Is This Someone's Sick Joke?

[junk2drive]

JD I noticed the change when they added the Sci-Fi games.

[Yogi the Great]

ORIGINAL: junk2drive

JD I noticed the change when they added the Sci-Fi games.

Well, now that you mentioned it. While I have often joked about real "wargamers" instead of fantasy and/or shooter games, there is a big difference in those who play them. Kind of like when I would attend a gaming convention years ago and see the throngs of D & D or other fantasy game enthusiasts campared to the historical wargamers.

No, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with those games. The convention was the early years of GenCon. These games deserve admiration and respect for their orginality, and ability to interest many. Maybe like Harry Potter brought many to reading, these games brought many to strategy gaming.

What I am trying to say, perhaps badly, is that different types of games attract varied and different types of players of all levels of maturity and society. Like any other types of groups of people, they don't always mix smoothly. But establishing forums that restrict who is there is difficult and perhaps counter-productive I suppose.

Game companies though have economic reasons for attracting all. Perhaps we wargamers even need them in order for the companies to make more of our less then mass market products for we old dried up grognards.

[RangerX3X]

“New breed around” my ass: You gents need to get off of your high horses.

It is this elitist, snobbish, we “oligarchs” are better than you “trailer trash serfs” belief system which seems to permeate this form that turns many away from "your" genre.

You don’t own the forum simply because you post more than others and have been around longer, you don’t have a corner on what is free and acceptable speech, and you certainly do not possess any moral high ground.

Whether someone comes from a Counter Strike background or an Avalon Hill background to a new war game Matrix is offering is completely immaterial: Both of our $69.99 spends the same way. Matrix does not, and should not care. And these buyers will visit the forums.

And as far as this forum – or any – being a family board where one’s wife and daughter can visit without feeling assaulted or violated, well that is simply naïve.

[E]

ORIGINAL: RangerX3X

And as far as this forum – or any – being a family board where one’s wife and daughter can visit without feeling assaulted or violated, well that is simply naïve.

No. It was SOP here, until the type of people who would say the above showed up.

[RangerX3X]

ORIGINAL: E

ORIGINAL: RangerX3X

And as far as this forum – or any – being a family board where one’s wife and daughter can visit without feeling assaulted or violated, well that is simply naïve.

No. It was SOP here, until the type of people who would say the above showed up.

My $ spends the same as yours. Shame you can't do anything about that, isn't it?

[junk2drive]

The shame is you feeling the need to be rude and inappropriate to make a point.

[Toby42]

ORIGINAL: junk2drive

The shame is you feeling the need to be rude and inappropriate to make a point.

Plus he has a "Potty" mouth mentality!

[Phatguy]

ORIGINAL: RangerX3X

“New breed around” my ass: You gents need to get off of your high horses.

It is this elitist, snobbish, we “oligarchs” are better than you “trailer trash serfs” belief system which seems to permeate this form that turns many away from "your" genre.

You don’t own the forum simply because you post more than others and have been around longer, you don’t have a corner on what is free and acceptable speech, and you certainly do not possess any moral high ground.

Whether someone comes from a Counter Strike background or an Avalon Hill background to a new war game Matrix is offering is completely immaterial: Both of our $69.99 spends the same way. Matrix does not, and should not care. And these buyers will visit the forums.

And as far as this forum – or any – being a family board where one’s wife and daughter can visit without feeling assaulted or violated, well that is simply naïve.

Why is it naive?

[Toby42]

Ranger Dude came on here with an Attitude first. If you have a problem with Matrix take it through channels first. No need to go public unless it can't be resolved. Which with Matrix that would be pretty unlikely. The title of his post is pretty "Sick"!!!

[Greybriar]

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[ilovestrategy]

ORIGINAL: RangerX3X



Wow dude, you really have a raging hard-on for me don't you? Just give it up already and chill out yourself.

There is really no need to use a vulgar expression like that.

[warspite1]

Whilst I personally think the way RangerX3X has decided to vent his feelings on this thread is not ideal, I must say I am really surprised at the comment that the tone and behaviour on these forums has gone downhill because of non-wargamers coming in who may have different levels of maturity etc.

Surely - and this is my experience - wargamers are no different from any other cross section of society. Since I have been a "regular" lurker, gamer and poster here during the last three years I have come across most of the wargame characters that inhabit these forums. And guess what? there are a lot of good guys, people you know you would like if you met them; there are people you respect (if not necessarily agree with) who put their case across in a courteous way. But there are also some (thankfully small number) of frankly downright rude and/or argumentative people and who definitely appear in the wargamer category.

