LET's Talk BASEBALL ;)

[ravinhood]

Well who's going to watch the SF/Florida game tonight? Bonds is 1 HR away from tying Hank's record.

And what about that pitcher trade with SD and MIL....why would SD trade away a pretty solid known veteran middle reliever in a year where they could make the playoffs for some offbeat unheard of rookie to replace him? Link something or other is his name.

Texieria looks like he might be headed to Atlanta, kewl deal we get an awesome power hitting catcher and younger to and 2 other players. Pretty good deal when most analysists are saying the trade even stevens is good deal.

I guess we can talk some football also. Whatchall think about Vick? Dog Fighting. I just ask why do people make such a big deal over what happens normally between two dogs or even two male animals when they meet in the wild. It's natural for animals to fight one another for supremacy of the pack. But, I guess because dogs are more domesticated they get some humanistic ruling on what is only natural. But, then I'll ask you all this question who are against dog fighting. How many of you watch Animal Planet or even let your kids watch it and see all those horrible fights between males of different species, I've seen some pretty gruesome pictures of the aftermath of animal fighting on what is considered by most a family program. lol

[KG Erwin]

Haven't yet checked to see if the game is being broadcast here. Nevertheless, I can follow the game on mlb.com.

[CJMello63]

[Terl]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Well who's going to watch the SF/Florida game tonight? Bonds is 1 HR away from tying Hank's record.

Not me, I do not care if he breaks it or not. To me it doesn't count. I know the 'roids were not illegal then but to me it matters...

And what about that pitcher trade with SD and MIL....why would SD trade away a pretty solid known veteran middle reliever in a year where they could make the playoffs for some offbeat unheard of rookie to replace him? Link something or other is his name.

I can't recall the name either. I wondered why too when they are doing fairly well. I guess time will show us...

Texieria looks like he might be headed to Atlanta, kewl deal we get an awesome power hitting catcher and younger to and 2 other players. Pretty good deal when most analysists are saying the trade even stevens is good deal.

Good for Texiera and for Atlanta.

I guess we can talk some football also. Whatchall think about Vick? Dog Fighting. I just ask why do people make such a big deal over what happens normally between two dogs or even two male animals when they meet in the wild. It's natural for animals to fight one another for supremacy of the pack. But, I guess because dogs are more domesticated they get some humanistic ruling on what is only natural. But, then I'll ask you all this question who are against dog fighting. How many of you watch Animal Planet or even let your kids watch it and see all those horrible fights between males of different species, I've seen some pretty gruesome pictures of the aftermath of animal fighting on what is considered by most a family program. lol

I can sort of see your point about animals meeting in the wild, but this is much different. The dogs in Vick's case are cruelly treated and bred for one purpose, to fight. And if they lose they really, freaking lose. It is despicable to me and I am not even what you may call a "dog person". I would like to see the NFL ban him outright. There is enough, IMHO, to suspend him for this season at least just due to conduct violations. I looked at the NFLPA page and read the rules. They could shelve him for this season. Best to get him out of the spotlight for a while too if they want hope of recovering from this. I feel bad for the Falcons and their fans, Vick really let them down.

[Zap]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Well who's going to watch the SF/Florida game tonight? Bonds is 1 HR away from tying Hank's record.

And what about that pitcher trade with SD and MIL....why would SD trade away a pretty solid known veteran middle reliever in a year where they could make the playoffs for some offbeat unheard of rookie to replace him? Link something or other is his name.

Texieria looks like he might be headed to Atlanta, kewl deal we get an awesome power hitting catcher and younger to and 2 other players. Pretty good deal when most analysists are saying the trade even stevens is good deal.

I guess we can talk some football also. Whatchall think about Vick? Dog Fighting. I just ask why do people make such a big deal over what happens normally between two dogs or even two male animals when they meet in the wild. It's natural for animals to fight one another for supremacy of the pack. But, I guess because dogs are more domesticated they get some humanistic ruling on what is only natural. But, then I'll ask you all this question who are against dog fighting. How many of you watch Animal Planet or even let your kids watch it and see all those horrible fights between males of different species, I've seen some pretty gruesome pictures of the aftermath of animal fighting on what is considered by most a family program. lol

Tell you the truth Bonds could hit 1,000 home runs but he will never be the title holder in my mind. Hank Aron will be the title holder until the next man passes him while not using body enhancing drugs. And that might be Ken Griffey Jr.

[Goblin]

ORIGINAL: Zap

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Well who's going to watch the SF/Florida game tonight? Bonds is 1 HR away from tying Hank's record.

