Monster Scenarios

[Curtis Lemay]

I think facilities for a production system would be a fun addition to some of the theater-sized scenarios. But that's just blue sky for now. Lots more stuff would have to get done first.

[rico21]

I hope to adapt Stalin vs Martians

[dox44]

impossible. no wayyy man

not EVEN rico could pull that off.

[pzgndr]

ORIGINAL: Tamas
yes I think the Theater Options and the events (probably my favourite features of TOAW since the beginning, to be honest) give a lot of opportunities to create strategic context and some cases even strategic decisions.

That's all I'm getting at. Just curious if any enhancements have been made to the options and event scripting for TOAW IV and which grand campaign scenarios will include strategic options for players to select from. Like a monster ETO '39-'45 campaign, which needs some provisions for DOWs and reactions unless these must be hard-wired for everything happening on historical dates.

Not asking for any new strategic features, just wondering what's been done for the TOAW IV release to look for.

[menik]

I apologize for my bad english. A scenary I like most is the Russo-japanese war of the 1904-5 (white eagle-rising sun). A problem in this scenario is that the russian fleet can destroy the japanese fleet at turn 1 and this end the game. Toaw IV can overcome this limit and allow us to appreciate the naval role?

[sinbuster]

As this question is related to scenarios in general, does TOAWIV include linked scenarios like the Campaign Series or are they basically self contained like WITE/W?

(Never played TOAW before, I've been holding off until IV comes out)

[Meyer1]

No linked scenarios in TOAW.

[sinbuster]

Thanks for clarifying Meyer1.

[fogger]

At the moment I am testing FITE2 on TOAW 4 at 5kms per hex and I have 2035 units in play. Turn 172 of 500. With TOAW 4 you will be able to do WW2 at 10kms and Regt / Bn level. You will wet your pants when it come out.

[Lobster]

The impact of what fogger said is that a portrayal of all of the European Theater at 10 km per hex is possible, both East and West fronts. A 700x700 hex map has been part of the plan for some time now and that information has been available for at least a couple of years. And if someone were crazy enough the entire war at a global scale is well within limits at 50 km per hex. I can't say how accurate it would be but the possibility is out there.

[SpicyJuan]

ORIGINAL: fogger

At the moment I am testing FITE2 on TOAW 4 at 5kms per hex and I have 2035 units in play. Turn 172 of 500. With TOAW 4 you will be able to do WW2 at 10kms and Regt / Bn level. You will wet your pants when it come out.

Do you know if the D21 @ 2.5km/hex will be ready by release?
http://www.operationbarbarossa.net/almo ... rossa-map/

[*Lava*]

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

I think facilities for a production system would be a fun addition to some of the theater-sized scenarios. But that's just blue sky for now. Lots more stuff would have to get done first.

That would be great especially when linked to events.

A long time ago I modded a scenario in which I made a production tree out in the water with a single unit that could move 1 hex a turn. At different intervals, the player had to make decisions which route he wanted to take. I believe I also linked it to events such that some routes were blocked until such and such happened. It was pretty basic, but I believe it worked alright.

I also did a production system with the scenario editor in which at different intervals or events, an unmovable unit was placed on the map containing various types of equipment. The player then only needed to disband the unit and all the equipment would enter into his inventory.

It's doable right now, you just have to be creative.

[jnpoint]

I don't get it. Scenarios over several years but no tech or production. Do they then fight from 1939 to 1945 with weapons produced in '39?

[larryfulkerson]

ORIGINAL: jnpoint
I don't get it. Scenarios over several years but no tech or production. Do they then fight from 1939 to 1945 with weapons produced in '39?

One of the tricks that scenario designers use for upgrading the equipment in a
unit is to assign some to the unit when the number on hand is still 0 so that
none of the equipment for '43 shows up in the unit until '43.

Another trick is to withdraw that unit from the game amd spawn a new unit with
a similar name with the new equipment. Most scenario designers use the first
method.

Right now I'm playtesting a scenario to see if it's balanced. That scenario
is B41, actually a mod of B41 because I've given RR engineers
to all the Engineering Units. At any rate, this scenario has aircraft being
withdrawn from the game from the Axis side presumably because they are needed
on the Western front, but later in the game there's new equipment that shows up
in the inventory so that the units start fielding the new stuff almost like they
were a new unit. The unit gets new equipment and sometimes that changes the
personality of that unit.

[erazerhead99]

The equipment changes automatically in the way the scenario designer specified it. This might seem strange to players of Paradox Titles or similar games, but it is the standard for more detailed wargames. The reasons for it are A) the ability to focus on moving and attacking with a large number of units and B) historical accuracy - commanders of large forces have historically never been in direct control of the national research and economy because they usually are quite busy actually commanding. Historically feasable, limited options like "use political influence to shift focus from project x to project y" are possible in the engine. I would have liked some improvements in the UI here though, like the ability to use special screens with customizable layout and a visible political influence "resource" et cetera.

[*Lava*]

ORIGINAL: jnpoint

I don't get it. Scenarios over several years but no tech or production. Do they then fight from 1939 to 1945 with weapons produced in '39?

No, of course not.

That is what the Inventory and Replacements editor (to create scenarios) is for.



As you can see you can start production of a certain piece of equipment on a turn number and also it's end. Please note, the photo is not the editor itself, shows you when playing a game when new equipment will start arriving.

Thus, if you want to phase out Pzr I production completely, you set an end date. If you want to begin a Pzr IIIJ to replace them, you set a start date.

This requires that for each of your Panzer Divisions you have assigned it Pzr IIIJ's but they start the game with 0. Once the production turn number arrives, tanks will slowly filter out to your divisions based on how many are produced each turn and other factors. Destroyed Pzr I's will not be replaced.

So as Larry said, it depends on the Scenario Designer on just how accurately he wants the TO&E to be.

[larryfulkerson]

Has anybody else noticed that this thread ( Monster Scenarios ) has more hits than anyother thread.
There must be quite an interest in the big ones. World at War 1939-1945 is the largest that I know of.
It's a Thomas Harvey product and one of the best in my opinion. But if you don't want something THAT big
there's FITE2 by the FITE team and the playtesting has been ongoing for quite a while now.
Fogger is playing Loveman and there are on turn 176 last time I checked.

[Spectre195]

Anyone try out or know about the monster Great War scenario? I'm a filthy heathen who prefers WW1 to WW2 and was curious is that is worth checking out. First time in the TOAW and probably where I would head for my first "Monster" Scenario.

[Anonymous]

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[larryfulkerson]

I went to Rugged Design ( web site ) and found Great War 1914-1918 and downloaded it and attached it here below.
You will probably have to "fix" it by saving the scenario in your editor. That will bring it up to date because
it's in COW format right now. Enjoy.