What you get is a 50% chance of this and a 25% chance of this, etc., down to a 1/100,000 chance of this other thing. If one gets a seemingly unreasonable result, fire the leaders and move on.
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RE: NONSENSE!! Air Combat Idiocy.

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ORIGINAL: chazz

Thanks 4 the feedback, guys. The anecdotal stuff helps- it makes sense, and, being a lover of reason it makes sense to me.

I also understand that "nothing breeds success like success". So I'm going to pull these B-17's out of the firing line and give them something that they can do.

The thing that will help you the most is if you listen to the posters who pointed out that 50ish morale is VERY BAD. You're lucky they flew at all.

You have to rest them often, get leaders with 60+ leadership and inspiration, and not fly them on extended range daily with no rest.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
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