And what about that pitcher trade with SD and MIL....why would SD trade away a pretty solid known veteran middle reliever in a year where they could make the playoffs for some offbeat unheard of rookie to replace him? Link something or other is his name.

Texieria looks like he might be headed to Atlanta, kewl deal we get an awesome power hitting catcher and younger to and 2 other players. Pretty good deal when most analysists are saying the trade even stevens is good deal.

I guess we can talk some football also. Whatchall think about Vick? Dog Fighting. I just ask why do people make such a big deal over what happens normally between two dogs or even two male animals when they meet in the wild. It's natural for animals to fight one another for supremacy of the pack. But, I guess because dogs are more domesticated they get some humanistic ruling on what is only natural. But, then I'll ask you all this question who are against dog fighting. How many of you watch Animal Planet or even let your kids watch it and see all those horrible fights between males of different species, I've seen some pretty gruesome pictures of the aftermath of animal fighting on what is considered by most a family program. lol

Tell you the truth Bonds could hit 1,000 home runs but he will never be the title holder in my mind. Hank Aron will be the title holder until the next man passes him while not using body enhancing drugs.

Beer.

[KG Erwin]

So, zap, you're suggesting that an asterisk should be placed beside Bonds' name in the record books? ( Think back to the crime commissioner Ford Frick perpetrated against Roger Maris when he broke the Babe's single-season HR record in 1961).

A season is a season, and a career is a career. The numbers will stand, despite the controversy surrounding them (need I mention Pete Rose?) .

[Challerain]

Linebrink was really struggling in July and was horrible away from home. In fact, he was recently removed from the 8th inning setup role. He is also a free agent at the end of the year. The Padres got back three highly regarded pitching prospects for him.

I believe the Giants game is on either ESPN or ESPN2 tonight so it should be on everywhere.

Tex going to the Braves would be a great pickup.

Griffey is way too old to catch Bonds. Next one up with a chance will be Arod.

[Bossy573]

ORIGINAL: CJMello63

LET'S GO METS!


Barry Bonds is a fraud, pure and simple.

[Goblin]

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

So, zap, you're suggesting that an asterisk should be placed beside Bonds' name in the record books? ( Think back to the crime commissioner Ford Frick perpetrated against Roger Maris when he broke the Babe's single-season HR record in 1961).

A season is a season, and a career is a career. The numbers will stand, despite the controversy surrounding them (need I mention Pete Rose?) .

Yeah, because betting and flat-out cheating are the same thing.[8|]

[rogueusmc]

The HR records really don't mean much to me. Even if you discount the drugs, it still isn't the same.

• How many games did the Babe play in a season compared to Bonds?
• How big was the strike zone then? The pitch is served right up the middle on a silver platter compared to when the Babe did his thing.

[Challerain]

Good point. Fom the limited searching that I did, Bonds has a career at bats per home run ratio of 16.2 while the Babe was at 11.8. Aaron was at 16.4.

[jchastain]

That bunch of drugged up fat men calling themselves athletes?  yawn.

[ravinhood]

Yeah Linebrink thanks for clearing that up Challerain. I had looked at this total stats for the year and they looked pretty good. Didn't know he had been sinking for awhile now. Plus being a free agent I guess SD got the better end of longevity out of the deal.
 
But, for me when I'm playing my computer baseball I usually won't trade anyone away on a winning team till the next year and I'm doing badly. I just have this feeling that if I trade someone away I will lose badly like I did this year in the playoffs by dumping Blalock (.226 ba) and Kerry Wood before the playoffs started for some defense and a new pitcher I had been watching for awhile after the allstar game who had gone 7-1 and Wood was 6-7. I got spanked by the Yankees in 3 games after having the best record in the league 101-61. I hate losing in the playoffs after having the best record the entire season lol. Especially after I had stomped on the Yankees 8 games to 2 in season meetings lol and get swept in the GD playoffs. grrrrrrrrrrr Fortunately since I put Wood on 10 day assignment and I lost so early I didn't have to release him afterall. Lost Blalock though, but, nobody wanted to trade for him he was getting 4 mill and some change and had one more year contract and he refused to goto the minors (the punkboy lol). I took the 4 mil loss since he wasn't producing anything and his rating at 3b was 4. Texas should dump him instead of Texieria. hehe
 
I enjoy baseball both real and computer. I'm watching the game and hoping he breaks the record and keeps on going. In my computer league he hit 800 hrs before retiring. But, he got traded to a DH american league team and that is why he got to play so much longer. Thing is we don't know if Aaron didn't take some game performance enhancing drugs or not either. Just that with Barry there are some statements to the fact. I remember I used to get high before bowling during league and tournaments, perhaps that's how I bowled over 200 so much with a 172 avg. hahah. Still won the money and the trophies and nobody said nothing about it. Cause people drank beer, whiskey and who knows what else when we bowled. We were all enhanced on something I guess. lol Even sugar.

