Unit's Home State

[tiredoftryingnames]

I read in the manual that a governor suffers a hit to his attitude if a brigade from his state is wiped out. Legendary units in their description tell you where the unit is from, but where can you see what state a unit is from for those regular units. Units I create I can name them to tell their home state. But what about the units that start on the map? Is there a way? I figure it must be tracked but I haven't found where to see it.

[Drex]

Was a brigade always from a particular state or was it made up of regiments of particular states,i.e., 36th Wisconsin Infantry. Can a brigade could hold regiments from differing states?

[chris0827]

ORIGINAL: Drex

Was a brigade always from a particular state or was it made up of regiments of particular states,i.e., 36th Wisconsin Infantry. Can a brigade could hold regiments from differing states?

Both sides tried to assign troops from the same state to brigades but it was not always possible and many brigades were mixed.

[Moltke71]

ORIGINAL: chris0827

ORIGINAL: Drex

Was a brigade always from a particular state or was it made up of regiments of particular states,i.e., 36th Wisconsin Infantry. Can a brigade could hold regiments from differing states?

Both sides tried to assign troops from the same state to brigades but it was not always possible and many brigades were mixed.

E.G The Iron Brigade had Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan and Illinois regts.

[Twotribes]

In game terms though, a Brigade will be made up solely from the State it was created in. And replacements wont effect that status. The question being, assuming we take the time to name new Brigades, how do we know what the starting Brigades home States are? If any.

[Drex]

Well I would expect the brigades to be named in the historical scenario. It would be great when a brigade is formed in any state that a list drops down of all the historical brigades of that state and you could choose your name. When you ran out it would go to numbers.Probably a whole lot of work though.

[chris0827]

ORIGINAL: Bismarck

ORIGINAL: chris0827

ORIGINAL: Drex

Was a brigade always from a particular state or was it made up of regiments of particular states,i.e., 36th Wisconsin Infantry. Can a brigade could hold regiments from differing states?

Both sides tried to assign troops from the same state to brigades but it was not always possible and many brigades were mixed.

E.G The Iron Brigade had Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan and Illinois regts.

Wisconsin, Indiana, and Michigan actually, and a New York sharpshooter battalion was added in the fall of 1863.

[Drex]

My great-great grandfather on my mother's side was a private in the 36th Wisconsin.

[tiredoftryingnames]

I know that historically brigades were mixed on occasion and the writeup for some legandary units state their regiments were from different states. But in game terms the brigades are state specific. What I'm asking is if the game penalizes a governor's attitude when a brigade is lost then the game must track what state it's from even the ones that are in the scenario from the start. I thought I must have been missing it but obviously this isn't listed as no one has pointed out where the data is displayed. So maybe it should go on the wish list instead.

[ericbabe]

I hadn't noticed that that was still in the governor rules -- tying brigades to states was a feature that we had planned as they were written but did not add.  Please disregard the rules on page 230 that reference home-states of brigades (attitude adjustments for unmet brigade supply and for destroyed brigades).  I'll mention these in the errata.  Sorry for the mistake.

[christof139]

Eventually, the South had most Infantry Brigades composed of Regiments and battalions from the same Stae, while the North only had a few in comparison. Custer's Wolverine Cav. Bde. is a good Northern example.

The South still had Infantry and cavalry Brigades compsed of units from differnt at the end of the war, and up into 1862 in the East and 1863 in the West this was common and normal in the main Southern Armies.

Chris

[Twotribes]

ORIGINAL: ericbabe

I hadn't noticed that that was still in the governor rules -- tying brigades to states was a feature that we had planned as they were written but did not add. Please disregard the rules on page 230 that reference home-states of brigades (attitude adjustments for unmet brigade supply and for destroyed brigades). I'll mention these in the errata. Sorry for the mistake.

In the file for game constants the line is still there that says a Governor loses 5 ( I think it was 5) for every home brigade destroyed.

[GenGrunt]

I believe that the CSA had a law that brigades were to be comprised of regiments all from the same state but the law wasn't passed until 1862 and compliance was not 100%

[christof139]

I believe that the CSA had a law that brigades were to be comprised of regiments all from the same state but the law wasn't passed until 1862 and compliance was not 100%

Never read nor heard that it was a 'law', only an SOP due to written or unwritten doctrine and thought.

Chris

[christof139]

E.G The Iron Brigade had Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan and Illinois regts.


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Jim Cobb

No Iowa units in any of yhe Iron Brigades. There was also a Union Eastern Iron Brigade, the original Iron Brigade, composed of NY troops. I believe this was Phelp's Bde. of Doubleday's 1st Div. I Corps at South Mountain and Antietam, and Cutler's Bde., the 2nd Bde. of the ist Div. I Corps at Gettysburg. The Western Iron Bde. was the 1st bde./1st Div./I Corps at Gettysburg.

There was also a CSA Iron Bde., and that was 'Jo' Shelby's Missouri Iron Brigade of Cavalry in the Trans Miss. Theater. They were pretty darn good.

I believe the AotP also had a Brigade composed of all Indiana Regiments later in the war.


Chris

[christof139]

My great-great grandfather on my mother's side was a private in the 36th Wisconsin.

