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RE: Has anyone ever sunk the Yamoto?

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Well, i personally never did, but i've read many times in the AARs of Yamato sunk for the glory of the Emperor[:D]
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In a game against the AI three torpedoes from Australian Beauforts did her in off Buna...
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Part of the reason she was able to take such a pounding in real life was she was hit with most of those torpedo's so quickly she didn't have time to sink so they kept hitting her with more. She couldnt actually take 17 torpdeos and float (or however manyt hey hit her with before she sank) its just they hit her with so many so quickly.
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Part of the reason she was able to take such a pounding in real life was she was hit with most of those torpedo's so quickly she didn't have time to sink so they kept hitting her with more. She couldnt actually take 17 torpdeos and float (or however manyt hey hit her with before she sank) its just they hit her with so many so quickly.
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One guy (i don't remember who) reported he did in Yamato with a single 18" torp from a Swordfish (apparently got a magazine explosion). [X(]
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Sank the Yamato in UV w/a few well-placed aerial fish as most bombs just seem to bounce off her, but I don't ever recall getting the better of the Yamato in any surface action, day or night.

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I once had Yamato take 26 bomb hits and sail blithely away with about 17 sys damage. Much later in the war she got into a brawl with North Carolina off Okinawa. Yamato took a lot of shell hits, including four 16” shells. North Carolina was completely wrecked by 18” hits and sank a couple of days later. Yamato ended up with system, fire, and float damage all in the 30’s.

She would have made it back to Sasebo but the American carriers showed up the next day. Even though already hurt she wasn’t easy to sink. Five or six torpedoes finally did the job, though.

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One guy (i don't remember who) reported he did in Yamato with a single 18" torp from a Swordfish (apparently got a magazine explosion).

I might need therapy after seeing that as the Japanese player. Or a new monitor.
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Part of the reason she was able to take such a pounding in real life was she was hit with most of those torpedo's so quickly she didn't have time to sink so they kept hitting her with more. She couldnt actually take 17 torpdeos and float (or however manyt hey hit her with before she sank) its just they hit her with so many so quickly.


Well, atleast according to the TROM the Musashi took 3 Bomb hits, 8 torpedo hits and 11 near misses and still was probably more or less in fighting condition.
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Got a magazine explosion with a 16in shell from the Iowa.
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I had a sub put 2 torps in her on her way to Truk.  I then sent a SAG up there to finisher off but she got away, only to get 3 more torps from 2 other subs.  Down she went.
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ORIGINAL: flanyboy

Part of the reason she was able to take such a pounding in real life was she was hit with most of those torpedo's so quickly she didn't have time to sink so they kept hitting her with more. She couldnt actually take 17 torpdeos and float (or however manyt hey hit her with before she sank) its just they hit her with so many so quickly.

Torpedo pilots were told to hit Yamoto from the port side so she would flood and list. I have yet to find two reliable sources that agree on the exact number of torpedo hits this ship took.

Bombs -- and straffing -- took out her AAA and other systems, but none apparently penetrated her horizontal armor.
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No, remember musashi? It only sanks after some 18 torpedos... and after several hours.  Its survivablilty definitely better than KGV class, which is reputed to be well-protected. POW fatally damaged and doomed after a single type 91 torpedo, this is in real world, not game. In this game yamaton class is a pure waste to resource. What a reasonable player would even build musashi, a pity.
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Well, if you never build musashi, the allies could never sink her and claim that 256 (?) points...[:D]
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Well, if you never build musashi, the allies could never sink her and claim that 256 (?) points...[:D]
Torpedo pilots were told to hit Yamoto from the port side so she would flood and list. I have yet to find two reliable sources that agree on the exact number of torpedo hits this ship took.
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I had a sub put 2 torps in her on her way to Truk.  I then sent a SAG up there to finisher off but she got away, only to get 3 more torps from 2 other subs.  Down she went.

Rather low. The expected number of torpedo hits required was 11.
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Bombs -- and straffing -- took out her AAA and other systems, but none apparently penetrated her horizontal armor.

The second bomb to hit her penetrated her horizontal armor, destroyed fire control mains to her aft secondary gun magazine, and set that magazine on fire. The torpedoes sank her before that fire could cook off her upper 18" gun magazine. That one bomb might have been sufficient to sink Yamato had the torpedoes not flooded everything else first.

At the least then, one and only one US bomb could cripple if not outright sink Yamato. It really would depend on which bomb and where it hit.

And yes, she was light years better than a KGV. She had heavier guns than a US South Dakota, but any 16" gun armed US BB would have had a clear advantage after mid-1943 in open waters. Around some rats' maze of islands, I suppose any darned thing could have happened if a US SoDak or Iowa were to get into a fight with Yamato, because at close range it would have been anyone's fight to win.
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ORIGINAL: trollelite

No, remember musashi? It only sanks after some 18 torpedos... and after several hours. Its survivablilty definitely better than KGV class, which is reputed to be well-protected. POW fatally damaged and doomed after a single type 91 torpedo, this is in real world, not game. In this game yamaton class is a pure waste to resource. What a reasonable player would even build musashi, a pity.

The "yamaton" class was "a pure waste to resource" in real life as well...
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A waste of resource in real life, indeed,  however not so PURE as in the game.....[;)]
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I've found the Yamato class most useful in game. Fast moving, heavy hitting, survivable.

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