OT?: Pete Rose Admits to Betting On His Own Team

[Fredk]

Totally agree with you - I think the biggest loser in this whole equation is not the fan base, but the players who are concerned enough about the health effects of these substances not to go the 'extra mile'.

ORIGINAL: James Ward

ORIGINAL: Fredk

I got the impression it has been pretty widely acknowledged that the majority of players were popping "greenies" (apparently the slang for amphetamine pills) throughout the 60s and 70s up to the current day...am I wrong there?

I don't think you are wrong there.

My point is that if it was so well known among the players and they keep quite, maybe it's not as big a thing as we are making it out to be? After all it's their records that are being broken and their jobs that are being lost.

[robpost3]

I disagree with drugs+1970's=widespread use among players...I think alot of the "older methods" were still used...Caffeine and chewing tobacco...gob of tabac can, given the right persons chemistry; wake up the "dead" and have ya playin all day...add coffee and there is natures "speed-ball"...I am sure the scription sold subculture was becoming more common but I think caff and nic were the widespread hardcore "jumpers" of the sports genre...Anabolic Steriods are compunds isolated after long and intense lab research for specific reasons, the fact that players got an edge are a by product of and a clear and present sign that something fundemental is morally wrong, like LSD outside of dentistry...or the occasional "flat" can of reddi whip you found at the grocery shop...

[Charles2222]

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ORIGINAL: Charles_22

ORIGINAL: Knuckles_85


ok go down to Walgreens and pick up a couple bottles of anabolic steroids and let's see how legal it is without a perscription

The fact that you can get it as a prescription shows it's legal. It's just a matter of convincing a doctor to go along. It's just that getting it as a prescription makes it a little more difficult to obtain. A really illegal drug would not be available by prescription at all. Despite what the law might technically say about it, if I can get something from a doctor it isn't illegal, at least as long as I get it through him, or if I were a pro athlete that I got it from a trainer who got it from a doctor. If you are getting a drug from some punk on the corner, that a clue it's might be illegal, though such a punk selling steroids, if in fact they do, doesn't automatically discount the fact that said drug may be legal. There are a number of drugs purchased by such means simply because some people are trying to cheat the system and are trying to get higher dosages than the doctor allows.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that steroids aren't fully illegal, and since a good number of the dopers are said to get these through doctors themselves, prescription or not, people often think that they are not illegal at all. In my view they're only partially illegal, whereas I think it is inaccurate to call them either legal or illegal. They're partially legal, or partially illegal; take your pick.

This is what I am referring to. Just because one can get a legal prescription for something, doesnt then mean if you use it illegally it is ok cause, cause well IF you did have a prescription....

Illegally obtaining or illegally using drugs, whether they are legally obtainable is not "partially legal" Like I said does this mean this guy thinks its ok to buy alcohol ( which may be legal for him to do) and then give it to minors? Is that "partially" legal?

I don't see what the problem is in recognizing what I was saying. The only way it is totally illegal is if you can't buy it from doctors or grow it yourself whatever the ingredients are. Buying it from a doctor, hopefully following what the law allows him to prescribe, certainly attaches a form of it's being legal, just not totally legal where you could otherwise buy from anybody at any quantity. Take murder for example. I can't go to some authoritive figure and get one murder permissable, because it is totally illegal. The doctor being able to prescribe the substance makes it legal under those auspices, therefore the substance "itself" isn't totally illegal or you would have no legal recourse to it. I hope that makes it clearer.