Into the Breach

[Ike99]

Ike99-vs-Bigred
Scenario 17
100% both sides
All normal setting are on, plus Japanese sub doctrine is on.
No House Rules

This is a game between me and Bigred. As this game goes along I will post pictures from IL2 Pacific fighters fitting the action as well as historic pictures. I think that will work out nicely for a visual of the action being played out in the strategic game.

Bigred has promised to humble me beyond question. To pulverize the Japanese and make me cry ¨I GIVE UP!!¨ To place his dirty bare foot on the neck of a prostrate Ike99 laying in horse dung in an unquestionable display of Allied dominance over the Japanese.

I say...¨Once more men, into the breach!!¨

[bigred]

Yes, somewhere, on some post, I must admit the I did say "Ike99 needed to be humbled." God Willing. I noticed I am a Matrix veteran w/ 2 stars and Ike is elite w/ 4 stars. I guess that means he puts out 2x BS.

Signet reports large force 480 miles south of Truk. 5-4-42

[bigbaba]

you better watch out, bigred. ike is a master of ship movement and in our game, i thought realy that ike is a reincarnation of graf dracula when it comes to his shipping(busy at night and relatively quiet at day). he can place an entire japanese army under your nose and you notice that when its too late.=)

good luck to you guys and hope we see an intresting AAR here.

[Ike99]

Matrix veteran w/ 2 stars and Ike is elite w/ 4 stars. I guess that means he puts out 2x BS.

[:D][:D][:D]

He can place an entire japanese army under your nose and you notice that when its too late.

Yes, I´ll try my best.

[Ike99]

"Always mystify, mislead, and surprise the enemy, if possible; and when you strike and overcome him never let up in the pursuit so long as your men have strength to follow; for an army routed, if hotly pursued, becomes panic-stricken, and can then be destroyed by half their number. The other rule is, never fight against heavy odds, if by any possible manoeuvering you can hurl you own force on only a part, and that the weakest part, of your enemy and crush it. Such tactics will win every time, and a small army may thus destroy a large one in detail, and repeated victory will make it invincible."

--- Gen. T. J. "Stonewall" Jackson, CSA

[bigred]

I am surprised a South American knows of Stonewall Jackson.

[borner]

spy vs spy? not there is some classic artwork

[Ike99]

I am surprised a South American knows of Stonewall Jackson.

There is 3 American Civil war games on this site!! Hmmm...one too many? I knew of him before though from the movie and agree with his quote 100%, sums up what I try to do in UV. However I can´t say I liked the movie much.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Ike99

I am surprised a South American knows of Stonewall Jackson.

There is 3 American Civil war games on this site!! Hmmm...one too many? I knew of him before though from the movie and agree with his quote 100%, sums up what I try to do in UV. However I can´t say I liked the movie much.

I agree with your taste on that one Ike. Gods and Generals was an abysmal sequal to Gettysburg. It was one of the slowest, most boring movies I ever saw.

The movie Gettysburg was based on a Pulitzer prize winning historical novel by Michael Shara called Killer Angels. It's an awesome book. After Shara died his son took up the mantle of writing historical novels, writing a sequal and a prequal to Killer Angels. Gods and Generals is based on the prequal. The book is much better than the movie. He also wrote a historical novel of the the actions in Mexico in the 1830s where all the generals to be who fought against each other in the civil war were lieutenants and capatains all serving together. Additionally, he wrote a two book series on the American Revolution wherein he depicted John Adams as the true rabble rousing father of the revolution. I highly recommend all the books by the Sharas.

[bigbaba]

i found the movie gettysburg much better then gods&generals. espacialy the battle scenes in GB are more realistic then the visualization of battle of fredericksburg in G&G. also overall , the actors in GB are better then the ones in G&G.Tom Berenger, Martin Sheen and last but not least Jeff Daniels do a great job. the last point is the much better geman synchronization of GB.

and i realy ask myself, what would happen, when jackson were alive at GB and came to the battle scene at the first day of the battle with his corps. maybe he would get the hills at day one and then, there would be no doubt that the south would win the battle wit the superior position.

longstreet was a good commander, but he had a lack of aggressiveness when compared with jackson. maybe he was too carefull.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: bigbaba

i found the movie gettysburg much better then gods&generals. espacialy the battle scenes in GB are more realistic then the visualization of battle of fredericksburg in G&G. also overall , the actors in GB are better then the ones in G&G.Tom Berenger, Martin Sheen and last but not least Jeff Daniels do a great job. the last point is the much better geman synchronization of GB.

and i realy ask myself, what would happen, when jackson were alive at GB and came to the battle scene at the first day of the battle with his corps. maybe he would get the hills at day one and then, there would be no doubt that the south would win the battle wit the superior position.

longstreet was a good commander, but he had a lack of aggressiveness when compared with jackson. maybe he was too carefull.

