Battle of the Pindos Bases - Love/Hate

[Deathtreader]

Hi all,

Just finished this scenario for the umpteenth time amd barely managed a marginal victory. I always play this one as the Italians & usually pull a draw or defeat. Supply seems to be king here & so I'm afraid I have to ask yet another supply mechanics related question. Sorry about that.........

Here goes: (Background)

1/ All 3 Axis SEP's are ground, wheeled movement class with one on a road and the other 2 on tracks.
2/ The division base is foot movement class, but initially only pulls from the single SEP#5 on the road. The pathing tools confirm that at it's initial positions (say Konitsa) it will never pull from Sep's #4 & #6 as all SEP's use wheeled movement for supply delivery. If you move it elsewhere (say Elevtheron) it no longer pulls from # 5 because again you apparently can't get there from here when wheeled, so to speak. It does however now pull from numbers 4 and 6 but traverses half the map each way due to massive wheeled terrain constrictions which takes a huge length of time each way.
3/ The only Axis cavalry regiment is also foot movement with it's base being wheeled.
4/ If you move the cavalry regiments wheeled base unit to sit on top of SEP#4 it still draws only from the divisional base way back in Konitsa as opposed to directly from SEP #4.

My question is WHY does a subordinate's base unit sitting on a SEP still have to draw from it's superior's base unit which can be 8 or more hours travel time away (in this scenario anyway)?? Why couldn't it pull directly from SEP#4 as the divisional base unit way way way back in Konitsa is only drawing from SEP#5 per the background above.

I understand that the divisional base receives it's supplies via wheeled movement and disseminates them by foot movement. In this case the cavalry regiment base then turns around and re-disseminates those supplies using wheeled movement and I'm ok with all of that. It makes sense and adds to the challenge. But couldn't the rules be tweaked in some fashion to to allow subordinate base units to draw directly from SEP's in circumstances like those above??
Sorry for the length of the post.........
Time to try the scenario again!! [:D]

Rob. [:)]

[Arjuna]

Rob,
 
The AllocateBasesToSEPs() does allow for subordinate Bases to draw directly from SEPs under certain conditions. First, the SEP has to be closer ( and in your case, that is so ). The SEP has to have sufficient capacity. There maybe other nearby Bases that are drawing from it and using up all its capacity. Check the Resupply tab to determine its capacity and turn supply lines on and select your other bases to see where they are drawing from.
 
Also remember that the allocation process only occurs each Resupply Determination Event. These occur at 0600 and 1800 each day. However, in some scenarios a side may be restricted to just the 1800 event. So you need to wait till after this event and then test to see where your Cav Regt Base draws from.

[06 Maestro]

Rob

I have played this one a few times myself. I recall having some difficulties with supply also, but overcame it.

This screen shot is of the ending positions of my (Italian) supply bases in Pindos. This particular game is the same one in which I got a decisive victory as the Italian side (vs the AI). Although I don't recall the exact reasoning for those positions, I don't move bases unless there is a good reason. What I can say with absolute certainty is that all of my line and support units were fully supplied at the end of this particular battle. The units in the south eat AO had fewer supplies on hand, but were still in no danger of shortages at all.
One clear advantage to having the bases closer to the drawing units is that fewer supply columns will suffer losses. Notice that the Julia base is not at the SEP, (the SEP was occupied by an arty BN). The regimental bases were another 10 to 16 km forward from the division base.

[Deathtreader]

Arjuna and 06 Maestro thanks to both of you for responding.........

I'm glad to hear that subordinate bases apparently do draw direct in some circumstances and that decisive Axis victories are achievable in this scenario.
In my case I guess the Axis C.O. is less than sterling and I should relieve myself of command
Well, they say practice make perfect so we'll see how I fare this time around [:D]

Thanks again guys.

Rob. [:)]

[06 Maestro]

Rob

In one respect, this scenario is among the most difficult; fog of war. .. I suppose it is due to the nature of the terrain. The Italians have it tough due to the Greeks just disappearing into the hills where they can reorganize and hit back-after your key units have moved out of the area. What I ended up doing in the early stages of the battle was to create picket lines in areas of likely enemy activity and do a thorough sweep. I try to have a machinegun company on hand, and always have some mortars or arty ready. The heavy weapons battalions are the biggest advantage the Italians have in this fight.

A couple of other things you can try to kick the Greeks butt is to use a southern approach to the exit point, and use company groupings (rather than solely Bn HQ and single units). This can help take a load off of the less than stellar Italian “on map boss”.

Happy hunting, and give me a holler if you want to try this one MP-I have not played this one against a biological commander yet.

[Arjuna]

ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro
I have not played this one against a biological commander yet.

That's a bold assumption. [;)]

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: Arjuna

ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro
I have not played this one against a biological commander yet.

That's a bold assumption. [;)]

LOL.

I recall that when CotA was new, I made the profound statement that this scenario was far too difficult for the Italain side. I also said it would be impossible for someone to defeat a human Greek player. A short time later, after trying the scenario from the Greek side, I corrected my earlier observation-the Greek side also has a very difficult mission.

I have gone full circle on this; the Italian side is too easy-just goes to show what a couple years of training will do for you...[;)] Next time around I will give the Greek AI (whoever that may be) some advantages in the starting options.