LCU CONUS land move problems:RHSCVO

[m10bob]

Playing RHSCVO (latest version for test,6.669) and on 020442 I tried to move the Americal division from Salt Lake City to Frisco and it locked up. I know several others have also had problems trying to move LCU's within CONUS..Any workaround??

[m10bob]

Sid, until the CONUS land movement bug has been rooted out, why have the Americal show up in Salt Lake City at all?
While it was made up of 3 seperate National Guard regiments, it was not activated till May 24, 1942 at New Caledonia.
Other Divisions show up together on West US coast cities because they had already been formed, but the Americal was a different animal, and in fact some of their components were already overseas.
With other Allied units appearing in theatre, I certainly do not find this historic appearance on New Caledonia to be "gamey" whatsoever, and would for now anyway, disallow such a large unit from the land movement problems experienced in CONUS at present.
Further, ANY LCU's coming in there need to appear on a coastal or otherwise ship-capable hex to avoid that issue.

If not arrive in New Caledonia, even Panama is suitable:

Task Force 6814
1942
TASK Force 6814 was activated at the New York Port of Embarkation on January 14, 1942. Under the command of then Brigadier General Alexander M. Patch, the Task Force sailed for the Pacific Theater via the Panama Canal. On March 12, the convoy and naval escort arrived in the harbor of Noumea, New Caledonia and the troops debarked. The mission of the Task Force was to hold New Caledonia against enemy attack.

On April 19, the 164th Infantry Regiment from the Infantry Division arrived in New Caledonia to reinforce the 132nd and 182nd Infantry Regiments of Task Force 6812. Additional field artillery units also arrived about that time.

Task Force 6814 was reorganized and constituted as the Americal Division on May 24, 1942, to become the only Army division not designated by number. The Americal derived its name from the phrase, "Americans in New Caledonia."

Having carried out its original mission, the Americal left New Caledonia in the fall of 1942, turning over the garrisoning of the island to other immobile units of Task Force 6814 which remained there under the island command.

The 164th Infantry Regiment of the Americal Division went into action on Guadacanal on October 13, 1942, as the first United States Army unit to conduct an offensive operation against the enemy in any theater.

http://www.americal.org/ambook.shtml

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Playing RHSCVO (latest version for test,6.669) and on 020442 I tried to move the Americal division from Salt Lake City to Frisco and it locked up. I know several others have also had problems trying to move LCU's within CONUS..Any workaround??

I am running a test just now. Sounds to me like an incorrect file set in some sense - possibly the wrong pwhex file.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Sid, until the CONUS land movement bug has been rooted out, why have the Americal show up in Salt Lake City at all?
While it was made up of 3 seperate National Guard regiments, it was not activated till May 24, 1942 at New Caledonia.
Other Divisions show up together on West US coast cities because they had already been formed, but the Americal was a different animal, and in fact some of their components were already overseas.
With other Allied units appearing in theatre, I certainly do not find this historic appearance on New Caledonia to be "gamey" whatsoever, and would for now anyway, disallow such a large unit from the land movement problems experienced in CONUS at present.
Further, ANY LCU's coming in there need to appear on a coastal or otherwise ship-capable hex to avoid that issue.

If not arrive in New Caledonia, even Panama is suitable:

Task Force 6814
1942
TASK Force 6814 was activated at the New York Port of Embarkation on January 14, 1942. Under the command of then Brigadier General Alexander M. Patch, the Task Force sailed for the Pacific Theater via the Panama Canal. On March 12, the convoy and naval escort arrived in the harbor of Noumea, New Caledonia and the troops debarked. The mission of the Task Force was to hold New Caledonia against enemy attack.

On April 19, the 164th Infantry Regiment from the Infantry Division arrived in New Caledonia to reinforce the 132nd and 182nd Infantry Regiments of Task Force 6812. Additional field artillery units also arrived about that time.

Task Force 6814 was reorganized and constituted as the Americal Division on May 24, 1942, to become the only Army division not designated by number. The Americal derived its name from the phrase, "Americans in New Caledonia."

Having carried out its original mission, the Americal left New Caledonia in the fall of 1942, turning over the garrisoning of the island to other immobile units of Task Force 6814 which remained there under the island command.

