Aircraft vanish

[castor troy]

I´ve noticed it before, but I thought the "vanishing aircraft bug" was fixed. In my game against PzJg Hortlund I was amazed that I wasn´t able to get my squadrons up to strenght, even if I didn´t lose more aircraft than I received with my replacement rate.

When you have a squadron fragment somewhere, let´s say because you moved out the undamaged aircraft, then those damaged aircraft that are left behind just start to vanish. In the end you end up with 64 pilots but only 50 aircraft. So NEVER fly out undamaged aircraft if you leave damaged ones behind, you will lose a lot of them. [8|] annoying...

As a side note, the "feature" transfer squadrons by rail has been broken now for a loooong time too. You can transfer them over road, yes you even can transfer them over a trail... [8|]

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

I´ve noticed it before, but I thought the "vanishing aircraft bug" was fixed. In my game against PzJg Hortlund I was amazed that I wasn´t able to get my squadrons up to strenght, even if I didn´t lose more aircraft than I received with my replacement rate.

When you have a squadron fragment somewhere, let´s say because you moved out the undamaged aircraft, then those damaged aircraft that are left behind just start to vanish. In the end you end up with 64 pilots but only 50 aircraft. So NEVER fly out undamaged aircraft if you leave damaged ones behind, you will lose a lot of them. [8|] annoying...

As a side note, the "feature" transfer squadrons by rail has been broken now for a loooong time too. You can transfer them over road, yes you even can transfer them over a trail... [8|]

It depends... i had it happen to certain units, but it never seemed to affect others. So, i wouldn't say NEVER transfer them... but be aware of the problem.

SOME (not all) of these AC seem to be sent back to the pool, so not everything is lost.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: castor troy

I´ve noticed it before, but I thought the "vanishing aircraft bug" was fixed. In my game against PzJg Hortlund I was amazed that I wasn´t able to get my squadrons up to strenght, even if I didn´t lose more aircraft than I received with my replacement rate.

When you have a squadron fragment somewhere, let´s say because you moved out the undamaged aircraft, then those damaged aircraft that are left behind just start to vanish. In the end you end up with 64 pilots but only 50 aircraft. So NEVER fly out undamaged aircraft if you leave damaged ones behind, you will lose a lot of them. [8|] annoying...

As a side note, the "feature" transfer squadrons by rail has been broken now for a loooong time too. You can transfer them over road, yes you even can transfer them over a trail... [8|]

It depends... i had it happen to certain units, but it never seemed to affect others. So, i wouldn't say NEVER transfer them... but be aware of the problem.

SOME (not all) of these AC seem to be sent back to the pool, so not everything is lost.

I haven´t checked all my units, this would have just been too much of work. I´ve noticed it in my game against Hortlund, my B-25 bomber groups are effected and even worse, my B-17s too. I only get very small replacement numbers in Nikmod and it´s super annoying if you see two months of replacements just vanish... [:(] Unfortunately, if there went any back to the pool, then the numbers were so small I didn´t notice. Even with no fighting (means no losses) and bombers coming as replacements, the numbers available (on map AND pool) dropped... this was the moment I dropped from my chair... [8|] Vanishing aircraft bug, a new one - super annoying one to me...

any chance that the transfer by rail over TRAIL will be fixed again?

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: castor troy

I´ve noticed it before, but I thought the "vanishing aircraft bug" was fixed. In my game against PzJg Hortlund I was amazed that I wasn´t able to get my squadrons up to strenght, even if I didn´t lose more aircraft than I received with my replacement rate.

When you have a squadron fragment somewhere, let´s say because you moved out the undamaged aircraft, then those damaged aircraft that are left behind just start to vanish. In the end you end up with 64 pilots but only 50 aircraft. So NEVER fly out undamaged aircraft if you leave damaged ones behind, you will lose a lot of them. [8|] annoying...

As a side note, the "feature" transfer squadrons by rail has been broken now for a loooong time too. You can transfer them over road, yes you even can transfer them over a trail... [8|]

It depends... i had it happen to certain units, but it never seemed to affect others. So, i wouldn't say NEVER transfer them... but be aware of the problem.

SOME (not all) of these AC seem to be sent back to the pool, so not everything is lost.

I haven´t checked all my units, this would have just been too much of work. I´ve noticed it in my game against Hortlund, my B-25 bomber groups are effected and even worse, my B-17s too. I only get very small replacement numbers in Nikmod and it´s super annoying if you see two months of replacements just vanish... [:(] Unfortunately, if there went any back to the pool, then the numbers were so small I didn´t notice. Even with no fighting (means no losses) and bombers coming as replacements, the numbers available (on map AND pool) dropped... this was the moment I dropped from my chair... [8|] Vanishing aircraft bug, a new one - super annoying one to me...

any chance that the transfer by rail over TRAIL will be fixed again?

Bug isn't new, i think - it's been reported for at least 2 years.

Not sure what will be fixed in any new patches at this point... i suppose there is a CHANCE, though...

[castor troy]

the only vanishing aircraft bug I heard of was the one with sunken carriers still drawing aircraft, but this one was new (TO ME)...

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

the only vanishing aircraft bug I heard of was the one with sunken carriers still drawing aircraft, but this one was new (TO ME)...

i know i reported it about two years ago... it's been reported several times since (last time several weeks ago)...

