Missing Submarines!

[Japan]

In real world Japan got the following German Submarines under its controll.
Note that the RO one thay Bought and used with Japanese Crews.

(To mantion some)
RO-500 September 1943
U-188 October 1943
U-168 November 1943
U-532 October 1943
U183 October 1943
U-510 1944


The ones starting with "U" was used with German Crew, some who stayed untill after Japan Capitulated.

Some went and comed as years passed, and some of them stayed for shorter periods, the ones Japan Bought
(think it was 3 or 5) got "RO" names, and of course stayed in permanent servise.


The German Submarines was of course both alot better, and had very skilled crews, something who one could think can have a significant effect if used corretly.

Will AE include this historicle assets ??? Maby add a system simuler to British Ship Withdrawl for those subs who went and comed from time to time....

[Terminus]

We know all of this, obviously. None of the captured German or Italian submarines were ever used operationally, so no, they're not in.

[Japan]

Well... not 100% correct ..



Here is my Sourse:

http://www.uboat.net/ops/monsun3.htm

http://www.uboataces.com/articles-fareast-boats4.shtml





RO-500   was Bought and used Opperationally...  Additionaly, sevral others Served in Pacific with German Crews   -
Thats  fully opperational if you ask me.


RO-500 and i think 1 or 2 others was the only thay bought and used with Jap crews...  

And, thay had sevral German Subs arriving and who actualy did serve for some time periods in the Pacific. 


So, one can not say that it was not German Subs used fully opperationall and in actual operations in the Pacific.  Most for shorter periods at the time, and with German crews - sure..  but some was also German Buildt and bought by Japan (like RO-500) and used in Pacific fully opperationall.

[Japan]

Sourse
 
This is the list of German Crewed Boats who ACTIVLY SERVED in the Pacific in different Operations.
You will ALSO faind information about the  boats Japan bought from Germany and who also served in ACTIVE duty in different opperations.
 
 
http://www.uboat.net/ops/monsun3.htm
 
http://www.uboataces.com/articles-fareast-boats4.shtml
 
 
 
 
[8D]
 
 

[zuikaku]

Seems that THEY are not going to include that subs in AE.
I think that's a pitty. these vessels are not some great assets that coul'd turn the zide of war,
but it woul'd be historically correct. I hope that THEY will eventually include them.
There vere also a 2 or 3 german raiders that operated in Indian ocean and South Pacific with great success.
they were based at Yokohama during the war. And ofcourse, tey are not included too...

[Terminus]

"Great success" is a great exaggeration.

Anyway, we're not including the German surface raiders and the Monsun group either, mainly because we decided not to include a German nationality in the game, so any of those ships and subs would be Japanese.

We had a list of 4-500 things we had to boil down to something like 65-70 things to put into the game, and a few German units were never going to get on there.

[zuikaku]

That's a shame... a few German units woul'd definitively add some flavour [:(]
Even if listed as Japanese units [8|]

[Japan]

ORIGINAL: zuikaku

That's a shame... a few German units woul'd definitively add some flavour [:(]
Even if listed as Japanese units [8|]

yep [8D]

[Nomad]

ORIGINAL: zuikaku

That's a shame... a few German units woul'd definitively add some flavour [:(]
Even if listed as Japanese units [8|]

Then use the editor and put them in. [8D]

[tocaff]

GEE!  Why didn't I think of that?  [;)]

[zuikaku]

All those subs that Japan listed in post above were handed over to Japan and were not under command of BdU.
And the raiders had some success, like Komet's bombardment of Nauru or Kormoran's engagement with HMAS Sydney.
Yes, both of these events were prior the December 7th 1941, but they show their value if skillfully used by player...
Ofcourse, we are not change anything with this post, aren't we?! [8|]
So, what is the AE's release date? [8D]

[LargeSlowTarget]

As zuikaku has pointed out, most activities of the German Raiders in the Pacific were prior to Dec 7, 41. However, raiders Thor and Michel operated in the Pacific and Indian Ocean after that date. Additionally, several German blockade runners (and Italian blockade runners as well), supply ships and prizes crossed the area (some being sunk by Allied forces).[/align]Thor arrived at Yokohama in October 42, but was destroyed when supply ship Uckermark (which had been used as a tanker on Japanese request) caught fire, exploded and wrecked nearby ships.[/align]Michel arrived at Yokohama in March 43 and left for a second cruise in May 43, operating on the west coast of Australia, the Indian Ocean and the South Atlantic and sinking three ships. Returning to Japan, she was sunk by submarine Tarpon 50 miles East of Yokohama on October 17, 1943.[/align] [/align]It would add flavor to have these ships in AE, and it will surely please the German WitP fans [;)].    [/align]

[m10bob]

Rather than continue to ask for possible inclusion, I would like to see the current AE released to the public.
One can either use the editor to create OOB alterations, or wait for patches.

My 2 cents.....

[PeteG662]

Ditto.....release and let modifications begin.

[Japan]

I agree in that, but adding them cant take those programmers long time [&:]... as you mantioned, the Editor is not to hard,  and it is NP if thay are added under Jap command / nationalety ... [8D]

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Japan

I agree in that, but adding them cant take those programmers long time [&:]... as you mantioned, the Editor is not to hard,  and it is NP if thay are added under Jap command / nationalety ... [8D]

Well......get your ticket punched in the orderly room.[;)]

[Terminus]

Just to restate something we've said many times already. There will be no more new things added to the game before release: no new ships, no new aircraft, no new features, nothing.

We're committed to beating all the new stuff we've added into submission and making a product that's ready to play, but the kitchen is closed.

[Dixie]

To add in German submarines, you'd also need to add in German devices.  Torpedoes, 105mm deck guns, 20mm and 37mm flak cannon would all have to be added.  Plus whatever electronics were fitted (I'm not sure what was fitted but it wasn't adavnced generally).

Then after all that someone would complain that '(insert your choice in here)' is underpowered/overpowered/not historical and demand that it be changed. [;)]  And if the subs were in they'd be Japanese, which would mean being able to put Kurita in charge of a sub fleet for example [X(][:D]

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Dixie

To add in German submarines, you'd also need to add in German devices.  Torpedoes, 105mm deck guns, 20mm and 37mm flak cannon would all have to be added.  Plus whatever electronics were fitted (I'm not sure what was fitted but it wasn't adavnced generally).

Then after all that someone would complain that '(insert your choice in here)' is underpowered/overpowered/not historical and demand that it be changed. [;)]  And if the subs were in they'd be Japanese, which would mean being able to put Kurita in charge of a sub fleet for example [X(][:D]

Basically...a mod in itself.....

[Terminus]

ORIGINAL: Dixie

To add in German submarines, you'd also need to add in German devices. Torpedoes, 105mm deck guns, 20mm and 37mm flak cannon would all have to be added. Plus whatever electronics were fitted (I'm not sure what was fitted but it wasn't adavnced generally).

Then after all that someone would complain that '(insert your choice in here)' is underpowered/overpowered/not historical and demand that it be changed. [;)] And if the subs were in they'd be Japanese, which would mean being able to put Kurita in charge of a sub fleet for example [X(][:D]

You say that like it's a bad thing...[:D]