In my opinion Longstreet was much over maligned. He was probably the best tactical commander the South had. He had a better grasp of the deadliness of modern massed firepower than most who still had their heads in Napoleonic times.He was a firm believer in strong defensive postions. He eschewed the pompous grand Napoleonic marches straight into the face of the enemies guns and his anguish at having his corps execute one at Gettysburg was very well portrayed in the movie and the book.

Jackson was both impetous and aggressive, over aggressive actually, to a fault, as it was his overaggressiveness that got him killed by friendly fire. Longstreet represented the future of warfare while Jackson represented the past. While Jackson got all the glory and is to this day the "poster boy" of successful Civil War generals, I'd take Longstreet over him any day. Just my not so humble opinion.[:)]

[bigbaba]

well hans, i think jackson was a modern thinking commander. he was the predecessor of mannstein, rommel and patton...at least with his actions in the battle of Chancellorsville by flanking the enemy in a almost impassable terrain and attacking him totaly surprising from a impossible direction. thats what the germans did in france in 1940 (the sichelplan of mannstein with the panzer attack through the Ardennen) or rommel did many times against the british 8th army in north africa or guderian, hoepner and hoth did in russia many times.

i think jacksons aggressiveness was missed in the first day of GB.

but thats only my opinion. its realy intresting to chat with you guys about the american civil war, because that is something realy unknown in germany.

[borner]

You can look at Gettysberg as a number of what if's. One huge factor is that it was 3 days, so much more happened than in a "normal" battle.

Longstreet was not only a great corps commander, but one of the few that seemed to truely understand how tactics had changed, and how deadly frontal assaults had become. What if Lee has listend to him, and fought a defensive campaign instead?

Jackson on day two would have won the battle for the South. Meade made several errors. Early on, on LOngstreets front, he allowed the Cav division covering his left to retire. ON his right, he pulled 5/6th of his righthand corps off Culps hill, and allowed those works to be occoupied. This in addition to a near breakthrough both in the center and the right. Had a better commander - Jackson - been there, it would have been disaster for the union.

The bigger question for me is what if Reynolds, who Meade had given command of nearly half his army, had not been killed so early. Meade's two weakest corps commanders were under Reyonods, 3 if you count Doubbleday who took over 1st corps when Reyonolds commanded the Left wing. Once Reynolds fell, there was no one of quality, such as Hancock, on site. Meade was hours away. I think on the first day once the opening engagement where Heth's div was beat up ended, Reynolds would have pulled back to what became the main line, but with the 1st and 11 corps intact instead of shattered. It would have changed the whole theme of the battle.



may be a good idea to start a thread about it so it does not take over your ARR

[borner]

Also remember before you start dwngrading Longtreet at Gettysberg, Lee made Longstreet, his only experienced commander, stop, so that Hill could bring his other two divisions up first. On day two, if Lee had allowed the type of attack Longstreet and Hood wanted, they would have stood a much better chance of sucess.

[Ike99]

i found the movie gettysburg much better then gods-&-generals.

What was the title of Gods and Generals in Germany bigbaba? Was it a direct translation or something else?

Sometimes with the English speaking movies here they change the titles to a completely different name than from the original English.

[Ike99]

Nothing unusual in this game so far, Japanese longe range recon spots an Allied surface fleet loading up on Australian coast with minesweepers.

I expected that.

[bigbaba]

ORIGINAL: Ike99

i found the movie gettysburg much better then gods-&-generals.

What was the title of Gods and Generals in Germany bigbaba? Was it a direct translation or something else?

Sometimes with the English speaking movies here they change the titles to a completely different name than from the original English.

well, it was the original english title and thats good, because some film title translations sound involuntary funny in german.

[bigred]

"Gods and Generals" in german? ok what is the exact translation.

[bigbaba]

"götter und generäle" would be the german translation. i think the english version sounds better.

[Ike99]

5-10-42

Japanese move to occupy all of Guadalcanal and meet some receptionist.