Technical question

[Jimmer]

Does anybody know what happens when a stack of corps from an enemy of one power enters an area where two powers are represented, and only one of them is at war with the first power?

e.g. France attacks into Magdeburg. There is a combined Austrian and Prussian stack there, but only the Prussians are at war with the French.

Answer twice:

Once for when the second force in the place is a loaned corps being used by the other. In the example above, either Prussia has a single Austrian corps on loan, or the Austrians have a single corps on loan from the Prussians.

The other answer should be when the two powers just happen to be in the same space.

Thanks.

[Marshall Ellis]

Jimmer:

1. Combat could still happen BUT France would only attack the Prussians (The Austrians would not show up in the combat).

2. The same would be true for the loaned corps. In order for a loaned corps to be able to fight then both the original owner of the corps AND the current owner of the corps would have to be at war with France.

That answer your questions?

[gwheelock]

Almost.  Now what happens if France is at war with the MP that loaned the corp (eg. Britain)
but not at war with the controlling MP (eg Austria is in enforced peace).  Would the British corp
fight alone?  And who would run it the original owner Britian or the CONTROLLING MP Austria
(who is not at war with France)?
 
 
 

[Jimmer]

I think that was answer number 1 in my list, Gwheelock. It has to fight.
 
What this really means is that when you loan out a corps, you have to be VERY careful about it. Only under the strictest of (unenforceable) conditions should this happen.
 
I guess the same thing could have happened under combined movement rules (the old way), but then you would be paying for your own supply, so you could just leave when you wanted to. But, if your ally gets deep in the weeds and another enemy shows up to clobber your corps solo, there's nothing you can do about it. You can't run, because then you would die foraging. You can't fight because there's no way one corps can beat an army.

[Thresh]

You can't fight because there's no way one corps can beat an army.

Depends on several factors, and is definately not written in stone.

Todd

[Soapy Frog]

Under the original rules, the power not at war would be required to declare war or displace out of the province, IIRC. I suppose this is not implemented?

[Marshall Ellis]

ORIGINAL: gwheelock

Almost.  Now what happens if France is at war with the MP that loaned the corp (eg. Britain)
but not at war with the controlling MP (eg Austria is in enforced peace).  Would the British corp
fight alone?  And who would run it the original owner Britian or the CONTROLLING MP Austria
(who is not at war with France)?

They have to be at war with BOTH MPs

[Marshall Ellis]

ORIGINAL: Soapy Frog

Under the original rules, the power not at war would be required to declare war or displace out of the province, IIRC. I suppose this is not implemented?

That is correct. We had to implement this way since this could create diplomatic changes (DOWs) in a land combat phase and that would have been a nightmare in PBEM!

[eske]

If there is corps in an area, where there is a battle, and that corps can't participate - isn't it required to retreat from that area ? (Towards closest supply source of controlling player?)
 
/eske

[gwheelock]

ORIGINAL: Thresh

You can't fight because there's no way one corps can beat an army.

Depends on several factors, and is definately not written in stone.

Todd

Actually France's #1 corp very well COULD fight (and beat) a small army.

[gwheelock]

ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

ORIGINAL: gwheelock

Almost.  Now what happens if France is at war with the MP that loaned the corp (eg. Britain)
but not at war with the controlling MP (eg Austria is in enforced peace).  Would the British corp
fight alone?  And who would run it the original owner Britian or the CONTROLLING MP Austria
(who is not at war with France)?

They have to be at war with BOTH MPs

So what happens when I move France's army into the spot occupied by an
Austrian army (at enforced peace) with a loaned British (at war) corp? Nothing?

What happens if they are still co-located and the corp becomes "un-loaned" the next
turn? You end up with 2 at-war nations in the same area.

[Thresh]

Well, Davout and his 3rd Corps did beat an entire Army...

[;)]

Todd

ORIGINAL: gwheelock

ORIGINAL: Thresh

You can't fight because there's no way one corps can beat an army.

Depends on several factors, and is definately not written in stone.

Todd

Actually France's #1 corp very well COULD fight (and beat) a small army.