OT?: Pete Rose Admits to Betting On His Own Team

[KG Erwin]

See this story: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6570 ... HCP>1=9232

In all honesty, I have a real problem with this. Having a gambling addiction is one thing, but even betting on your own team implies that an outsider COULD influence the game.

Do you keep in a faltering starter even if you're winning, and possibly take the risk of injury to that player, just because you have money riding on your team's performance?

I frankly don't care for Pete's spin -- "Because I loved my team." I admired him as a player, but this is too much. No amount of wiggling and spinning, at this point, is gonna help his cause, IMHO.

To my mind, the man's integrity is in the dumpster in perpetuity. It's sad, but I hold the perhaps old-fashioned view that the integrity of the game is more important than forgiving the damage done by any individual player, regardless of his accomplishments.

Does anyone disagree?

[sven]

Well "everyone lies about gambling!"......
 
but I digress, frankly when the Red Machine was in swing there were two kinds of fans in my circle....
 
Rose or Bench.....
 
I was a Bench fan....

[Terl]

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

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Does anyone disagree?

Not me. It seems as the years go by more and more comes out. It is a shame such a talented player went out the way he did, but, sadly, that is the way it is. He earned his way into the hall and by his own actions kept himself out of the hall. Sad, sad, sad...but, for me, he should never be admitted.

[Hertston]

Can't see the problem in betting on your own team to win; it's betting on the other team that would worry me.

I don't see

Do you keep in a faltering starter even if you're winning, and possibly take the risk of injury to that player, just because you have money riding on your team's performance?

as any sort of argument as it would make no practical difference (it wasn't one huge bet, it was every game). Professional sports coaches always have money, and their jobs, riding on their teams performance.

Does anyone disagree?

Yup. As the guy got a life ban nearly twenty years ago worrying about his 'integrity' now seems rather pointless. The guy made a mistake, but plenty of people make much worse ones that are forgiven and forgotten a lot sooner.

[SMK-at-work]

IMO players, coaches and official should be REQUIRED to bet on their own teams - it's only those that bet against their teams that are a problem!

[KG Erwin]

ORIGINAL: SMK-at-work

IMO players, coaches and official should be REQUIRED to bet on their own teams - it's only those that bet against their teams that are a problem!

Here in America, we try to maintain the appearance of fair-played sporting events, even when it's obviously false. Puritanism, with all its blatant hypocrisy, still reigns here. [8|]

The above is a social statement, NOT a political one.

[sven]

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin



The above is a social statement, NOT a political one.

it HAS to be given your blue eyed....never mind.....

Rose should be in the hall and he should be excoricated for his managerial mishaps....

like I said I liked Bench....

Hard work, quiet, composed....

Rose was like a guy who gives you 150% hustle on the job but doubles the likelihood of adverse blowback.....

good to have?

Yeah

a headache and needed watched like a hawk absolutely....

[robpost3]

The guys nick was "Charlie Hustle", I'll bet ya(pun intended)that a whole heck of alot of players from all eras bet they just didnt get caught like Petey...this is sports right...I am talkin from Cosell to Catfish to Ruth and Ralph Kiner...Drikin, smokin, cussin, fightin cmon, Ed Holtzmann of the Yanks was half in the bag on a "good night", let alone Jackson and Martin threatening each othres lives daily in the dugout...TV pours it out every pregame show in every sport...odds..over/unders...who is gonna win...the nature of sports is a gamble...I am more interested in why "Pete", who did he P.O.
I am not completly saying everyone, there are still some "for the love of the game" players but I dunno...look at the NBA kinda like a thug Rap Band for the most part...straight shoot--I bet Mr. Pete Rose is weed is sincere that he loved his team and maybe bet with his heart--bottom line give em the hall with a *....just like Braggy Bondo,MercK MgGuire cause if ya put those doppers in well, the halls sanctity is kept in the janitors closet...

[KG Erwin]

That's the one thing that haunts me -- Pete is a classic "for the love of the game" type of guy. Nevertheless, he screwed up, and it has taken him years to admit his screwups.

Nevertheless, I would vote hardcore on this, even though it hurts badly. No Hall of Fame, ever.

[sven]

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

That's the one thing that haunts me -- Pete is a classic "for the love of the game" type of guy. Nevertheless, he screwed up, and it has taken him years to admit his screwups.

