Reluctant Canadian Corps

[Happycat]

Say, does anyone know what's up with the Canadian corps that starts in Ottawa in '39? I'm involved in an entertaining game with Irish Dragoon Guards and I notice on turn one that my Cdn XXX was sitting at supply 3. A bit weird, but Ottawa can have that effect on people. But it's now November and the lazy bastards are still at 3, I can't move them by rail, and it will take several turns to drive from Ottawa to Halifax so they can ship out.

Bug or WAD? If WAD, what is this supposed to represent in "real world" terms?

TIA

[Phatguy]

I'm not sure but i do remember that sometime later,1941(?) they were more than happy to hop on a train and go to halifax.Maybe they drank up all that fine Canadian beer in Ottawa?

[YohanTM2]

Maybe its really in Hull (other side of the Ottawa River in Quebec)

The French CDNs had a lot of opposition to the war and wanted to sit out

[SMK-at-work]

AFAIK they have no rail because there is no allied capital on the continent until the US joins.

Having to move them overland is a fairly simple way of delaying their entry into the war - I have no idea when the first formed Canadian units became available - I expect some time in 1940?

found something on Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Canadi ... y_Division - 1st Infantry Division was mobilised before war, shipped to the UK in late 39, and finished forming by Feb 40.

2nd division was also mobilised before the war and had its HQ's formed by May 40 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Canadi ... y_Division)

And 3rd division wasn't ready until mid 1941 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Canadi ... y_Division)

[IrishGuards]

More comments on this Waikiki ... I must get this book .... [&o]
And nay railroads in CaNaDa .... Pretty hard to get to the DewdropInn in Hali ... where are the wee boaties ... then again ,,,, just put the cork back in the wine bottles ... put em in a net and float with the current .. Swine quebecuois ....
IDG

[Phatguy]

ORIGINAL: IrishDragoonGuards

More comments on this Waikiki ... I must get this book .... [&o]
And nay railroads in CaNaDa .... Pretty hard to get to the DewdropInn in Hali ... where are the wee boaties ... then again ,,,, just put the cork back in the wine bottles ... put em in a net and float with the current .. Swine quebecuois ....
IDG

No Canadians I know indulge in wine.Its so continental. Give 'em Labatts or Molson and life is good!

[IrishGuards]

Then again theres always General Jameson ... [&o]
IDG

[Happycat]

Although the manual doesn't seem to tell us this, Ottawa is an active capital and works in tandem with London for UK surrender rule. Therefore, it should be an active capital prior to US entry. This seems like a bug. Be nice if someone from Matrix would weigh in here...

[Vypuero]

There is a measure that lowers supply from distance to the nearest active capital, and it seems that the first capital counts until such time as it is conquered, then the alternate kicks in. 
 
It is not a bug, but not necessarily right either.  However, because I felt the Canadian should take some time to arrive anyway, I liked what it did and did not ask it be changed.

[Happycat]

You're probably right in your judgment. A corps is a lot of people, and Canada was deploying in brigade and divisional elements. It takes about six turns to get these guys from Ottawa to Halifax, and then three more turns bobbing on the ocean. That's about the right amount of time to get a corps over to the UK. I guess if I want to get a brigade sized unit over, I can send the garrison from Halifax. Of course, now that I have said this, IDG will probably try to invade Nova Scotia![:)]

[IrishGuards]

I was just reading some of this Waikiki .. Very Imformative .. It says that CaNaDa had a Super Dreadnought CV ... [&o]
I would appreciate if this galring oversight is corrected forthwith .. so my troops in oTtAwA .. can just ride along on the sawdust and ice to UK ..
Appreciate it guys ..
IDG

[Major Victory]

At the end of WW2, Canada had the 3rd largest navy in the world! after USA and Britain. It would be nice if given there proper due in wargames. By 1944, it also fielded its own army in Europe and produced over 14,000 aircraft. Canada was an idependent country, not a backwater colony!

[targul]

ORIGINAL: Major Victory

At the end of WW2, Canada had the 3rd largest navy in the world! after USA and Britain. It would be nice if given there proper due in wargames. By 1944, it also fielded its own army in Europe and produced over 14,000 aircraft. Canada was an idependent country, not a backwater colony!

Here here the Canadians have spoken.

[IrishGuards]

Thats right you tell em Major Viagra ... [X(]
IDG

[Warfare1]

Just to add to the Canadian totals:

At the end of WWII Canada had the FOURTH largest air force in the world.

During the war Canada carried out 48% of all convoy escort duties in the Atlantic.

And Canada was such a production powerhouse that almost ALL of the vehicles used by the British 8th Army in chasing Rommel across North Africa were made in Canada.

Canada had the second largest foreign contingent of fighter pilots in the Battle of Britain.