[chris0827]

ORIGINAL: Challerain

Good point. Fom the limited searching that I did, Bonds has a career at bats per home run ratio of 16.2 while the Babe was at 11.8. Aaron was at 16.4.

Your numbers are wrong. Bonds hits a home run every 12.92 at bats

[Zap]

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin


A season is a season, and a career is a career. The numbers will stand, despite the controversy surrounding them (need I mention Pete Rose?) .

You see KG Erwin "once upon a time". Character and using natural talent only" were part of the basis for judging a great man and player. In some fan circles, nowadays its just the numbers that count.

But it should bother you that the numbers reached by some players are artificial. Under natural conditions(steriod free) the numbers reached by Bonds and others would never have been reached.


Finally, to your comment a "season is a season" "career is a career"

A season is worth mention when honesty and character are in the mix. When these are absent, your only talking about a body producing numbers. A player is a whole person who hurts,makes life choices,raises a family,worships or not, does philonthropic works. Thats who we follow, not some carbon object.

A CAREER(capital letters) Is a player who makes something special of what talents he has been given and lives honestly and honrably.

a career - can be nothing special because that player did not put to the limits his talents to reach the records he reached. But because he was lacking in character. He cheapened himself by cheating to attain a record he did not deserve.

[cdbeck]

ORIGINAL: Zap
You see KG Erwin "once upon a time". Character and using natural talent only were part of the basis for judging a great man and player. In some fan circles, nowadays its just the numbers that count.

Two words Zap: Ty Cobb. As far as being an outstanding player, Cobb ranks way up there in the history of baseball. But "character" as you put it? Cobb was well known to be a pain to deal with. It is rumored that he sharpened his cleets so that he could spike basemen as he slide into bases. He was known to be a racist, assaulted a fan, publically whipped his son for getting bad grades at Yale, and in his later life was a heavy drinker (picked up for drunkeness a few times). Some would argue that these aspects of character added to his personality, but anyway you slice it, his numbers were good, but he was somewhat of a poor role model. Ironically though, post-career Cobb agreed with you, he felt players talent had degraded since his time on the field!

I feel the same way about Pete Rose, he is an iconic player, but a tarnished person. Darryl Strawberry too, one can barely think about his time at bat without thinking about his drug problems. While I agree with the above, that once a record is broken the numbers are the numbers, but the players themselves have to live with the fact that the fans will say "Sure, he broke Aaron's record, but he didn't do it without chemical aid." Statistics are statistics, but history often has its own way of evening out.

And to you Mets fans above... Ptttttttpt!
Everyone knows that there is only one team in NYC... the Yankees. Even if they suck (thank goodness they beat Tampa Bay the other day while I was at the Stadium... worst team in the league). What can I say, I live in the Bronx! (I'm a closet Dodgers fan, though)

SoM

[Challerain]

Thanks. I pulled the number from the beginning of his career.........

[robpost3]

I was in Florida on Saturday nights game and general consensus was applause when Bonds popped out to first.
When the new Yankee Stadium is built real life baseball is done for me (too much commercial crap is what it has/will become), perhaps I will hold out as long as Fenway (original) still stands. Funny thing is the "big news" is the contract some rookie or import makes more so than anything else, nah..., fantasy sports is for me now, cant see no two bit drug using, criminal low life punks making that sort of dough, specially from me putting my cash into it, I work with many blue collar people who deserve that money, next time somebody needs a paramedic or cop, or load of supplies delivered cross country, or brick work; think about it: all in a days work for these mooks and they (usually[;)] ) don't cry over a sprain or hang nail.
As far as Cobb goes, he said the base paths belong to him: intimidation is part of the game.
Heck, wasn't the Enos Slaughter/Jackie Robinson story something along the lines of: Enos used to ride Robinson's ass all the time and finally in one game Slaughter spiked Robinson on a routine play and Jackie on his next at bat got a hit and came into base safe, Enos said something unsavory to Jackie and Jackie finally just belted him in the kisser, plain as day and the game went on. Afterwards Enos was mentioned to have said in an interview regarding the incident that Jackie had a hard fist and knocked his tooth out that time, and Enos just smiled...(the game within the game).

[cdbeck]

Amen Rob...

The new Yankee stadium is a gross and exhorbitant waste of money. I had a German friend with me when we went to the game the other night. He looked at the new stadium, looked at the old stadium, and shook his head. "Only in America would you build a new stadium literally on top of a perfectly good stadium." I had to agree...

SoM