I think its wrong to say that any particular group is necessarily better than others - that is elitest - we should take as we find.

My 2 cents.

[ilovestrategy]

Oh, I could not agree more Warspite. I've gotten flamed and insulted over the years for liking certain wargames, INCLUDING Matrix titles. I've had my intelligence insulted in this forum for liking certain movies. A few years ago someone here insulted me for liking Harry Potter. I had a thread closed about favorite movie scenes because it degenerated into politics.

I stay here because I love the game selection and I can usually get an answer regarding history but this forum also has a regular bunch of elitist snobs that are just as insulting as any Xbox Live first person shooter fan base. The only difference is that profanity isn't allowed here and bigger words are used here.

[Yogi the Great]

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

The only difference is that profanity isn't allowed here and bigger words are used here.

Well I think the forum and all of you are really supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!

[Yogi the Great]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

I think its wrong to say that any particular group is necessarily better than others - that is elitest - we should take as we find.

warspite1
Matrix Elite Guard

Ironic isn't it. [;)]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Yogi the Great

ORIGINAL: warspite1

I think its wrong to say that any particular group is necessarily better than others - that is elitest - we should take as we find.

warspite1
Matrix Elite Guard

Ironic isn't it. [;)]

Warspite1

[;)] - Yes you're right, that should be Matrix Elitest Guard [:D]

[Lützow]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Whilst I personally think the way RangerX3X has decided to vent his feelings on this thread is not ideal, I must say I am really surprised at the comment that the tone and behaviour on these forums has gone downhill because of non-wargamers coming in who may have different levels of maturity etc.

Has nothing to do with non-wargamers coming in, but is simply a matter of personality and education. Venting in a rude tone or responding similar when feeling provoked, shows a lack of self-control and is considered as non-professional behaviour. I don't have to agree with somebody in order to deal with him and can express my disaprovement in a rather distinguished way though. Vulgarity, however, always sheds a bad light, regardless if one is right or wrong in his opinion.

[mjk428]

ORIGINAL: Lützow

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Whilst I personally think the way RangerX3X has decided to vent his feelings on this thread is not ideal, I must say I am really surprised at the comment that the tone and behaviour on these forums has gone downhill because of non-wargamers coming in who may have different levels of maturity etc.

Has nothing to do with non-wargamers coming in, but is simply a matter of personality and education. Venting in a rude tone or responding similar when feeling provoked, shows a lack of self-control and is considered as non-professional behaviour. I don't have to agree with somebody in order to deal with him and can express my disaprovement in a rather distinguished way though. Vulgarity, however, always sheds a bad light, regardless if one is right or wrong in his opinion.

While I agree regarding vulgarity, Ranger has no obligation to behave professionally. He's a customer who had a legit gripe. He's responded courteously to the Matrix reps. He's clearly not going to back down over pot shots from the peanut gallery. It's the self-appointed moderators that have kept this thread boiling.

Frankly, "apathetic lurker" needs to live up to his moniker in this thread for it to drop off the front page.

[ilovestrategy]

ORIGINAL: Yogi the Great

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

The only difference is that profanity isn't allowed here and bigger words are used here.

Well I think the forum and all of you are really supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!

Curse you! Now I have that song in my head! [:D]

[Phatguy]

ORIGINAL: mjk428

ORIGINAL: Lützow

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Whilst I personally think the way RangerX3X has decided to vent his feelings on this thread is not ideal, I must say I am really surprised at the comment that the tone and behaviour on these forums has gone downhill because of non-wargamers coming in who may have different levels of maturity etc.

Has nothing to do with non-wargamers coming in, but is simply a matter of personality and education. Venting in a rude tone or responding similar when feeling provoked, shows a lack of self-control and is considered as non-professional behaviour. I don't have to agree with somebody in order to deal with him and can express my disaprovement in a rather distinguished way though. Vulgarity, however, always sheds a bad light, regardless if one is right or wrong in his opinion.

While I agree regarding vulgarity, Ranger has no obligation to behave professionally. He's a customer who had a legit gripe. He's responded courteously to the Matrix reps. He's clearly not going to back down over pot shots from the peanut gallery. It's the self-appointed moderators that have kept this thread boiling.

Frankly, "apathetic lurker" needs to live up to his moniker in this thread for it to drop off the front page.

Why? I'm not allowed to show my disapproval? And am I the only one writing in this thread ?