EDIT: However, the more people who complain about it, the more likely it is to be fixed.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: castor troy

the only vanishing aircraft bug I heard of was the one with sunken carriers still drawing aircraft, but this one was new (TO ME)...

i know i reported it about two years ago... it's been reported several times since (last time several weeks ago)...

EDIT: However, the more people who complain about it, the more likely it is to be fixed.

okay, I officially COMPLAIN now!!!

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: castor troy

the only vanishing aircraft bug I heard of was the one with sunken carriers still drawing aircraft, but this one was new (TO ME)...

i know i reported it about two years ago... it's been reported several times since (last time several weeks ago)...

EDIT: However, the more people who complain about it, the more likely it is to be fixed.

okay, I officially COMPLAIN now!!!

[:D]

[afspret]

It also happens to P-38 units and I've even seen it happen to one of my CAF I-16 units. And contrary to what I've seen reported in some of the other threads concerning this bug, I have yet to see any of the aircraft that vanish re-appear in the aircraft pool.

IMO, this is something that needs to be addressed ASAP! I know Matrix is working on getting AE up and running with as few problems as possible (& I applaud them for that), but I think they could take some time to try and fix this problem.

Oh, by the way, even though I have the 'hot fix' patch, I am still having problems with my cargo TFs sailing with little or no supplies if I disband another TF. For me this more of an annoyance than a major problem, like vanishing aircraft, some time should also be taken to fix this as well.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: afspret

It also happens to P-38 units and I've even seen it happen to one of my CAF I-16 units. And contrary to what I've seen reported in some of the other threads concerning this bug, I have yet to see any of the aircraft that vanish re-appear in the aircraft pool.

IMO, this is something that needs to be addressed ASAP! I know Matrix is working on getting AE up and running with as few problems as possible (& I applaud them for that), but I think they could take some time to try and fix this problem.

Oh, by the way, even though I have the 'hot fix' patch, I am still having problems with my cargo TFs sailing with little or no supplies if I disband another TF. For me this more of an annoyance than a major problem, like vanishing aircraft, some time should also be taken to fix this as well.

My first encounter with the problem was with P-38s in stock... since the number of P-38s arriving each day was something like 1.5, there was a "die roll" to decide if one or two arrived, which made it difficult to track, however, it seemed that many/most (but not all) of the units went back into the pool...

Then the problem spread to B-17s and other units... it was easier to track these, and again some units were returned to the pool.

Other people have reported they have seen (at least some) of the missing aircraft return to the pool.

[witpqs]

I experience this problem with any and all models of aircraft. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't.

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

I experience this problem with any and all models of aircraft. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't.

Interesting, I've never seen this in any of my games (knock knock)!

[witpqs]

Hmmm. In the past the problem was worse (much worse). It was addressed in a patch and (truly) mostly eliminated. Prior to that it was a veritable plague. Now it happens but not nearly as bad, although I can see it would be pretty irritating for a competitive PBEM.

I think (IIRC) that I posed the question about this early on in the AE forum and the reply was that the bug is well and truly squashed. [Unless we are living in a Godzilla movie, then it will be back!]

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Hmmm. In the past the problem was worse (much worse). It was addressed in a patch and (truly) mostly eliminated. Prior to that it was a veritable plague. Now it happens but not nearly as bad, although I can see it would be pretty irritating for a competitive PBEM.

I think (IIRC) that I posed the question about this early on in the AE forum and the reply was that the bug is well and truly squashed. [Unless we are living in a Godzilla movie, then it will be back!]

It is pretty irritating if you have a B-17 replacement rate of 16/month and you lose 30 because you transferred your operational B-17s out and left the damaged - which start to vanish then...[:(]

[MarcA]

Have I mentioned my game is almost at a stand still becuase of this bug. It sucked most of my useful a/c pools dry in about a month of game play. Now I have had to switch the game to tick over, about a turn a week, while I wait in vain for a patch to cure it.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: mantill

Have I mentioned my game is almost at a stand still becuase of this bug. It sucked most of my useful a/c pools dry in about a month of game play. Now I have had to switch the game to tick over, about a turn a week, while I wait in vain for a patch to cure it.

that sounds really severe! I try to counter this bug with the other bug of being able to transfer aircraft over roads and trails also and to not leave damaged aircraft behind. This doesn´t work of course if you move out squadrons from islands and leave damaged aircraft behind. So if they will ever fix the bug of being able to transfer aircraft over trails then the bug about vanishing aircraft will even get severe...

[witpqs]

Come to think of it castor, that might be why I see only a certain amount of the bug now - to avoid it I make that second transfer (once by air, once by rail).

Not sure I would classify the transfer by rail option as a bug though. The planes do transfer as crated up and need time to be made ready.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Come to think of it castor, that might be why I see only a certain amount of the bug now - to avoid it I make that second transfer (once by air, once by rail).

Not sure I would classify the transfer by rail option as a bug though. The planes do transfer as crated up and need time to be made ready.

Of course, this doesn't solve the problem if you involved in battles (as i was) on New Guinea and you are transferring to Oz (or vice versa).

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Come to think of it castor, that might be why I see only a certain amount of the bug now - to avoid it I make that second transfer (once by air, once by rail).

Not sure I would classify the transfer by rail option as a bug though. The planes do transfer as crated up and need time to be made ready.

Yes, by RAIL!!! This is as designed... though you can do that now also by TRAIL or ROAD... this isn´t as designed and wasn´t possible until some recent patch...