Suggestion: Rush/etc. to nowhere

[WhiteOwl]

This isn't a massive issue but because of the platoon oriented command concept if you want to rush or advance your squads, but your commander is already in a good place, you still have to rush/advance them a tiny bit just to make the command available to the rest of the platoon. Since rushing in particular causes reduction in various factors (sighting, concealment), this could be improved by having an "in-situ" sub option for those two commands.

Just an idea...

Cheers

[Erik Rutins]

That could be added, I see your point. The original intent for that kind of maneuver was to use Engage -> Move and Engage -> Stay.

[rickier65]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

That could be added, I see your point. The original intent for that kind of maneuver was to use Engage -> Move and Engage -> Stay.

I'd 2nd that request. I found myself in the BC1 tutorial rushing across open while I kept one squad in treeline, but to do that I had to "rush" that 1 squad to a 1 meter away spot and it wasn't as effective in covering. I thought it assumed defence at that point, but I'm not sure.

Rick

EDIT: It may be that when I'm playing with more units, this won't be as apparent, but since in Bootcamp I only have the 3 squads to work with it might be exagerating the need for it. I guess I dont know how the other scenarios will play out yet.

[thewood1]

In a couple of other posts I posted this as an overall issue with platoon level commands for a squad-level game.  You either have to micromanage squads after issuing platoon commands or live with squads being out of place.  It is a similar issue to what CMSF has, except its squad orders to individuals.  In PCK, you at least have the option of micromanaging squads into place.  While there are a lot of benefits to platoon oders in a squad-based game, you really need a good TacAI that can adjust the squads to nearby cover or LOS.

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: thewood1
While there are a lot of benefits to platoon oders in a squad-based game, you really need a good TacAI that can adjust the squads to nearby cover or LOS.

Hm, I started thinking about this and could see both pros and cons. Can you elaborate on how you would see this working without creating a new type of problem for the player?

[thewood1]

Take a look at how long they have been working on it CMSF.  Even CC had this issue to some extent.  My opinion is either try to do it full bore like CMSF (most likely not worth the effort), or skip platoon movement altogther and order each individual squad.  As a matter of fact, most of my movements in CM1 were done by highlight an entire platoon and giving a movement order.  Then after they had started, I went in and adjusted each squad's waypoints, either by moving them or adding one to the end.
 
Maybe thats how you do it.  I haven't checked PCK, but may give the platoon order and then based on stance or platoon order, be able to adjust the waypoints of each individual squad instead of waiting for them to get to the final position.  I see PCK as first being the company commander and sending a platoon off in a general direction.  I then become the platoon commander and adjusting individual squads.  It also kind of how I played CM1, although without the platoon restrictions, but with some significant command delays.
 
Sorry, that was a brain dump and a little incoherent.

[PDiFolco]

A related point : it seems that a squad can rush for several turns without any fatigue ... Is that intended ? Seems to me a "rush" should be limited to 1-2 turns (try running 160 sec with 30kg+ pack...)[:-]

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: thewood1
Maybe thats how you do it.  I haven't checked PCK, but may give the platoon order and then based on stance or platoon order, be able to adjust the waypoints of each individual squad instead of waiting for them to get to the final position.

Yeah, that's exactly how I do it actually, when I'm playing.

I see PCK as first being the company commander and sending a platoon off in a general direction.  I then become the platoon commander and adjusting individual squads.  It also kind of how I played CM1, although without the platoon restrictions, but with some significant command delays.

That's sort of how it does work, yep. In general the individual squad management becomes more "of interest" when you're actually close to the enemy or in combat.

Regards,

- Erik

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: PDiFolco
A related point : it seems that a squad can rush for several turns without any fatigue ... Is that intended ? Seems to me a "rush" should be limited to 1-2 turns (try running 160 sec with 30kg+ pack...)[:-]

Correct - instead of limiting it with fatigue, we instead limited the speed a bit to what a soldier could sustainably do with assumed combat gear. I can see the argument for fatigue as a better limiter in some cases, but it does add another thing to track on a squad by squad basis. When I think about other ways to implement this I think an alternative might be to add a "max turns" and "cool down" period to Rush like we do with artillery.

Regards,

- Erik

[Capitaine]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

When I think about other ways to implement this I think an alternative might be to add a "max turns" and "cool down" period to Rush like we do with artillery.

That would be a very elegant solution. I too thought of fatigue when using "rush" for *foot* units on consecutive turns, and this could work pretty well to show that rate can't be sustained (and then you might could speed up the movement too since it wouldn't have to be sustained indefinitely).

One added thing on not having a "Stay" command for "Rush": Units like the trucks in Boot Camp scn 6 are not given an Engage order I don't believe. And certain other units also appear to move only by Rush. In such cases the need for a "Stay" command is heightened b/c there's no alternative order to use to accomplish the desired movement. Please consider adding it to Rush; I'm sensitive to the need for a rudimentary order format but don't see this as a grievous departure from that. [;)]

[Prince of Eckmühl]

ORIGINAL: thewood1

In a couple of other posts I posted this as an overall issue with platoon level commands for a squad-level game.  TacAI t

Could it be that this is actually a platoon-level game with squad-level commands available to the player?

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

[rickier65]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

.... When I think about other ways to implement this I think an alternative might be to add a "max turns" and "cool down" period to Rush like we do with artillery.

Regards,

- Erik

I think that would be an excellent solution, I thought about fatigue when I started my very first BC sceanrio and wondered how long I could rush before I gave out - then realzied maybe I wouldn't.

Rick