The 164th Infantry Regiment of the Americal Division went into action on Guadacanal on October 13, 1942, as the first United States Army unit to conduct an offensive operation against the enemy in any theater.

http://www.americal.org/ambook.shtml

All this is pretty much impractical. Further, it is based on the assumpition that I (or anyone else) intended things to be where they are.

Consider the size of the location file. There is no way to know (other than a record by record search) what units are appearing where? And the vast majority of these records were never examined by any single individual with respect to that field - ever. We mostly inherit the work of a large body of people at Matrix, CHS and RHS - and there is no very easy way to implement a "simple" workaround as suggested here. Further - it is certain that not all work was done to a consistent set of standards. In RHS we sometimes try to define a standard - and then implement it for all related records - but this has not been done with respect to the matters suggested here.

Americal Division was indeed a strange collection of units - an ad hoc creature - formed as its name implies on New Caledonia. We can fix this one issue by having it appear there - and defaut to San Francisco if Noumea has fallen. But that won't address the question (which I have never seen) of movement problems. The work to move everything from Salt Lake City is far greater than fixing this problem could ever be. And the reason Salt Lake is used is it is an entry hex - not much point in an entry hex you don't use to enter in. In general it allows the transit time to be a factor - and that is a good strategic concept. I regard it as an advantage to the Allied player to have more time with a unit - moving in the direction HIS strategy desires vice the direction of a historical strategy (in a different war situaion) was. That is the answer to why - we move it as far back as possible - in distance and time - and let YOU place it. Panama (or in Level 7 New Orleans) are also possible.

[el cid again]

Looks like no land units appear at Salt Lake City except Americal and the base forces there. So we can change one unit and workaround this problem.

I cannot reproduce the problem of crashing - but for me American refuses to move at all!

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: el cid again

Looks like no land units appear at Salt Lake City except Americal and the base forces there. So we can change one unit and workaround this problem.

I cannot reproduce the problem of crashing - but for me American refuses to move at all!

Right..It does not really "crash", the cursor will still move, but in all other aspects the game is frozen.

Justification for the LCU's not originating in SL City is that of course units were not trooptrained to mid continent and then marched the rest of the way.
If there are land movement problems, (and others have reported them as well, such as trying to march Alaska command units north from Seattle,etc.), going point to point within CONUS, a workaround would be starting them at bases with ship carrying capability.

I was not suggesting you placed LCU's in Salt Lake City with devious intent, of course modders inherit, but with modding, I believe corrections might be made.
With Americal, I provided the exact date they were at both Panama, and also the date at New Caledonia.
Not gamey at all, but historical correctness (which just happens to resolve this Conus movement problem.)

As you know, I have been testing RHS since you started it last year, and this LCU movement problem within CONUS has been an ongoing problem.
I have upgraded every file as released, and with new scenario packs have re-started all.

Not trying to be part of the problem, but part of the fix.

RHSCVO 6.669, against Japanese AI with Cobra's map.

EDIT: As far as poss problem with the Pwhex file, isn't there a hotkey which will show unbroken pathways for road movement??..I do not remember what it is, but that might detect the error??

[el cid again]

R key for "reveal codes" - a peculiar key that ONLY reveals codes IF there is an ADJACENT hex with a communications code - so an isolated code will not display at all! Otherwise useful.

If we know the routing was via Panama - that means we can have the Americal appear sooner - about 10 days after leaving New York - and players then route it as they wish. [Used to sail to Panama out of Norfolk] This way we can have my intent and be correct. Since it didn't route via New Orleans we start it at Colon in all scenarios. This is part of the x.694 microupdate just uploaded.

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: el cid again

R key for "reveal codes" - a peculiar key that ONLY reveals codes IF there is an ADJACENT hex with a communications code - so an isolated code will not display at all! Otherwise useful.

If we know the routing was via Panama - that means we can have the Americal appear sooner - about 10 days after leaving New York - and players then route it as they wish. [Used to sail to Panama out of Norfolk] This way we can have my intent and be correct. Since it didn't route via New Orleans we start it at Colon in all scenarios. This is part of the x.694 microupdate just uploaded.

Excellent news Sid...Thank you..(Gotta restart again, must have all of the major stuff ironed out by now, and thanks for the hotkey!)..

[el cid again]

Note that you need a file not uploaded yesterday - ship class file. Uploaded now. Without it a reference to a German or Thai submarine will crash the game.