A good site for you if you haven't been there already:

http://www.secondwi.com/wisconsinregime ... iments.htm

Chris

[christof139]

http://www.secondwi.com/ironbrigade/iron_brigade_of_the_west_gettysb.htm
 
http://www.ironbrigade.net/Composition.htm
 
http://www.ironbrigade.net/more.htm
 
http://militaryhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/general_shelby_in_mexico_1865
 
http://users.civilwarpoetry.org/union/soldierlife/iron-exp.html

Phelp's original NY Iron Brigade
In April, 1862, the First Brigade, First Division, First Army Corps was the first unit to be designated the "Iron Brigade." (The same name would later be given to the Second Brigade, IOTW the Western Iron Brigade.) This original Iron Brigade consisted of the 2nd U.S. Sharpshooters, the 22nd, 24th, and 30th New York Volunteer Infantry, and the 14th Brooklyn. In February, 1901, the Brooklyn Daily Eagle printed this poem, written by a former member of Company A, 30th New York.
Phelp's Brigade I do believe became the 2nd Brigade, 1st Div./I Corps by the time of Gettysburg and I think was then commnded by Cutler.

Plus, there was another Infantry unit, CSA or USA I don't know, that was named the Iron Brigade, in addition to the 2 aformentioned Inf. Bdes. here and Shelby's MO Cav. Bde.
 
Chris
 

[christof139]

See 3rd paragraph ***** below:
http://civilwarhome.com/iron.htm
FOX'S REGIMENTAL LOSSES
CHAPTER IX
FAMOUS DIVISIONS AND BRIGADES
IRON BRIGADE
        Equally good fighting was done by the famous "Iron Brigade of
the West," First Division, First Corps. Its record is, also, a heroic
one.
  Killed or
Died of
Wounds
2nd Wisconsin Infantry 238
6th Wisconsin Infantry 244
7th Wisconsin Infantry 281
19th Indiana Infantry 179
24th Michigan Infantry 189
Total (during the war) 1,131
        In proportion to its numbers this brigade sustained the
heaviest loss of any in the war. The brigade proper contained only the
five regiments mentioned; and, yet, its aggregate of losses is
exceeded in only one instance. At Manassas, under command of General
Gibbon, the first four regiments named lost 148 killed, 626 wounded,
and 120 missing; total, 894, out of about 2,000 engaged. At
Gettysburg, General Meredith commanding, the five regiments were
engaged, losing 162 killed, 724 wounded, and 267 missing; a total of
1,153 casualties, out of 1,883 engaged, or 61 per cent. Most of the
missing at Gettysburg were killed or wounded. The Iron Brigade was
also hotly engaged at South Mountain, Antietam, The Wilderness and
Spotsylvania. It was organized in August, 1861, at which time it was
composed of the three Wisconsin regiments and the Nineteenth Indiana.
In October, 1862, the Twenty-fourth Michigan was added. The Second
Wisconsin and Nineteenth Indiana did not reenlist, and so were
mustered out, respectively, in June and August, 1864. During the
Wilderness campaign the Seventh Indiana was attached to the brigade,
but it was mustered out in August. The First New York Sharpshooters'
Battalion was also attached to the brigade at one time, joining it in
the fall of 1863. In February, 1865, the brigade was broken up, the
Twenty-fourth Michigan having been ordered to Baltimore. The Sixth and
Seventh Regiments remained in the First Brigade, Third Division
(Crawford's), Fifth Corps, while the Sharpshooters' Battalion was
assigned elsewhere. General John Gibbon commanded the Iron Brigade at
Manassas, South Mountain, and Antietam; General Meredith, at
Gettysburg; and General Cutler at the Wilderness. Cutler was succeeded
in 1864, by General Edward S. Bragg,-- formerly Colonel of the Sixth
Wisconsin -- an officer of marked ability and an intrepid soldier.
        *****There was another organization, in the Army of the
Potomac, known as the Iron Brigade, and it was in the same division
with the "Iron Brigade of the West." It was composed of the Second
United States Sharpshooters, the Twenty-second, Twenty-fourth,
Thirtieth, and Eighty-fourth New York, forming Hatch's (1st) Brigade,
First Division, First Corps. But the Twenty-second, Twenty-fourth, and
Thirtieth New York were two years regiments, and were mustered out in
May, 1863, thereby breaking up the organization. The Eighty-fourth New
York (14th Brooklyn) was an exceptionally fine regiment, while the
other regiments in the brigade made a reputation, also, as efficient
commands. It seems strange that two brigades in the same division
should adopt like synonyms; but, in justice to Hatch's Brigade, it
should be stated that it was the original Iron Brigade, and that
Gibbon's Brigade was not known by that title until after Antietam, at
which time it was so designated by a war correspondent, who was
apparently unaware of his lack of originality.
This Page last updated 01/26/02
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Chris
 
 

[christof139]

FAMOUS DIVISIONS AND BRIGADES PAGE
 
http://civilwarhome.com/chapt9.htm
 
Chris
 

[General Quarters]

Christof, that Suite 101 article you posted above, about General J. O. Shelby, was fascinating. What a story! Thanks.