Nevertheless, I would vote hardcore on this, even though it hurts badly. No Hall of Fame, ever.

what Rose did was no less an affront to the game than what Sosa, McGwire, and others have done....

when you have "human" versus "enhanced human" the game is just as atwitter as it would be so long as Rose bet on his own team to win only.....

that said I am no fan of his deeds, but to hold him to a higher ethical and moral standard than we have demanded of certain people who suborned perjury as regards a civil suit while being the top law enforcer of the land is what strikes me as a far ranker hypocrisy than any misdeeds "the boys of summer" may have engaged in.

Pete Rose is not beneath the American people Pete Rose was likely acting as a sort of canary in the mine regaring the moral base of the american people which is to say that it is not that our ideals and "puritanical values" are not worthy or laudable it is that we and the players have collectively fallen below the standards of honor the Hall should embody....

that being the case why not let him in?

Maybe we can disbar him for five years as a slap on the wrist???

No wait he has already 'served" longer than that no?

[Zap]

Will Sosa, Mcgwire, Bonds, ever be proven. Thats the problem Rose was caught they have squirmed away so far. I would definitely wipe out all their home run records.

[robpost3]

I would definitely wipe out all their home run records.

Agreed...

[anarchyintheuk]

There wasn't any rule against steroids, hgh, etc. when McGwire et al were using them. There was a rule against betting on baseball when Rose was managing.

I wouldn't let him in the hall ever. He voluntarily signed a document divorcing himself from baseball. Don't sign what you don't mean. Fork him.

Ray Fosse's revenge is dish best served cold.


Edited to add gratuitous comment.

[Twotribes]

As long as he bet on his own team to win AND wasnt betting on over under score, I think 20 years is enough.

[Terl]

This morning I saw some old clips on the news of Rose playing and it made me sad knowing he cannot be in the Hall of Fame as it stands now.  But, sad as that is, I also realize he did this to himself.  The rules against betting did not have qualifiers about who he bet on or whether he bet over/under score.  He broke the rules and he is paying a stiff price right now.  He has made it clear as to how much he desires to be in the Hall and one has to wonder if his recent comments are genuine or are just constructed to possibly allow him back.  Rules are rules.  It sucks that he isn't there but he can only blame himself.

I just wish baseball had established firmer rules against steroids earlier because the whole Bonds thing chafes at me.  Hank Aaron was and is a class act and I hate to see Bonds possibly pass him. But, as anarchyintheuk said...no rules were broken at the time.

[Mark Carver]

ORIGINAL: SMK-at-work

IMO players, coaches and official should be REQUIRED to bet on their own teams - it's only those that bet against their teams that are a problem!

There's plenty to go wrong when a manager does bet on his team to win. What if it's a close game and the starter is still in after having thrown 110 pitches. If the manager doesn't have faith in his bullpen. He could leave the starter in longer than he should have and possibly injure the pitcher or effect his next start because he has money riding on the game.

Players, managers or coaches betting on games, should be banned for life from baseball...

[KG Erwin]

ORIGINAL: Mark Carver


... What if it's a close game and the starter is still in after having thrown 110 pitches. If the manager doesn't have faith in his bullpen. He could leave the starter in longer than he should have and possibly injure the pitcher or effect his next start because he has money riding on the game.

Players, managers or coaches betting on games, should be banned for life from baseball...

Yes, Mark, I was thinking the same thing on the potential risk to a pitcher in that situation.

[James Ward]

I think ALL the managers should be required to bet on their team to win! [:)]

[SMK-at-work]

ORIGINAL: Mark Carver

ORIGINAL: SMK-at-work

IMO players, coaches and official should be REQUIRED to bet on their own teams - it's only those that bet against their teams that are a problem!

There's plenty to go wrong when a manager does bet on his team to win. What if it's a close game and the starter is still in after having thrown 110 pitches. If the manager doesn't have faith in his bullpen. He could leave the starter in longer than he should have and possibly injure the pitcher or effect his next start because he has money riding on the game.

I dont' see your point - any athlete stands a chance of injury in any game, and if he's required to bet on his own team then it is not in his interest to win this game only to throw the next one.

Players, managers or coaches betting on games, should be banned for life from baseball...

You forgot "IMO"[:'(]

[mjk428]

Rose should get the chance to be in the HOF 75 years after Shoeless Joe gets in.