How to deal with surrounded armies

[Taglia]

Hi all
In my game against the AI (I'm Allied) I've managed to retake Mytiknhna and to conquer Chengting (or what the hell the speelling is [:D] ).

• Mytiknhna: I've kicked out japanese forces with horrendous losses, they retreated and then came back again in the base hex only to take more losses and be cut out from thier supplies (they're not fully surrounded but the "free" hexes are facing toward british territory and are jungle so I doubt they re getting many supplies.
• Chengting: I have 200K of troops in it, I've taken it and I've surrounded all the japs in the base hex. They are 150K troops, most of them are in bad shape (they got encircled before, I was smashing them, then AI relieved the siege with other units and finally they all got surrounded again[;)])

In both cases I'm pounding enemies with planes ("Ground Attack"). But I cannot make them surrender... I've tried both deliberate and shock attacks but I always get bad results. What's the best way to get rid of them? Or do I have to leave a garrison and move on until they get wiped out by lack of supply?

[treespider]

It will take several weeks to kill them off...sometimes less.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: treespider

It will take several weeks to kill them off...sometimes less.

right - best tactic seems to be to bomb them or bombard them for a while, then deliberate attack, rinse, repeat...

[Taglia]

But how? Bombardment Attack and then some Deliberate Attack? Or Shock Attacks? In Chengting I always get 3:1 or more attack odds, for example. I have nearly 5K AV worth, and japanese are on 1 - 1.5K 

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Taglia

But how? Bombardment Attack and then some Deliberate Attack? Or Shock Attacks? In Chengting I always get 3:1 or more attack odds, for example. I have nearly 5K AV worth, and japanese are on 1 - 1.5K

see above - 1. hit them with aircraft (or ships if on a coast)
2. bomb/bombard them several days in a row
3. deliberate attack
4. IF <enemy not eliminated> THEN go to step 1...

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: Taglia

But how? Bombardment Attack and then some Deliberate Attack? Or Shock Attacks? In Chengting I always get 3:1 or more attack odds, for example. I have nearly 5K AV worth, and japanese are on 1 - 1.5K 

Just deliberate attack....note the raw AV over a period of time. You should see the enemy drop whereas yours will remain relatively unchanged. Reason - every casualty you inflict on him likely isn't coming back - whereas with yours it will becasue you have supply...

Day 1 Bombard with everyone
Day 2 Bombard with just Artillery units
Day 3 Deliberate attack
Day 4 Bombard with Artillery units

Wash rinse repeat.... unless you notice that your DIS didn't climb too high after the deliberate attack.

[Q-Ball]

General question on Bombardment attacks: I haven't used them much, because they don't seem to kill alot of the enemy, but they do train the other guy's troops. I have certainly seen poor troops become 80 exp ones by just being on the receiving end of bombardments for awhile. Is the Bombardment attack even worth it?

[Taglia]

Ok I'll try out. But now I have to regain strenght from my last Shock Attack I've did because of frustration&nbsp;[:@] and that brought me some bad losses&nbsp;[8|]&nbsp;[:)]

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: treespider

ORIGINAL: Taglia

But how? Bombardment Attack and then some Deliberate Attack? Or Shock Attacks? In Chengting I always get 3:1 or more attack odds, for example. I have nearly 5K AV worth, and japanese are on 1 - 1.5K 

Just deliberate attack....note the raw AV over a period of time. You should see the enemy drop whereas yours will remain relatively unchanged. Reason - every casualty you inflict on him likely isn't coming back - whereas with yours it will becasue you have supply...

Day 1 Bombard with everyone
Day 2 Bombard with just Artillery units
Day 3 Deliberate attack
Day 4 Bombard with Artillery units

Wash rinse repeat.... unless you notice that your DIS didn't climb too high after the deliberate attack.

The Day 1 Bombardment will cause your supply required to jump to x2 and the unit will be filled with supply. The day 2 "rest everyone but Artillery" will leave the supply acquired in Day 1 in the unit but drop their required supply to x1. Then the attack will be launched on day 3 and will use the elevated supply that is in the unit. In addition the three days of non-attacks between Deliberate Attacks is usually sufficient to get the Disruption below 20.

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

General question on Bombardment attacks: I haven't used them much, because they don't seem to kill alot of the enemy, but they do train the other guy's troops. I have certainly seen poor troops become 80 exp ones by just being on the receiving end of bombardments for awhile. Is the Bombardment attack even worth it?

The bombardment should increase the other guys Disruption which will affect his modified AV.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

General question on Bombardment attacks: I haven't used them much, because they don't seem to kill alot of the enemy, but they do train the other guy's troops. I have certainly seen poor troops become 80 exp ones by just being on the receiving end of bombardments for awhile. Is the Bombardment attack even worth it?

Debatable - i'd say no... bombardment will cause the BOMBARDERS troops to increase in disruption as well the units being hit. i would avoid them unless you have pure artillery units there, in which case just use them...

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Taglia

But how? Bombardment Attack and then some Deliberate Attack? Or Shock Attacks? In Chengting I always get 3:1 or more attack odds, for example. I have nearly 5K AV worth, and japanese are on 1 - 1.5K

see above - 1. hit them with aircraft (or ships if on a coast)
2. bomb/bombard them several days in a row
3. deliberate attack
4. IF <enemy not eliminated> THEN go to step 1...

apparently i'm on somebody's block list...

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Taglia

But how? Bombardment Attack and then some Deliberate Attack? Or Shock Attacks? In Chengting I always get 3:1 or more attack odds, for example. I have nearly 5K AV worth, and japanese are on 1 - 1.5K

see above - 1. hit them with aircraft (or ships if on a coast)
2. bomb/bombard them several days in a row
3. deliberate attack
4. IF <enemy not eliminated> THEN go to step 1...

apparently i'm on somebody's block list...

Or I type slow...

[Taglia]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
apparently i'm on somebody's block list...

Or just look at the post's timestamps [:D]

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Taglia

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
apparently i'm on somebody's block list...

Or just look at the post's timestamps [:D]

oh good - i was trying to figure out what i had done to get on someone's block list... (whew...) [:)]

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

General question on Bombardment attacks: I haven't used them much, because they don't seem to kill alot of the enemy, but they do train the other guy's troops. I have certainly seen poor troops become 80 exp ones by just being on the receiving end of bombardments for awhile. Is the Bombardment attack even worth it?

Debatable - i'd say no... bombardment will cause the BOMBARDERS troops to increase in disruption as well the units being hit. i would avoid them unless you have pure artillery units there, in which case just use them...

BTW - some people use other tactics to try to get around the problem - they will have some units bombard while other units rest up for an attack... swap the bombarders for attackers after a deliberate attack, or otherwise rotate bombarding units.

It sort of helps to think of "bombardment attacks" more as "probing attacks" in most circumstances (except when pure artillery units are doing all the bombardments.)

[pauk]

IIRC max training level for bombardment troops is 69 ... or it was 59?

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: pauk

IIRC max training level for bombardment troops is 69 ... or it was 59?

i think the later... but maybe that was from just being bombed from the air??? [&:]

[pauk]

my experience is that defender benefit only from ground bombardment to the 59? level.

didn't noticed that units bombarded from the air (even AA units or base forces) gain any experience...

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: pauk

my experience is that defender benefit only from ground bombardment to the 59? level.

didn't noticed that units bombarded from the air (even AA units or base forces) gain any experience...

Been i while since my last game, but you are probably right... i'll have to check carefully in my lastest 1.804 game that just started.