Canada was the only other country, besides the USA and Britain, to have its own invasion beach on D-Day (Juno); the only one to take all of its objectives on D-Day; and the only other country to have its own Army, besides the USA and Britain, after Normandy, when the First Canadian Army went operational in July/44.

Canada suffered at the Battle of Ortona in Italy (often called the second Stalingrad or Canada's Stalingrad).

Canada liberated Holland after suffering 25,000 casualties, and to this day Canada and Holland are close friends.

[targul]

Canada liberated Holland after suffering 25,000 casualties, and to this day Canada and Holland are close friends.
 
I didnt know Canada was disliked by anyone.  Far as I knew they are friends to everyone.  At least when I visit Canada I find them very friendly. 
 
I do worry though since the Canadian Army is massed on the American borders.  Not sure of there intentions with that.  Hehe

[IrishGuards]

Cry Havoc and Unleash the Dags a War ... [&o]
IDG

[Warfare1]

ORIGINAL: targul

Canada liberated Holland after suffering 25,000 casualties, and to this day Canada and Holland are close friends.

I didnt know Canada was disliked by anyone. Far as I knew they are friends to everyone. At least when I visit Canada I find them very friendly.

I do worry though since the Canadian Army is massed on the American borders. Not sure of there intentions with that. Hehe

It's a very special friendship (more so than with other countries).

Canadian Forces played an important role in liberating the Netherlands. Canadians who landed on D-Day, fought battles through France, Belgium, the Scheldt and in Germany before being dispatched back to the Netherlands with the Canadians who had fought in Italy.

Canadian orders were to push the German troops occupying the northeast back to the sea and to drive German troops in the west back into Germany. The advance was halted on April 12, because of concern for the well-being of citizens in the western Netherlands, who, having been starved for months, ran the risk of having their country flooded if the Germans panicked and opened the dykes.

On April 28, the Canadians negotiated a truce which permitted relief supplies to enter the western Netherlands and end the "Hunger Winter". No part of western Europe was liberated at a more vital moment than the Netherlands and the Dutch people cheered Canadian troops as one town after another was freed

To show their appreciation to the pilots who dropped food from the air, many Dutch people painted, "Thank you, Canadians!" on their rooftops.

In honour of their gift of freedom Dutch people have donated 10,000 tulip bulbs to Canada for the National Capital Region annually since the war's end. If you go to Ottawa to this day, the tulip bulbs you see growing on capital hill are the same tulip bulbs that are still being donated by the Dutch people.

In 1995, the Netherlands donated an additional 5,000 bulbs for Parliament Hill, 1,000 for each provincial and territorial capital and 1,000 for Ste. Anne's hospital in Saint-Anne-de-Bellevue, Que. (the only remaining federal hospital in Canada, administered by Veterans Affairs Canada).

When Holland was overrun by the (Germans) in May 1940, Queen Wilhelmina sought refuge in England and, from there, headed her country's government-in-exile. But even Great Britain was a precarious haven, and in 1942, the Crown Princess Juliana was persuaded to leave for Canada where she made her wartime home. Here, on January 19, 1943, in a room in Ottawa's Civic Hospital specially decreed to be Dutch territory, her third daughter Margriet was born. The tiny princess captured the hearts of Canadians who claimed her as their own.

Princess Margriet of the Netherlands, is the third daughter of Queen Juliana of the Netherlands and Prince Bernhard, the former Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. As a daughter of the late Queen Juliana and a younger sister of the current monarch, Queen Beatrix, she is currently eighth in line to the Dutch throne.

Since she is also a descendant of King George II of Great Britain, and is therefore theoretically in line for the British throne, she became a British subject after a 1957 court case.

When victory was secured in 1945, Princess Juliana and her family returned to their homeland where they found the people recovering from the ravages of war. They also discovered a tumultuously happy Dutch population deeply grateful to the Canadians who had recently liberated them and saved thousands of people from starving to death.

Eventually the capital of Ottawa and the Hague became twinned cities, all Dutch children are STILL taught about Canada's liberation of their country (called Liberation Day), and if Canadians ever visit Holland to this day they will be treated like Royalty. The Dutch have NEVER forgotten!

The Groesbeek Canadian War Cemetery is a field of honor to the memory of the Canadian soldiers killed in WWII. The Canadian War Cemetery reminds the inhabitants of Groesbeek of the allied solders who were killed during Operation Veritable. It is the largest cemetery of British Commonwealth soldiers in The Netherlands.

[IrishGuards]

Our brethren .. Could say lots more .. Actions speak louder than words ..
And Our actions speak volumes ... [:)]
IDG

[Warfare1]

There are several war cemeteries to Canadians throughout Holland.

This is the Canadian War Cemetery at Holten: